Can anyone tell me where this info is from and if it's canon or not?

[Pandonetho]

No way, if it could move under the huge tornado, it wouldn't go flying from using the main cannon, nor would need to stop completely. Even if it needed to stop completely, it's faster to use than deploying a slow mechanical device.

You're forgetting that said tank was a SPECIAL tank, not a normal tank.

Anyways, i would assume that Terrans won't be so stupid to use Banshees on space platforms, even if that's the case in-game. But that doesn't makes the unit's model precisely a good idea, if it's going to be seen in such scenarios, specially taking into account the fact of all other units being designed to resist gravity outages, as a great concern.

Why? It works perfectly fine on space platforms with Terran technology. You just answered the question, no, we don't use the Apache on the moon, similar to how we don't use the Banshee for every situation that you can think of. And we see sunken colonies and nydus canals in SC doing impossible things on space platforms all the time, the banshee is much more believable than a nydus canal that can somehow transport Zerg off a space platform to a different one.

[Norfindel]

You're forgetting that said tank was a SPECIAL tank, not a normal tank.

Again, if someone modified it, others can, if the reward is big enough. In fact, if this is possible, it's only natural for them to be manufactured with the modification.

Why? It works perfectly fine on space platforms with Terran technology. You just answered the question, no, we don't use the Apache on the moon, similar to how we don't use the Banshee for every situation that you can think of. And we see sunken colonies and nydus canals in SC doing impossible things on space platforms all the time, the banshee is much more believable than a nydus canal that can somehow transport Zerg off a space platform to a different one.

If i had a space platform, and Banshees came to attack me, i would turn the gravity switch to off. After all, everything else has gravity generators.
But it's true, a lot of things that doesn't make any sense happends in-game, like the classic example of Marines shooting a Battlecruiser down.

Anyways, my observation was that Blizzard's lore management is sloppy, they shouldn't had let writers state such specific issues without at least check if that could shoot them on a foot, like saying that everything has grav generators just in case gravity goes off, or that Vultures cannot move over Creep (wtf?!), or that a single Dark Templar can disrupt the Khala pretty badly, even when she had no chance of even connecting with the Khala to begin with.

[Pandonetho]

If i had a space platform, and Banshees came to attack me, i would turn the gravity switch to off. After all, everything else has gravity generators.

Hold on, can you answer this question for me? Why aren't you complaining about why we don't use helicopters to fight against fighter jets? Certainly you seem to have this ridiculous notion that because a craft was designed where it can't be used in some situations automatically makes it a bad craft.

[Norfindel]

Hold on, can you answer this question for me? Why aren't you complaining about why we don't use helicopters to fight against fighter jets? Certainly you seem to have this ridiculous notion that because a craft was designed where it can't be used in some situations automatically makes it a bad craft.

I don't know where you got that idea, i only said that it would be stupid to use Banshees on space platforms. And i already said that i didn't believed the Terrans were stupid enough to use Banshees there. And also, that choosing that model for the unit when it's going to be shown in a Space Platform, while having preexisting lore that says that gravity outages are a serious enough problem as to design nearly every ground unit with gravity generators isn't the best idea in the world. Had they managed their lore better, and said that gravity wouldn't be ever turned off, because that would kill pretty much everyone, or affect both side units, etc, that problem wouldn't exist at all.

[PhanttoM]

You mean that it contains breathable gases, like if it was a gas tube, but that isn't an atmosphere by definition.
Atmospheres are pulled by gravity to the planet's surface. Unless the space platforms have a huge dome around them, that's how it must work.


Yep, if gravity is low enough, the atmosphere goes away.

I'll have to admit that wasn't quite sure what to call the inside conditions in a single word - Figured everyone would understand the word atmosphere.
And I probably should have left out the part about the moon...it's stating the obvious and misleading. :-/

Concept wise, I never did like the space platforms in relation to ground vehicles/troops. It always seemed like a halfassed excuse to have planar movement in a space environment.
Ironically, it's my favorite tileset in terms of visuals.

*edit* Pffft...all this talk about gravity, tanks, banshees and space platforms made me completely forget that the thread originally was about the insane goliath speed. (I had to check first post lol)

[pure.Wasted]

If i had a space platform, and Banshees came to attack me, i would turn the gravity switch to off. After all, everything else has gravity generators.
But it's true, a lot of things that doesn't make any sense happends in-game, like the classic example of Marines shooting a Battlecruiser down.

You're assuming that 1) those who come to a Space Platform know how to turn off gravity generators, 2) it is easy to turn off gravity generators, 3) you have an army that won't also suffer from the lack of gravity.

1) and 2) could easily be simply wrong, and 3) will vary by context, but if we're talking about armies I'm going to say usually you'll be just as fucked as your enemy. So, maybe it works as a measure of last defense? Sure. But then there's still 1 and 2 to figure out.


Now to catch up with everyone and echo the smart things others have said.

1. Goliath run speed 120 MPH is so implausible, unlikely, and conceptually flawed. Urban environments DON'T need things that can move quickly, they need things that can take a punch and keep going, because you're going to be getting hit from all sides. Speed you need if you're fighting in the open, and Goliaths were not built for that. Furthermore, 120 MPH? Really? Really?

2. Vultures flying makes perfect sense. Obviously it'd consume more fuel, but there's no inherent difference between floating at 15m, floating at 20m, and floating at 50m.

3. Reapers flying also makes perfect sense. Exact same scenario, throwing, shooting, or otherwise.

4. Banshees are awesome. They have their uses. Saying you can't take them to a platform because IF someone turns off the generators they'll be useless is like saying you won't take Marines to any planet without breathable air because IF their visor gets punctured they'll just die from lack of oxygen. All you can do is take precautions. You will suffer casualties, that's part of war.

