How to Rework Starcraft II

[TheEconomist]

*Ragpalm*

[ragnarok]

It almost sounds like the first imminent signs of..Ragnarok

Yes but fortunately THAT event did not mean the end of all life forever...

[KaiserStratosTygo]

It's hard to explain, but the addition of cheap female characters in a desperate bid to provide "strong women" detracts from not only storytelling opportunities for non-PC characters, but forces the plot to go through all the generic stereotypes of its politically correct message. That is, it's PC to talk about tolerance, so LotV is all about tolerance and the attacking of any least sign of intolerance.

Pretty much this.

nobody can write female characters normally, it always has to be some weird appeasement over-corrective nonsense to appeal to SJWs (A futile endeavor indeed)

[Visions of Khas]

It's hard to explain, but the addition of cheap female characters in a desperate bid to provide "strong women" detracts from not only storytelling opportunities for non-PC characters, but forces the plot to go through all the generic stereotypes of its politically correct message. That is, it's PC to talk about tolerance, so LotV is all about tolerance and the attacking of any least sign of intolerance.

Rohana was one of the best things to come out of LotV, and not because she's a female; I didn't see a "desperate bid to provide a strong woman", just a strong and complex character. The messages of tolerance and unity are ongoing themes in StarCraft, they didn't simply pop out of the ether.

[ragnarok]

Rohana was one of the best things to come out of LotV, and not because she's a female; I didn't see a "desperate bid to provide a strong woman", just a strong and complex character. The messages of tolerance and unity are ongoing themes in StarCraft, they didn't simply pop out of the ether.

Yes but there are also those who got critical of her because of her unwillingness to sever herself from the Khala. There are commentaries in the LPs that've said that the whole being stuck in the past is exactly what's helping Amon in the first place.

[Visions of Khas]

Yes but there are also those who got critical of her because of her unwillingness to sever herself from the Khala. There are commentaries in the LPs that've said that the whole being stuck in the past is exactly what's helping Amon in the first place.

And what of Aldaris? He too was chained to the past, but in the end came to terms with his bigotry and came to appreciate the Dark Templar, if not like them.

Rohana just walked from one era of history and into another. The Khala is all she knows. So it was realistic for her to cling to it. Don't tell me that you'd adapt just like that if you were sent to 1700s America. Besides, her dedication, coupled with her ability to embrace a new destiny, is what led to Amon's downfall.

[Turalyon]

It's hard to explain, but the addition of cheap female characters in a desperate bid to provide "strong women" detracts from not only storytelling opportunities for non-PC characters, but forces the plot to go through all the generic stereotypes of its politically correct message. That is, it's PC to talk about tolerance, so LotV is all about tolerance and the attacking of any least sign of intolerance.

In this particular instance, I'm not sure if the issue is really is about the addition of cheap female characters (and consequences of that) but rather that it's about cheap characters in general (which Sc2 is chock full of). To me, that some of them happen to be female is inconsequential really.

For instance, Vorazun and Rohana in LotV could well have been male for all I care and my opinion of them as characters still won't change just because they happen to be female and that they weren't done as proper female characters (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean). Anyhow, the character archetypes that Vorazun and Rohana represent are of individuals in positions of great power (leader of Nerazim and grand preserver) such that, in this particular type of narrative, those roles they play would supersede the "requirement" to have them first as "proper female characters".

[ragnarok]

And what of Aldaris? He too was chained to the past, but in the end came to terms with his bigotry and came to appreciate the Dark Templar, if not like them.

Rohana just walked from one era of history and into another. The Khala is all she knows. So it was realistic for her to cling to it. Don't tell me that you'd adapt just like that if you were sent to 1700s America. Besides, her dedication, coupled with her ability to embrace a new destiny, is what led to Amon's downfall.

I'm not really sure about that part with Aldaris. Even if that was the case, the former Conclave members certain didn't adjust. If you look at Nahaan in the DT Saga Twilight, I'm sure you'd see.

[Nissa]

In this particular instance, I'm not sure if the issue is really is about the addition of cheap female characters (and consequences of that) but rather that it's about cheap characters in general (which Sc2 is chock full of). To me, that some of them happen to be female is inconsequential really.

For instance, Vorazun and Rohana in LotV could well have been male for all I care and my opinion of them as characters still won't change just because they happen to be female and that they weren't done as proper female characters (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean). Anyhow, the character archetypes that Vorazun and Rohana represent are of individuals in positions of great power (leader of Nerazim and grand preserver) such that, in this particular type of narrative, those roles they play would supersede the "requirement" to have them first as "proper female characters".

Well, I say female because that's the problem. Female characters in modern stories, not just Starcraft, "have" to be "strong" -- that is, they are forced to be boring in every appearance. Male characters have not reached that state. They still get to be unique and interesting. Most women characters, despite being "strong", are still stuck in the mode of being "the female character." Since there's so many female characters and none of them rise above "the female character", I'm super bored by the whole exercise.

Pfft. Rohana was stale as an old bagel. When I think of how epic Aldaris' dialogue was, I can't even stand to look at her cutscenes.

That, and as a fan of male demographics, I prefer male characters. Male psychology is interesting to me, and since the PC police will never allow the negative aspects of female psychology to be properly displayed, most mainstream American female characters will never appeal to me. Honestly, if Hollywood would do female characters the way Azumanga Daioh does, that is, varied and flawed, I might care again.

[Turalyon]

Well, I say female because that's the problem.

Yeah well, I'm asking is it really the problem in Sc2 specifically? I don't think it is. Like I said, most of the ancillary characters in Sc2 are cheap, broad archetypes regardless of their sex.

Female characters in modern stories, not just Starcraft, "have" to be "strong" -- that is, they are forced to be boring in every appearance. Male characters have not reached that state.

This is debatable. I could just as easily swap male and female in that quote above and none will be the wiser.

Pfft. Rohana was stale as an old bagel. When I think of how epic Aldaris' dialogue was, I can't even stand to look at her cutscenes.

I can accept that but this is an indictment of the character that is depicted as "Rohana", not really an indictment of the character being presented/misrepresented of a particular sex though. For me, the issue is that the character is just a "hat" irrespective of the sex of who is wearing it.