Purifier Origins

[drakolobo]

It's kinda unfortunate that the official background of the Purifiers is pretty typical of all other sci-fi rebel AI's (they fought their masters and fled to build up their own civilisation in order to spite thier masters) which is why I was hoping for a slight spin where there was perhaps the beginnings of a conflict (why the Collosi were eventually stored away for example) but it got ultimately resolved through the AI making a decision to leave the Protoss because they were violent and didn't want to be a part of that and the Protoss just let them go because they're enlightened enough to know those robots were right by guilt-tripping them about their violent past and holding them to their Dae'Uhl (the purifiers being lesser race). It's a way for them to acknowledge their shame without acting on it and makes the Conclave seem smarter and competent at one point in their rule. They must have done something right in the all that time, right?

It could inform why the Sc1 Protoss robotic elements in their armies don't have obviously sapient AIs (interceptors, reavers) or that they're used mostly in support roles (probes, shuttles, observers). It's interesting to note that the Reaver has its origin in being a civilian manufacturing unit rather than being created solely for military purposes.
Course, none of this will be explored in any great detail because their inclusion will purely be a mechanical (can you spot the puns?) means to move the plot forward. In the end, they're just one piece to the army that will overthrow Amon and his Hybrids. Just like how the Primal Zerg could've been more but were not. *Sigh*

Purifier not fall simply on the cliche of robotic rebellion, the background is implicit that emerged as an experiment linked to the Product search, immortality, preserve great heroes, failed experiment because it was not consciousness preserved by 100%, to see failure They recycled the project as an auxiliary of the Templar caste
but they disregarded, they were basically trampling the children of great heroes as heroes. because the purifiers are not mere IA are mainly: Protoss outstanding in mechanical bodies taht simply deactivated like ultimate army. the idea that there will probably be a negotiation with purifiers, for history purifiers is also similar to the story of Narazim

There you go again with the irrelevent trivialities and semantics that have nothing to do with the point. It doesn't really matter that they're Purifiers or robots or what their motivations are or what their ties to the Protoss are since you could just as easily put something else (like an orange?) in its place to fulfil the plot device function that it (whatever "it" may happen to be) essentially is.

these is a closed perspective, this would deny any new thing to expand the universe . While the new annex is a plausible lore with the starcraft universe, it is acceptable. As you mentioned purifiers history consistent with the modus operandi of the Protoss of moderate or prohibit controversial and dangerous technology, such destructive machines (colossus) or genetic modification (frontline)

[Gradius]

There you go again with the irrelevent trivialities and semantics that have nothing to do with the point.

Welcome to Ragnarok.

[ragnarok]

these is a closed perspective, this would deny any new thing to expand the universe . While the new annex is a plausible lore with the starcraft universe, it is acceptable. As you mentioned purifiers history consistent with the modus operandi of the Protoss of moderate or prohibit controversial and dangerous technology, such destructive machines (colossus) or genetic modification (frontline)

But there in lies Blizzard just abusing their vagueness to have it mean whatever they wanted. The Colossi, for example, wasn't really a retcon or anything, it was merely something born out of "because past experiences forced it to be prohibited."

And Blizzard never said in detail just how much was banned with the new traditions (which technically are the old traditions by the time of SC1), so therefore now they're saying they can pull whatever they want out of thin air because of just that.

[Turalyon]

For the most part I see that will only be like what happened in "Death from Above" in HotS.

That mission pretty much cements the Primal Zerg as being mere plot device. It wasn't enough for them to just be there to conveniently empower Kerrigan to fulfill the story of her ultimate victory, they had to remind us how shameless of a plot device they were (in case it wasn't clear the first time) by being the only thing capable of getting around yet another horrendous out-of-the-blue plot device.

