Xel'Naga - Universe Origins

[Nissa]

Well no, clearly I was speculating on that point. To be honest, I think it would be a more interesting direction than "Amon did it all."

[Turalyon]

So I wonder if the Hybrid are a combination then of Protoss Essence and Zerg Form? The exact reverse of what they were aiming for. What might that mean, exactly? Zerg form is mutable (represented by the variety of Hybrid types?), and Protoss essence has been marred, but was communal in nature...

That's a fairly interesting notion to ponder and it makes a heck of a lot of sense. I wouldn't be surprised if its revealed that this is how we should interpret the Hybrids - as some combination of the "impure" aspects of each of those races.

[ragnarok]

Well no, clearly I was speculating on that point. To be honest, I think it would be a more interesting direction than "Amon did it all."

That would be complete and utter BS. I don't like villains with this oracle ability of "Everything is as I have intended" concept.

NO ONE can plan everything that perfectly. Even Duran's actions had gambled matters to chance, despite manipulating other people.

Besides, we don't know enough about Amon to speculate just WHAT he was planning.

[Nissa]

That would be complete and utter BS. I don't like villains with this oracle ability of "Everything is as I have intended" concept.

NO ONE can plan everything that perfectly. Even Duran's actions had gambled matters to chance, despite manipulating other people.

Besides, we don't know enough about Amon to speculate just WHAT he was planning.

Dude, I was just doing some random speculation, not saying what I actually thought Blizzard had in mind. It's just my own little fantasy story, that's all. Besides, Duran seems like a guy who has been manipulating people for a long time, and more than likely has true allies of some sort.

Also, that was sort of my point about Amon. We don't know anything about him, and therefore he's boring. Even mysterious characters need to give hints of who they are so that the player is interested. That's the principle reason why I hated them killing off Mengsk. Mengsk is someone the player has known since the beginning of Starcraft, and have loved to hate since then. Amon? Some mystical, magical thing that apparently, by the order of the almighty retcon, has been manipulating everything from the beginning.

[ragnarok]

Dude, I was just doing some random speculation, not saying what I actually thought Blizzard had in mind. It's just my own little fantasy story, that's all. Besides, Duran seems like a guy who has been manipulating people for a long time, and more than likely has true allies of some sort.

Also, that was sort of my point about Amon. We don't know anything about him, and therefore he's boring. Even mysterious characters need to give hints of who they are so that the player is interested. That's the principle reason why I hated them killing off Mengsk. Mengsk is someone the player has known since the beginning of Starcraft, and have loved to hate since then. Amon? Some mystical, magical thing that apparently, by the order of the almighty retcon, has been manipulating everything from the beginning.

You're not the only one with such fantasy stories. That's why I wrote a fanfic of my own for post WoL on the ff.net site, you can check it out if you like.

And for your point of Amon, I know what you mean. Blizzard said Mengsk's story was done by the time of WoL's release, but he got plenty of features, including the I, Mengsk book and everything.

In order for this to work for Amon, he has to actually SURVIVE LotV, be the main villain in SC3 for all 3 factions, and be the main character of at least 2 or 3 SC books for post LotV. THEN maybe I'll see it in a different way.

Right now, I'm not convinced one bit that Blizzard can make him interesting with just LotV alone.

[Turalyon]

In order for this to work for Amon, he has to actually SURVIVE LotV, be the main villain in SC3 for all 3 factions, and be the main character of at least 2 or 3 SC books for post LotV. THEN maybe I'll see it in a different way.

This would essentially make the entirety of Sc2's story a complete waste of time. It's already quite incoherent and unfocussed and now you want it top it off with it being unfinished as well? I guess just one more kick in the guts won't hurt too much.

Right now, I'm not convinced one bit that Blizzard can make him interesting with just LotV alone.

I don't think they ever will. First impressions count for a lot I'm afraid and Amon's one just makes him a terrible character right off the bat.

[ragnarok]

This would essentially make the entirety of Sc2's story a complete waste of time. It's already quite incoherent and unfocussed and now you want it top it off with it being unfinished as well? I guess just one more kick in the guts won't hurt too much.

No, a waste of time is if LotV's ending is Amon won, and Blizzard tells the fans that all the actions to prevent armageddon was "just us messing with your head." Besides, with Brood War people wanted Mengsk to finally die, and they didn't kill him off.

I don't think they ever will. First impressions count for a lot I'm afraid and Amon's one just makes him a terrible character right off the bat.

Of course not, and we already got the first impression with Amon from the "In Utter Darkness" mission of WoL. It certainly wasn't the one people wanted...

[NikoMyCousin]

No, a waste of time is if LotV's ending is Amon won, and Blizzard tells the fans that all the actions to prevent armageddon was "just us messing with your head."

Kerrigan and Artanis will enter a chamber that amplifies their powers, and they'll focus their energies on Amon. Upon getting vanquished, Amon will release Xel'naga energies that purify all zerg/Protoss DNA on the planet the battle is taking place. Artanis dies, and Kerrigan's now completely severed from the zerg and now completely human again. Zerg leadership? Niadra, and her inability to override her directive of killing Protoss is what drives this new zerg. Prologue to Starcraft 3 is that the UED returns, and Raynor and Kerrigan fight to keep the Koprulu safe from their tyranny, one planet at a time.

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This premise is probably better than what we're going to end up getting.

[Turalyon]

No, a waste of time is if LotV's ending is Amon won, and Blizzard tells the fans that all the actions to prevent armageddon was "just us messing with your head."

That's no different or better than him surviving Sc2 to plague the TZP again in Sc3 really. If he just gets defeated only to be then be a proper big bad in Sc3 only to be defeated again, this then makes the whole of Sc2 just worthless filler. If you have him lose in Sc2 and then win in Sc3, Sc2 becomes pointless filler just the same because everything was "undone" previously. If he wins a minor victory at the end of Sc2 to setup his eventual win/loss in Sc3 (probably the most likely scenario if they wanted to keep Amon around), everyone will still feel Sc2 was a waste of time because they've waited 15+ years for what was really just an over-extended teaser for Sc3 that no-one will probably care about anyway. Every way you cut it, Amon is a terrible character to keep moving forward with.

Of course not, we already got the first impression with Amon from the "In Utter Darkness" mission of WoL. It certainly wasn't the one people wanted...

that's what I said. What other first "impression of Amon" did you think I was referring to?

[ragnarok]

that's what I said. What other first "impression of Amon" did you think I was referring to?

Well for obvious reasons, Blizzard COULD just argue to you that the Overmind's vision isn't concrete, so therefore what you saw of Amon in there doesn't count.

Personally, I wouldn't buy that argument, but that doesn't mean Blizzard wouldn't use it regardless.