Purifier Origins

[ragnarok]

I guess that depends on how Rohana is able to resist Amon's corruption. Though it would be interesting if these Corrupted Echos did slip into the Purifiers and turned on the Protoss towards the end.

The way I saw it, it could be a little bit like what we saw in "A Sinister Turn", when Maar corrupted the Zhakul Guardians. Remember, he wasn't able to do that to the preservers.

It's possible that what Maar did was on a much smaller scale of what Amon will be able to do in LotV, that's why Maar's actions was only able to affect Zhakul, and not ALL of the Khalai Protoss. It proves the whole Khala corruption concept is imperfect.

[Turalyon]

To be fair, a Purifier Fenix would only be an echo of the original, echos of his thoughts resounding through the Khala.

I guess we can chalk up any unusual characterisation then as it being an imperfect copy or something. Still sounds kinda lame but at least it's a better out compared to the other resurrected Sc2 characters (which amounted to them never actually dying at all it seemed ) I suppose.

[drakolobo]

I guess we can chalk up any unusual characterisation then as it being an imperfect copy or something. Still sounds kinda lame but at least it's a better out compared to the other resurrected Sc2 characters (which amounted to them never actually dying at all it seemed ) I suppose.

has always seemed exaggerated reaction to the "resurrection" of Tassadar, from manual it was noted that part of the Protoss survive in the khala as disorganized memories, the only difference is that Tassadar has maintained his consciousness unbroken, possible effect to use the two types of khala / void energies as a twilight protoss.

[Turalyon]

has always seemed exaggerated reaction to the "resurrection" of Tassadar, from manual it was noted that part of the Protoss survive in the khala as disorganized memories, the only difference is that Tassadar has maintained his consciousness unbroken, possible effect to use the two types of khala / void energies as a twilight protoss.

The problem isn't only that they come back/resurrect at all but how poor handling and representation of this comeback just compounds the problem. For example, Tassadar's comeback is only given the most cursory of reasons but worse it seems to be purely in the service of plot (verified later by the writers because they wanted someone that Zeratul would just implicitly trust when Tassadar reeled off his exposition). It's mechanical, pointless and cheapens his character even more. The Overmind's treatment in WOL is in the same league - this hurt more for me since I'm a Zerg fan since I do want the Overmind back, but never in a contrived way like this!

The same concern arises with the potential of a "purifier Fenix". It just seems to be fanservice for the sake of fanservice since I can't really see the point of having his character revisited. Case in point is with Infested Stukov's cameo in HotS which was utterly pointless. I still don't know why he just happened to be there....

[ragnarok]

The same concern arises with the potential of a "purifier Fenix". It just seems to be fanservice for the sake of fanservice since I can't really see the point of having his character revisited. Case in point is with Infested Stukov's cameo in HotS which was utterly pointless. I still don't know why he just happened to be there....

With Stukov's case, it's because Blizzard was trying to show they didn't COMPLETELY forget about the BW. Unfortunately that was a pitiful attempt, since Stukov was not revived and infested by Kaloth until AFTER the BW. BW alone only showed he was killed.

It would have been better to bring mentions of Raszagal back.

In Fenix's case, it's little different since the community feels Blizzard is being way too negligent on the matter. His death was an important part in the BW, and the way SC2 went acted like the events of BW never happened.

[Turalyon]

With Stukov's case, it's because Blizzard was trying to show they didn't COMPLETELY forget about the BW.

In Fenix's case, it's little different since the community feels Blizzard is being way too negligent on the matter. His death was an important part in the BW, and the way SC2 went acted like the events of BW never happened.

So, in comparison to Stukov in HotS, adding in Fenix in LotV is Blizz somehow not showing us they didn't completely forgot about BW?

We don't actually need a literal reference, namecheck (like in HotS) or embodiment of Fenix as long as his death had some sort of ongoing effect on someone - which in this case was supposed to be Raynor (the out-of-context, sudden about-face rant that Raynor gives to Kerrigan after having been rescued by her on the Moros makes no sense. Would've been more believable if he was just angry at her for choosing to look ugly again ). That's were the real beef lies when people talk about Fenix's "exclusion" in Sc2. It's not about wanting him to physically comeback but an issue regarding continuity. Really, there is no real reason for him to comeback beyond either being a cameo for cameo sake or as plot device, either of which is painfully transparent and contrived. Course, if it did happen, at least Sc2 will be consistently contrived... if one can take that as a good thing that is.