Purifier not fall simply on the cliche of robotic rebellion, the background is implicit that emerged as an experiment linked to the Product search, immortality, preserve great heroes, failed experiment because it was not consciousness preserved by 100%, to see failure They recycled the project as an auxiliary of the Templar caste
but they disregarded, they were basically trampling the children of great heroes as heroes. because the purifiers are not mere IA are mainly: Protoss outstanding in mechanical bodies taht simply deactivated like ultimate army. the idea that there will probably be a negotiation with purifiers, for history purifiers is also similar to the story of Narazim

It's a bit hard to comprehend what you're saying so sorry if it doesn't like I'm responding correctly to what you intended above. The conception of the AI (which I take as you trying to explain the Protoss wanting to preserve the minds of their past leaders/thinkers by recreating them as AI) is not the cliche, it's the rebellion and the nature of it that is cliche. The "treating them badly" and "then they rebelled violently" is what's cliche and a disservice to the Protoss, especially in light of their history with the Nerazim. To have them be another Nerazim expy in which they made the same mistake just makes them utterly incompetent and more unenlightened - something that the Protoss should not be thought of as.

I like my version of the "split" better since at least I'm trying to give the homeworld Protoss some dignity and awareness of their failings. Also, it's different than the typical robot rebellion since it's not technically a rebellion (which is the worst part of that particular cliche) thereby differentiating them further from the Nerazim. You don't need the Purifiers to mirror the Nerazim in thematic value because we already have the actual Nerazim for that!

these is a closed perspective, this would deny any new thing to expand the universe . While the new annex is a plausible lore with the starcraft universe, it is acceptable. As you mentioned purifiers history consistent with the modus operandi of the Protoss of moderate or prohibit controversial and dangerous technology, such destructive machines (colossus) or genetic modification (frontline)

No, no, you misunderstand. I'm not saying that the purifiers were wholly created and included to serve as plot device but the way they will likely be used will come across as them being felt as nothing more than plot device. The Primal Zerg are a clear example of this. I'm sure there is a way to make them interesting and fleshed out, but the way they were used in the actual narrative doesn't really endear the audience to think of them more than being in service to move the plot.

Contrast this with the plot devices used in Sc1. The Psi emitter not only move the plot but it fuels character progression and informs us about the nature of what makes the Terrans tick. The focus is not about the device itself but the reactions generated from its existence. The Dark templar in The Stand (Episode III) can also be seen as a plot device to move the story forward and to allow for the convenient defeat of the Zerg but they are clearly more than that because we see them through interactions with a specific Dark Templar character in Zeratul and that the focus is on their ancient conflict with the Khalai. It just so happens that they serve the current story but are not seemingly there just to serve that story. It's a subtle difference but this is what makes or breaks appropriate world-building.

[ragnarok]

That mission pretty much cements the Primal Zerg as being mere plot device. It wasn't enough for them to just be there to conveniently empower Kerrigan to fulfill the story of her ultimate victory, they had to remind us how shameless of a plot device they were (in case it wasn't clear the first time) by being the only thing capable of getting around yet another horrendous out-of-the-blue plot device.

Personally I didn't see the point if Kerrigan was fully remade on Zerus. If that was true she would be considered primal Zerg herself, and therefore wouldn't need Dehaka's help in that mission.

[Sheliek]

Welcome to Ragnarok.

I've been wanting to out-Rag Ragnarok for a few months now, but I don't know I've got it in me.

#shitpost

[ragnarok]

I've been wanting to out-Rag Ragnarok for a few months now, but I don't know I've got it in me.

#shitpost

Not impressed, Muspelli, if that's all you're going to see of me

[Sheliek]

Not impressed, Muspelli, if that's all you're going to see of me

I say these things out of love. You're unique. I just wanna see if you're argument style works against you, though. I'm not sure it would. Likely, it'd be stalemate. Like Russia-USA relations from 1945 til present.

Hopefully with less WMDs, mind. Y'all remember the great nuking of the fifty-first state? Yeah, no one does. That was at least 90 years ago...

[ragnarok]

I say these things out of love. You're unique. I just wanna see if you're argument style works against you, though. I'm not sure it would. Likely, it'd be stalemate. Like Russia-USA relations from 1945 til present.

Hopefully with less WMDs, mind. Y'all remember the great nuking of the fifty-first state? Yeah, no one does. That was at least 90 years ago...

Everyone is unique in some way, you know this.

[Visions of Khas]

Everyone is unique in some way, you know this.

You're a special little snow flake.

Just like everyone else.