[Norfindel]

You're assuming that 1) those who come to a Space Platform know how to turn off gravity generators, 2) it is easy to turn off gravity generators, 3) you have an army that won't also suffer from the lack of gravity.

1) and 2) could easily be simply wrong, and 3) will vary by context, but if we're talking about armies I'm going to say usually you'll be just as fucked as your enemy. So, maybe it works as a measure of last defense? Sure. But then there's still 1 and 2 to figure out.

1- Not those who come to a Space Platform, those who *run* the space platform. I think it's pretty safe to say that the owners of the space platform have a technical crew that can keep gravity working, or shut it down, if needed.
2- A machine generally has a power switch, or at least you can cut the power, just because something can go wrong with it. Hell, if desperate enough, you could blow your own grav generator.
3- According to Uprising, pretty much everything in the military has the grav. generators "just in case", even including individual Marines, so nothing else would cease functioning in your army.

4. Banshees are awesome. They have their uses. Saying you can't take them to a platform because IF someone turns off the generators they'll be useless is like saying you won't take Marines to any planet without breathable air because IF their visor gets punctured they'll just die from lack of oxygen. All you can do is take precautions. You will suffer casualties, that's part of war.

That comparison doesn't makes any sense. How the hell are you supposed to "take precautions" against the platform owner to shut the gravity off??? Using Banshees in such an scenario would be just plainly stupid.
Also, the surface area of the visor is small compared with the rest of the Marine, is like going for a headshot in a shooting, only happends in the movies, or by sheer luck. Not to mention that the visor could be very sturdy. Also, all the Marines wouldn't be disabled if one of them gets head-shooted... -_-;

[pure.Wasted]

1- Not those who come to a Space Platform, those who *run* the space platform. I think it's pretty safe to say that the owners of the space platform have a technical crew that can keep gravity working, or shut it down, if needed.
2- A machine generally has a power switch, or at least you can cut the power, just because something can go wrong with it. Hell, if desperate enough, you could blow your own grav generator.

I never imagined the gravity/atmosphere generators as ... being inside some building somewhere with a crew working all around. The image I have in my head is a self-contained, self-sustaining computer running all by itself, buried somewhere underneath the colony in question. Giving some person access to this thing seems way too risky -- basically, any one person could then kill an entire colony just by pressing a button. How many designs have been stolen so far? Goliath, now Thor... sabotage comes naturally to the K-Sectorians. Putting that much power into someone's hands by telling them exactly where the "off switch" is... well, that's just asking for trouble.

If we take your interpretation to be the case, then yes, it should be easy to turn it off, technically speaking. However, even then, who would have the authority to make that sort of decision? This isn't the middle of nowhere the Zerg/Protoss/enemy Terrans are invading, it's a habitable world with plenty of citizens. Turn it off and civilians die by the thousands, if not faster. Who -- if anyone -- would be entrusted with making such a decision?

That comparison doesn't makes any sense. How the hell are you supposed to "take precautions" against the platform owner to shut the gravity off??? Using Banshees in such an scenario would be just plainly stupid.

3- According to Uprising, pretty much everything in the military has the grav. generators "just in case", even including individual Marines, so nothing else would cease functioning in your army.

I think you answered your own question. Banshees would also have gravity generators strong enough to get them down without crashing, if not more. Sure, at that point they would become relatively useless, but it's going to be a while before it comes to the switch flipping (if ever), and they can be devastatingly effective in that timeframe.

[Lupino]

No way, if it could move under the huge tornado, it wouldn't go flying from using the main cannon, nor would need to stop completely. Even if it needed to stop completely, it's faster to use than deploying a slow mechanical device.

Probably the best explanation would be that there isn't enough energy to shoot the cannon, and keep 6x gravity at the same time, but even then, it's strange that there's enough energy to keep 6x gravity and move under 6x gravity and a huge tornado at the same time...

Then the fact that the enhanced generator is an energy hog would make it less appealing to use than one with simple mechanical struts, which again assumes that such generators can be economically made en mass; there was after all only one of these things ever built.

No, but we don't use the Apache there, either -_-;

Anyways, i would assume that Terrans won't be so stupid to use Banshees on space platforms, even if that's the case in-game. But that doesn't makes the unit's model precisely a good idea, if it's going to be seen in such scenarios, specially taking into account the fact of all other units being designed to resist gravity outages, as a great concern.

Because what happens in-game does not always make sense, it is an abstraction of what "really" happens. Ideally we want it to make as much sense as possible, but for various gameplay reasons we are left with silly things like Marines with unlimited ammo who never miss (unless you're behind a tree or cliff ).


As for turning off the gravity generators, you are still assuming that this is something that can be easily done. There isn't exactly an "on/off" switch for something like a nuclear reactor, many complex machines require timely procedures in order to turn on/off safely, the same can be said for big ones powering space platforms.

Since the brass wanted a ground attack fighter designed to be used within a planetary atmosphere, it is doubtful they would've wasted weight and power with a grav generator for the Banshee, considering you can't just "turn off" a planet's gravitational field

[Norfindel]

As for turning off the gravity generators, you are still assuming that this is something that can be easily done. There isn't exactly an "on/off" switch for something like a nuclear reactor, many complex machines require timely procedures in order to turn on/off safely, the same can be said for big ones powering space platforms.

In fact, nuclear reactors can be shutdown by pressing a button and even automatically if something is detected as going wrong. Even the Chernobyl reactor had one, but sadly the reactor's design was very unsafe. Do a search on the "AZ-5 button". I imagine that the button has at least a cap over it.

To shutdown gravity, however, i would require to enter a password, two keys turned at the same time, or something like that, unless the grav. generator is as unsafe as a nuclear reactor, but then you must choose the lesser evil.