Short Story: It Will End in Fire

[drakolobo]

it is obvious that the activation of the colossi was made, but by that time all the infrastructure was turned off and the signal never came to the chambers of the colossi in Aiur, but in my opinion it appears that the signal was only sent, after the fall of Aiur. as if the Protoss rethink check in their past searching that went wrong, and resumed they found this prohibited bringing it to life again.

we remember that the conclave died before starting the evacuation, so the arcships project is lost with the conclave. the conclave in the midst of civil war and Zerg invasion, even considered a controlled threat, means that the destruction of the conclave was a sudden event, which showed that underestimated the zerg. Now in the short history states that the purpose arcships was not to fight a war its purpose was an escape from extinction, go in the opposite direction to the threat, the last hope. why the sudden beheading of the conclave took information about arcship off
*Now the fall of Aiur even be a strong blow, I do not represent the extinction of the Protoss, they still have hundreds of colonies, the corruption of khala however gets closer combines threat that can actually lead to the extinction of the protoss so its use is more justified now

[ragnarok]

Nah, that excuse just doesn't cut it for me. I refuse to believe the Conclave are that obviously stupid because that'd be very damning to the Protoss in general for putting up with them and/or supporting them all this time.

More like the Khalai couldn't see an alternative. A lot of dictatorships in the past have retained their power for so long due to that reason (certainly it's not the only reason, but still)

This is precisely the time to tap into resources of the Arkship and yet...

Right you are, but the Conclave always had problems swallowing its pride. They continued to believe they'd win. Even after Tassadar's actions in killing the Overmind, Aldaris was still not quite convinced they had to evacuate Aiur.

Can't be that hard. Zeratul just stumbled into some Colossi in a lake on Aiur and they woke-up just by his mere presence.

If we're to use a lore POV for this, then perhaps the Colossi WERE activated, but the orders were only given to get to the proximity of the Overmind and await further orders. Since the Protoss left Aiur, those orders were never given out.

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it is obvious that the activation of the colossi was made, but by that time all the infrastructure was turned off and the signal never came to the chambers of the colossi in Aiur, but in my opinion it appears that the signal was only sent, after the fall of Aiur. as if the Protoss rethink check in their past searching that went wrong, and resumed they found this prohibited bringing it to life again.

Not all the infrastructure were turned off. Remember, at the Nexus near the Overmind's corpse, Zeratul specifically said the beacon still had power. The problem however is that it required a person to hit the activation switch, and THAT would then trigger the Colossi to come into the fray. But since the protoss evacuated the planet, there was no one to hit the switch

[Turalyon]

How do we know the conclave didn't attempt to activate a bunch of these weapons?
Perhaps that's the reason why zeratual was able to so easily call up the colossi.

That ain't a bad reason. Pity it's left for us to fanon it. All we're actually left with in WoL is a Protoss who hadn't stepped foot on Aiur in centuries who happens to not only stumble onto some ancient and powerful weapons that were better than their current weaponry but are in a place where any other Protoss could've found them (some abandoned Protoss outpost) and that conveniently turn on and just work like a charm forevermore. *Shoulder shrug*

As for the Ark ship, it's possible that the conclave didn't think it was necessary yet.

Aldaris wouldn't have left all if he had this "ace up his sleeve". Yet he did despite his own misgivings. This indicates that he thinks Aiur is pretty much a lost cause at this point. In retrospect, the Arkships existence complicates this since if Aldaris felt it bad enough to leave Aiur (as he does), that should have been the time to activate the Arkship.

Now in the short history states that the purpose arcships was not to fight a war its purpose was an escape from extinction, go in the opposite direction to the threat, the last hope.

And yet LotV has commanding an Arkship to fight a war against Amon. Is that considered a plot twist?

More like the Khalai couldn't see an alternative. A lot of dictatorships in the past have retained their power for so long due to that reason (certainly it's not the only reason, but still)

Geh, I don't like seeing the Protoss Conclave as a dictatorship. It's too simple a rendering for aliens that all share through a communal link. The Conclave and Aldaris sure are bigots but not unjustified or idiotic bigots. They literally fear the Dark Templar (in a more metaphorical way, they actually fear themselves) more than the Zerg because of their history. The Dark Templar represent to them the near extinction of their own race by their own hands (Aeon of Strife) and that their subsequent lack of absence in the communal link by choice must mean they are there to cause harm to those who part of the Khala.

