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[TheEconomist]

Oh poor Rag

[Turalyon]

I don't think you're getting it. The fact that she said they would face many battles together implied she integrated herself more into the swarm to become like them. Though this is more due to the lack of choices left to her.

I'm not getting it? Can you be so sure yourself? You've just self-refuted the only evidence you have in this very reply.

Oh poor Rag

Gotta give him some points for being the unwitting comedian though, I got a big laugh out of his reply.

[ragnarok]

I'm not getting it? Can you be so sure yourself? You've just self-refuted the only evidence you have in this very reply.

The lack of choices is exactly why she was forced to do what she did. She should have recognized this right after Zerus, though she might have been hoping for something else (though I can't see what).

[Turalyon]

The lack of choices is exactly why she was forced to do what she did.

...which is why this is not proof that Kerrigan meaningfully sympathises, identifies or empathises with the Zerg at any level or any degree.

As I said twice before.... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

[ragnarok]

...which is why this is not proof that Kerrigan meaningfully sympathises, identifies or empathises with the Zerg at any level or any degree.

As I said twice before.... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

For MOST of HotS I agree with you. But near the end of HotS, Izsha asked that once her revenge is done, would she leave them. She said no. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that was merely her stage acting.

[Turalyon]

would she leave them. She said no.

Did she ever extrapolate on the reason behind her reply of "no"? That reason could be literally anything, including that she just wants to continue using them as expendable tools as she does in HotS - which means she don't give a crap about them. You've admitted that maybe it's because she's just forced to stay with them. This does not mean she truly sympathises with the Zerg; the very specific thing I was asking you to provide evidence for.

What you are really giving me is conjecture/your own spin on it, so therefore I have to conclude that it (Kerrigan having any true sympathy for the Zerg) doesn't actually happen at all.

[ragnarok]

Did she ever extrapolate on the reason behind her reply of "no"? That reason could be literally anything, including that she just wants to continue using them as expendable tools as she does in HotS - which means she don't give a crap about them. You've admitted that maybe it's because she's just forced to stay with them. This does not mean she truly sympathises with the Zerg; the very specific thing I was asking you to provide evidence for.

What you are really giving me is conjecture/your own spin on it, so therefore I have to conclude that it (Kerrigan having any true sympathy for the Zerg) doesn't actually happen at all.

Of course there's multiple reasons. But the fact remains she DID say she would not leave them behind. She HAS seen the swarm in a different light compared to others (though overall it's not really TOO much different, she knows there's no way anyone else would see this view).

You're right in that we don't know the reason behind it. You said she still saw them as expendable tools. If that's true she wouldn't have bothered trying to rally them in the prologue mission in attacking Moebius. In that sense there is a sense of caring, though I'm sure it can be argued she cannot see them COMPLETELY expendable.

[The_Blade]

I believe that Kerrigan's integration with the Swarm is somewhat implied, but I have to agree with Turalyon. There is no dialogue or arc that explicitly connects the Swarm to Kerrigan in a sentimental way.

After her ascension on Zerus there's this dialogue with Izsha:

Izsha: You radiate so much power. More than the old Queen of Blades ever did.

Kerrigan: Everything is different. I could always hear the Swarm. Control it. But now... I feel the Swarm. Now, I am the Swarm.

Even then, it is a dialogue on the theme of "power".

When she speaks to Zagara about vision, it is difficult to tell if she is guiding a child or training a dog. Unlike Abathur, Zagara does not has her own sentience. Which makes all the subject a lot harder.

My conclusion would be that there's still no verdict on what the Zerg are to Kerrigan at the end of HotS, when inspected on a vacum. However, there's always this Blizzard development (3:08):



If this evidence is valid, then yes she loves the Swarm. Maybe at first like an extension of herself, but eventually as "her people". IMO, it would be the only way she would ever find peace.

[Turalyon]

But the fact remains she DID say she would not leave them behind.

So what? The reason for her saying this could just as well be for her to use the Swarm against Amon because if she doesn't, he will kill her. There is nothing there that implies she sympathises with the Zerg ideology unless you're wishing it there to be in the first place.

She HAS seen the swarm in a different light compared to others (though overall it's not really TOO much different, she knows there's no way anyone else would see this view).

This is vague and non-specific. She could be marvelling at the power the Primal Zerg has given her in contrast to her previous infestation for all we know. Like the above, it could be any other myriad reason some other person can concoct on a whim to support their notions really. So, unless one is inclined to think Kerrigan sympathises with Zerg ideology (which is the source of your bias), there actually isn't any concrete evidence that she does indeed sympathise with Zerg ideology.

If that's true she wouldn't have bothered trying to rally them in the prologue mission in attacking Moebius. In that sense there is a sense of caring, though I'm sure it can be argued she cannot see them COMPLETELY expendable.

I have no idea how that reference you provided is relevent. She is attacking Moebius because they are Amon's agents and in her way to ultimately kill Amon - there is nothing there that implies she is in love with the Zerg and their ideology

My conclusion would be that there's still no verdict on what the Zerg are to Kerrigan at the end of HotS, when inspected on a vacum.

Hallelujah! Now we're getting somewhere! Because we don't really know, all we have is the implications of what has already happened so far. In BW, she uses them for own selfish desires and vindictiveness. Then in HotS, she still seems to be doing it for selfish desires, albeit a slightly different selfish desire than in BW and with maybe less vindictiveness (the difference is academic really). Therefore, the conclusion that she sympathises only with her own agenda is stronger than the conclusion that she sympathises with Zerg ideology (which there is no concrete evidence of whatsoever).

If this evidence is valid, then yes she loves the Swarm. Maybe at first like an extension of herself, but eventually as "her people". IMO, it would be the only way she would ever find peace.

I really don't mind this development... if it were actually in HotS.

It's funny because before HotS even came out, I suggested that HotS story would be unique and different from before if Kerrigan somehow identified with the Zerg following her de-infestation in WoL. In the HotS version I purported/envisioned at the time, she would make this realisation after having killed Mengsk early on by realising that she is still a monster on the inside (in that she is not really different from Mengsk and that she's still willing to kill under any pretense) despite being made human again and then decides she might as well look like and become the monster she realises she's always been by giving herself to the Zerg and their cause. Then the rest of my HotS would have her trying to battle Amon and his Hybrids with the possible implication that she's doing this because there can be only one big bad monster and she intends to be it. Dark stuff for sure but it would've been interesting since there'd be a mix of tragedy (due to her being a broken individual, having justified angst but ultimately being unable to shake it off) and empowerment (in that she's becoming self-actualised by embracing her darkness and realising her identity is only complete when she was infested) in Kerrigan making this choice to join the Zerg again. It's better than the typical "for REVENNGGGGEE!!!!" reason we got in the HotS that eventually came out.

[ragnarok]

However, there's always this Blizzard development (3:08):



If this evidence is valid, then yes she loves the Swarm. Maybe at first like an extension of herself, but eventually as "her people". IMO, it would be the only way she would ever find peace.

Problem is as I remember Blizzard always said such things aren't considered canon