New Prelude Comic

[ragnarok]

I agree with the sentiment. She acts in a very stupid way, constantly. And she acts this way because she constantly feels better than everyone else, specially when becoming more powerful through *plot device*.

Except power is a paradox. I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately what will end up killing her is due to a lack of understand that you can only have so much power before that power ultimately consumes you and end up killing you. NO ONE can hold limitless power.

This is true. Not a problem but a character's way to be. On top of that, she trusts no one.

Her being a "hero" probably roots out of the production mistakes of HotS, but she was still intended to be an anti-hero. For basic entertainment, anti-heroes are also made likable for the audience (specially when the story comes from their POV).

Honestly, that there's a division between people in favor or against Kerrigan's character proves she was wrote well. There's enough doubt in there to question her as a character and polarize her role as shades of grey rather than black or white. Again, wanting her dead at this point is still a moral judgment.

I do not agree with her being the galactic savior or her idiotic decisions, but she is not a flawed character. At the most, she is the character you hate or love in the story.

The lack of trust is understandable because of all the betrayals she went though. Even if the events of HotS never happened, it would have taken Raynor years before he could get Kerrigan to open up to others.

Wanting her dead at this point isn't just a moral judgement, it's a matter of survival.

For the Protoss, even if their honor code prevents them from seeking revenge, Kerrigan's death is the only way to ensure their safety.

For the whole galactic savior, I doubt that very much. She doesn't know anything about what Amon is capable of, and sending the swarm in blind is pointless. This is EXACTLY what Zeratul was trying to tell her in the prologue, but she wouldn't listen.

[Turalyon]

She kills for both reasons at the same time. Primal infused Zerg are "different". Therefore, there should be a distinction between the will of the Overmind in Vanilla and the will of the new Swarm at the end of HotS. Amon's directive is no longer a priority, but the Zerg are no less slaves of their leaders. Whoever is in charge of the Swarm IS the will of the Swarm.

I somewhat disagree. Kerrigan in HotS is similar to Kerrigan in BW in that she's using the Zerg purely as a means to an end, not because she's really enamoured with the Zerg ideology/ethos nor does she seem to want to promote their dominance for their benefit specifically. Afterall, she doesn't really care much for the various Zerg characters she meets and speaks down to all of them.

The Primal Zerg, being merely a plot device of convenience than anything else, don't rely factor into this. She is reinfesting herself not to help the Zerg put to gain power for herself to fight Mengsk (Amon was only an afterthought). She could care less if the Zerg are under Amon's directive or not and if she did, she never expresses any real concern about it.

Killing Mengsk allows her to be free of at least a fraction of her personal agenda. Indirectly it serves the Swarm.

This I agree on. However, it's a fine line to say that this indirect serving of the Swarm is actually what Kerrigan intends to do (that she is doing this to directly serve and benefit the Swarm).

Every character has a personal motivation to move the story in certain directions. Of them who are selfish, there's a range from evil to good. This is fine.

Yeah, I've got no problems with that. I'm talking about the authorial intrusion being made obvious and overtaking the character's personal motivation/direction in the story leading to disconnect. Kerrigan is fine doing selfish things, but it shouldn't be gussied up as being ultimately good when it clearly is not.

Honestly, that there's a division between people in favor or against Kerrigan's character proves she was wrote well. There's enough doubt in there to question her as a character and polarize her role as shades of grey rather than black or white.

Her character is pretty clear, it's just the authorial intent for her character that is not. It muddies things quite a lot.

[ragnarok]

I somewhat disagree. Kerrigan in HotS is similar to Kerrigan in BW in that she's using the Zerg purely as a means to an end, not because she's really enamoured with the Zerg ideology/ethos nor does she seem to want to promote their dominance for their benefit specifically. Afterall, she doesn't really care much for the various Zerg characters she meets and speaks down to all of them.

The Primal Zerg, being merely a plot device of convenience than anything else, don't rely factor into this. She is reinfesting herself not to help the Zerg put to gain power for herself to fight Mengsk (Amon was only an afterthought). She could care less if the Zerg are under Amon's directive or not and if she did, she never expresses any real concern about it.

Yes but as the game went on, you can see she began to look at the swarm in a different light. The problem however is that she knows no one else will see it that way.

[Turalyon]

Yes but as the game went on, you can see she began to look at the swarm in a different light.

Please enlighten me to where in HotS this actually happens.

[ragnarok]

Please enlighten me to where in HotS this actually happens.

It's over the course of the game, you can see her tone begins to change towards the swarm and everything. Granted right before the last mission she DID admit to Abathur she merely used the swarm as a tool, but she also did tell Izsha that once the war with Mengsk ends they still have other battles to face together.

It's not like there's a way back to humanity for her anymore, so even if she survives the war against Amon she has little choice but to stay with the swarm, so it's better to see them differently.

[TheEconomist]

What if I believe there's a better approach towards life conservation through the swarm than through civilizations grasping apocalyptic technology?

I recently read one of the greatest science fiction novels I've ever encountered that dealt with this topic. VoK and I mentioned it in the "Reading" topic in the off-topic forum. The book is is called Blindsight and its by Peter watts. I highly recommend you read it if you ever get the chance. It's written by a marine biologist who raise a lot of good points about the ultimately self-destructive tendency of intelligence vs less intelligent but intelligent designed.

That being said, the problem with conservation of life through the swarm is that it's ultimately pointless as most of the Zerg ultimately lack sentience, in my opinion. The greater efficiency of less intelligent organisms to work, in the end, for better self-preservation, is also apparent within animals, not just in humans vs animals. But, if life had stayed at microbial level, or even at the insectoid level, what's the point?

[Turalyon]

It's over the course of the game, you can see her tone begins to change towards the swarm and everything. Granted right before the last mission she DID admit to Abathur she merely used the swarm as a tool, but she also did tell Izsha that once the war with Mengsk ends they still have other battles to face together.

So... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

You said it (Kerrigan identifying herself with the Zerg and working for/with them rather than just using them as tools for her own ends) happens "during the game" and I asked "where in the game?" and you respond with "it's during the game". Can you see the problem there? I'm not asking for your conjecture here.

[ragnarok]

So... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

You said it (Kerrigan identifying herself with the Zerg and working for/with them rather than just using them as tools for her own ends) happens "during the game" and I asked "where in the game?" and you respond with "it's during the game". Can you see the problem there? I'm not asking for your conjecture here.

It's not at a SPECIFIC part in the game. The most you can see it would be near the end, right before the last HotS mission (or right after the 2nd to last HotS mission), where she was explaining to Izsha that once the war with Mengsk ends, they'll still have plenty of battles to face together.

[Turalyon]

It's not at a SPECIFIC part in the game. The most you can see it would be near the end...

So... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

Glad we got that cleared up.

[ragnarok]

So... in other words, it doesn't actually happen at all.

Glad we got that cleared up.

I don't think you're getting it. The fact that she said they would face many battles together implied she integrated herself more into the swarm to become like them. Though this is more due to the lack of choices left to her.