Right you are, but the Conclave always had problems swallowing its pride. They continued to believe they'd win. Even after Tassadar's actions in killing the Overmind, Aldaris was still not quite convinced they had to evacuate Aiur.

They obviously weren't winning and knew it when BW starts (which in itself is a slight shifting of the goalpost in terms of their victory at Sc1's end). Aldaris wouldn't have gone with Zeratul to Shakuras at all if he had access to the resources of the Arkship still available to him.

[Visions of Khas]

Aldaris wouldn't have left all if he had this "ace up his sleeve". Yet he did despite his own misgivings. This indicates that he thinks Aiur is pretty much a lost cause at this point. In retrospect, the Arkships existence complicates this since if Aldaris felt it bad enough to leave Aiur (as he does), that should have been the time to activate the Arkship.

It's also possible the knowledge of the Arkships died with the Conclave, and Aldaris simply did not know about them.

[Turalyon]

^ So you're telling me no other Protoss except for the Conclave knew about 3 ships, each of which are tens of kilometers in size, were built and buried on Aiur? Oh what the heck, this is Sc2 logic, of course it makes sense!

[Robear]

Yeah, I like the ideas in this discussion, but people must have known about them. Since Adun was there when they were built, and Adun was also there to shield the DTs, as was a young Raszagal, and Raszagal was still around by the time of the Zerg invasion... There should have been plenty of Protoss around whose grandparents* worked on building the arkships. And since they took so many resources, and were used publicly to ferry colonists around, it seems like pretty much everyone in the empire of that generation when they were being built would have known about them, and someone would have mentioned them to their kid.


*It's possible Protoss generations are so spaced out that grandparents and grandchildren don't meet, but, still, a grandparent mentions them to a parent, who mentions them to the kid. :P

[drakolobo]

They obviously weren't winning and knew it when BW starts (which in itself is a slight shifting of the goalpost in terms of their victory at Sc1's end). Aldaris wouldn't have gone with Zeratul to Shakuras at all if he had access to the resources of the Arkship still available to him


Aldaris wouldn't have left all if he had this "ace up his sleeve". Yet he did despite his own misgivings. This indicates that he thinks Aiur is pretty much a lost cause at this point. In retrospect, the Arkships existence complicates this since if Aldaris felt it bad enough to leave Aiur (as he does), that should have been the time to activate the Arkship.

maybe it could be that at the point where everything is declining access to arcships is no longer viable, because access to the areas where they are located were heavily infested by the Zerg and their access was not possible without a strong military action as the future invasion of Aiur, so was be massacred by the Zerg, or was go to teletransportation portal, which is closer

And yet LotV has commanding an Arkship to fight a war against Amon. Is that considered a plot twist?

ja is not a plot twist, this only means that Rohana was right about the proud nature of the Templars, I guess waiting to wake up and find a representative conclave commanding, in fact it is obvious that Rohana and Artanis, will have friction, but possibly would explain there is no safe place, and / or manifest a plan to kill Amon, even the unlikely success

Geh, I don't like seeing the Protoss Conclave as a dictatorship. It's too simple a rendering for aliens that all share through a communal link. The Conclave and Aldaris sure are bigots but not unjustified or idiotic bigots. They literally fear the Dark Templar (in a more metaphorical way, they actually fear themselves) more than the Zerg because of their history. The Dark Templar represent to them the near extinction of their own race by their own hands (Aeon of Strife) and that their subsequent lack of absence in the communal link by choice must mean they are there to cause harm to those who part of the Khala.

I agree

Yeah, I like the ideas in this discussion, but people must have known about them. Since Adun was there when they were built, and Adun was also there to shield the DTs, as was a young Raszagal, and Raszagal was still around by the time of the Zerg invasion... There should have been plenty of Protoss around whose grandparents* worked on building the arkships. And since they took so many resources, and were used publicly to ferry colonists around, it seems like pretty much everyone in the empire of that generation when they were being built would have known about them, and someone would have mentioned them to their kid.