[ragnarok]

So, in comparison to Stukov in HotS, adding in Fenix in LotV is Blizz somehow not showing us they didn't completely forgot about BW?

We don't actually need a literal reference, namecheck (like in HotS) or embodiment of Fenix as long as his death had some sort of ongoing effect on someone - which in this case was supposed to be Raynor (the out-of-context, sudden about-face rant that Raynor gives to Kerrigan after having been rescued by her on the Moros makes no sense. Would've been more believable if he was just angry at her for choosing to look ugly again ). That's were the real beef lies when people talk about Fenix's "exclusion" in Sc2. It's not about wanting him to physically comeback but an issue regarding continuity. Really, there is no real reason for him to comeback beyond either being a cameo for cameo sake or as plot device, either of which is painfully transparent and contrived. Course, if it did happen, at least Sc2 will be consistently contrived... if one can take that as a good thing that is.

In some ways yes, but the problem is if you didn't know about what Kaloth did, it makes even less sense.

The whole part of raising the issue with Fenix, as far as I'm aware, is that Blizzard knew that the community wasn't one bit happy that Fenix was left in the dark in the whole of WoL, as that was supposed to have been an important part on Raynor's end.

Sure, Kerrigan reminded Raynor of that vow in the Flashpoint book, but not everyone read the book. Thus probably what happened was they felt if they left Fenix out completely in HotS, it would only prove they're negligent. After all, if they remembered Stukov and everything, how could they possibly forget about Fenix's death and Raynor's vow that day?

[drakolobo]

haha I think blizzard, suffers this:


was not strictly necessary that Jim reminds Fenix, it would have been a good tool to highlight their affection, but not required, people do not say everything they think, in fact jim avoided speaking of the Queen of Blades in WoL. jim for hatred was not only the death of Fenix, the death of people, their main loss was the transformation of a person that he appreciated one of the worst forms, becoming a monster, which in Broodwar looked like she had salvation and everything turned out to be a farce. this is seen as a real opportunity to save, he took this, now it made it impossible, and he saves kerrigan, after is kidnapped after being saved, Raynor sees that all he did was useless again betrayed that was a good time to burst of anger again like when he was betrayed for her and fenix died in Broodwar

[ragnarok]

was not strictly necessary that Jim reminds Fenix, it would have been a good tool to highlight their affection, but not required, people do not say everything they think, in fact jim avoided speaking of the Queen of Blades in WoL. jim for hatred was not only the death of Fenix, the death of people, their main loss was the transformation of a person that he appreciated one of the worst forms, becoming a monster, which in Broodwar looked like she had salvation and everything turned out to be a farce. this is seen as a real opportunity to save the take, now it makes it impossible, and he saves kerrigan, after is kidnapped far save him, but sees that all he did was useless again betrayed that was a good time to burst of anger again as when he was betreyed for her and fenix died in Broodwar

Yes that was exactly the case in the "Believe in Me" cutscene. To Raynor, that was the last betrayal. As he saw it, that meant the Kerrigan he fell in love with died on Tarsonis, since (as he saw it) the only thing she regretted after the deinfestation was losing her power and was determined to get it back no matter the cost. Kerrigan knew Raynor would think that and it would be pointless to try to convince him otherwise, he wasn't going to listen.

[Turalyon]

^ BUT SHE, THE QUEEN OF BLADES, SAVED RAYNOR ON THE MOROS!!!

This act alone is as far removed from what the BW Queen of Blades (God! Now I have start delineating that there are two QoBs. Yeesh!) would have ever done. It's a clear indicator she's different, apart from looking tentacly and gross, and would've dissolved any fears that Raynor had about Kerrigan possibly being "evil" again. Raynor is just being a complete dick for calling her out about Fenix after this supposedly blackly evil person rescued his damned hide. That Fenix line is not only just a namecheck, but a poorly contrived one as well.

Like I said, it would've been more believable if he'd just been angry and repulsed by her physical appearance after he had made her beautiful again in WoL. Then again, maybe he was and was just namechecking Fenix to hide his utter shallowness as a human being.