The Zoe Quinn "Scandal"

[Visions of Khas]

Thank you, Squidward. I think of that scene every time I say that. XD

[Nissa]

^ This is why I don't follow anything that's strictly Feminist or Masculanist. These days they seem to harm their own causes rather than help them. There are lies from both sides. For example, either side will claim the other gender has a higher percentage of child abuse under its belt, even while some studies suggest the divide is practically 50/50. I said some studies because there are SO MANY STUDIES that say THIS or THAT that it's become difficult for me to believe ANY statistics any more, especially since the definition for parameters for may vary widely and wildly. Can't we all just get along? Jeez.

....I have never once heard of a "masculinist", nor does it seem like they're the problem here. Feminists are clearly rage maniacs with an agenda on their mind.

Anyway, one thing I've noticed that's different between men and women is how they abuse their children. Women are far more likely to say ignorant things in public to their children ("I'm going to kill you, you're going to die early" -- no kidding, I heard that once from a woman) or possibly even spank their children in front of others. Men, when abusive, tend to do so in private.

[Visions of Khas]

....I have never once heard of a "masculinist", nor does it seem like they're the problem here

I made the term up, but you understand what I'm talking about.

I'd argue that women are more likely to employ emotional abuse than men, but this is anecdotal and I haven't done the research on it, and Im more than willing to admit I'm wrong when confronted with new and reliable information. Both on this subject, and everything else.

[DemolitionSquid]

Its old news women fight with words and men fight with fists.

Also, masculism is actually a thing, strangely enough. Its men fighting for equality in things that are seemingly biased towards women such as child custody, young driver insurance costs, and male genital mutilation (circumcision) being socially accepted in North America.

[TheEconomist]

Its old news women fight with words and men fight with fists.

Except women are still more likely to use their fists in a domestic altercation than men. The only difference is that men have the capability to do damage to the other, women usually don't.

I said some studies because there are SO MANY STUDIES that say THIS or THAT that it's become difficult for me to believe ANY statistics any more, especially since the definition for parameters for may vary widely and wildly.

"There's lies, there's damned lies, and then there's statistics." - Mark Twain

If you ever want to be really annoyed by statistics, learn economics and then hear how people interpret data. *sigh*

Also, masculism is actually a thing, strangely enough.

Pretty sure you're talking about Men's Rights Activists, not masculinists. I've never heard of any group call themselves masculinists. MRA's can be compared to animal rights activists or environmental activists in that they are people who have a specific interest in improving certains areas. The -ist in feminism, however, is more in line with other -isms and -ists, namely socialists and communists, in that it's an intellectual force with multitudes of viewpoints and pushers and they tend to be far more extreme and, like most academics, in their own little world, creating solutions to problems that don't exist or misrepresenting groups or situations. In effect, Nissa is right. There are no masculinists. The only time men get their problems taken seriously is when it is included with overall suffering of humankind as a whole. No one will ever give men a platform by which the can whine and drone on for hours about their problems. Never.

[DemolitionSquid]

No one will ever give men a platform by which they can whine and drone on for hours about their problems. Never.

I'm pretty sure you just described Fox News and the Republican National Convention.

[Visions of Khas]

If you ever want to be really annoyed by statistics, learn economics and then hear how people interpret data. *sigh*

*whimper* ANY interpretation of data.

[Nissa]

I'm pretty sure you just described Fox News and the Republican National Convention.

-10 logic points for labelling someone with a show they don't watch and a place they've never been instead of using logic.

Well, unless Econ has been to the RNC. It's just that that's the kind of labellism that stifles intellectual discourse and understanding. One side presents logic and facts (or at least a reasonable opinion) and then the other goes, "Well, you're a [label]", as if that makes the person's reasoned opinion mean nothing.

I also don't understand how circumcision is sexist. It's just Jewish tradition.

[Visions of Khas]

I also don't understand how female genital mutilation is sexist. It's just African tradition.

Let that one sink in, eh?

[TheEconomist]

I'm pretty sure you just described Fox News and the Republican National Convention.

Sounds like what someone would say if the only thing they've seen of Fox News is clips from YouTube. Considering the single most commonly spoken word I've heard on Fox News (admittedly, from clips) is about the "wussification of America" and how people should stop bitching, I'll just chalk this up to the same kind of stupidity that the Squibb is known for.

*whimper* ANY interpretation of data.

Normally, I would agree. Except Economics is a field where everyone thinks they know better than the most brilliant economists even though they know nothing. Not that I'm brilliant, but everyone I bring up studying economics at a party or family get-together, the first words out of everyone's mouth is, "Did you know that the economy is going to go to shit in a hand-basket in three months? Yeah, those damn economists don't know what they're talking about." Cue historic growth rate of 5%. YouTube posters are even worse. Go to any YT video about economics and witness every single uneducated poster making wild assumptions and honestly believing that they are the only ones that know what they're talking that.

That kind of shit doesn't happen in other fields. Not even medicine when everyone just goes to WebMD. It's only comparible to politics, but everyone who lives has so knowledge about politics, not so with economics. Plus, I have yet to meet a person who did not horribly confuse economics (basically political science with a focus on the economy) with business or business management.

I also don't understand how circumcision is sexist. It's just Jewish tradition.

It's not necessarily sexist, but its fucked up. Especially since the child has no say in the matter and the stated purpose of the act is to decrease sexual enjoyment and desire, as if God made men and only men extremely fucked up. However, what IS sexist is the way that people have no problem with doing it on men in their own country but then have a shit fit when its mentioned as happening to women in third-world countries. Like I said, men's problems, no matter how severe, are never taken seriously unless it includes the entirety of mankind, whereas women's problems, no matter how small, are usually taken seriously on at least some level.

But none of this shit matters and I feel like I'm getting dumber just talking about it. Back towards furthering my aspirations of becoming the master of the universe.