*It's possible Protoss generations are so spaced out that grandparents and grandchildren don't meet, but, still, a grandparent mentions them to a parent, who mentions them to the kid. :P

good points, but the nature of, no consideration is not ignorance of the existence of arcships, but a bureaucratic issue, the beheading of the conclave leave similar to the handling of nuclear weapons situation (relevance) if the high command disappear.
* the Judicator caste, was administrator of resources, service and information, so that although the existence of arcships was public all the details of its purpose, the definition of protocols and conditions to activate it, it was the responsibility of this caste. between activation protocols, one might be that the archsips authorization should be requested by the conclave that at this point in history, were destroyed. and the point where it became obvious to someone that should active it, the plan was not viable because the Zerg was already heavily settled around the location of the arcships

[ragnarok]

It's also possible the knowledge of the Arkships died with the Conclave, and Aldaris simply did not know about them.

You'd think by the last SC1 mission, they WOULD have told Aldaris, since by then they DID acknowledge their error.

[Turalyon]

Yeah, I like the ideas in this discussion, but people must have known about them. Since Adun was there when they were built, and Adun was also there to shield the DTs, as was a young Raszagal, and Raszagal was still around by the time of the Zerg invasion... There should have been plenty of Protoss around whose grandparents* worked on building the arkships. And since they took so many resources, and were used publicly to ferry colonists around, it seems like pretty much everyone in the empire of that generation when they were being built would have known about them, and someone would have mentioned them to their kid.


*It's possible Protoss generations are so spaced out that grandparents and grandchildren don't meet, but, still, a grandparent mentions them to a parent, who mentions them to the kid. :P

Also, don't forget that the Protoss can also commune with the dead through the Preservers and the Khala. It's quite unfathomable that no-one has mentioned them up until now.

maybe it could be that at the point where everything is declining access to arcships is no longer viable, because access to the areas where they are located were heavily infested by the Zerg and their access was not possible without a strong military action as the future invasion of Aiur, so was be massacred by the Zerg, or was go to teletransportation portal, which is closer

The arkships are supposed to help when things are declining - so that's not really an acceptable reason for why they're not even considered at all at any point (let alone be used) prior to Sc2. I don't believe access would be difficult, the ships are tens of kilometres in size - it can't be that hard to find an access point somewhere. At this point, we're making up the excuses and doing the backpedalling that Blizz should be doing for us.

ja is not a plot twist

Oh, that was a rhetorical question. I was just joking about the irony of the Arkship being ultimately designed to help the Protoss comeback from a near extinction-level event not to fight an extinction-level event and yet LotV has us doing the latter.

good points, but the nature of, no consideration is not ignorance of the existence of arcships, but a bureaucratic issue, the beheading of the conclave leave similar to the handling of nuclear weapons situation (relevance) if the high command disappear.
* the Judicator caste, was administrator of resources, service and information, so that although the existence of public arcships out the details of its purpose and the definition of protocols and conditions to activate it, it was the responsibility of this caste. between activation protocols, one might be that the archsips authorization should be requested by the conclave that at this point in history, were destroyed. and the point where it became obvious to someone that should active it, the plan was not viable because the Zerg was already heavily settled around the location of the arcships

Not so sure about all this. This puts a lot of the onus of the Protoss' ultimate survival in the hands of the Conclave and only them. If it's that easy to prevent the Arkship from fulfilling its purpose (by removing the Conclaves ability to activate them), it kinda of defeats the purpose of the Arkship - which is to help in those situations where nothing else could do. Really then, the Arkship should've actually activated autonomously when the Conclave bit the dust.

[ragnarok]

Not so sure about all this. This puts a lot of the onus of the Protoss' ultimate survival in the hands of the Conclave and only them. If it's that easy to prevent the Arkship from fulfilling its purpose (by removing the Conclaves ability to activate them), it kinda of defeats the purpose of the Arkship - which is to help in those situations where nothing else could do. Really then, the Arkship should've actually activated autonomously when the Conclave bit the dust.

Assuming there were more people who knew how to activate the arkship. Really at this point we just don't know who on Aiur knew of these arkships by the time Tassadar killed the Overmind.