The Dating Thread

[sandwich_bird]

Adrian or John Carmack?

John <3 Pioneer in 3d graphics, very smart guy.

Also, let me point out a culture difference. When I say "ask out," I mean that bluntly. The purpose of dating is to find a long term relationship, and that means dates without sex or unwarranted expectations. That's what I mean when I talk about it. Things change when the "dating means sex" definition is used.

It's a bit murky semantically if the guy asks out in way that makes it seem like he wants a relationship but he's actually just trying to get a one night stand. But yeah we'll stick with dating as in seeking a not purely sexual relationship. Also, it needs to be stated that the people asking each out are of relatively similar age (+/- 5) and 18+ otherwise all kinds of other argument can come up. Finally, lets agree that we only count people that were given a real consideration because it is known that many may say yes for a date even if they are not truly interested because they are too weak to be direct.

Actually, I've heard about guys who can ask a lot, and they generally will have dates on a regular basis. Because women have greater desire for relationships, we're less bothered by certain things. After all, I can't get mad at a guy for asking someone out, getting rejected, and then asking me. So long as his interest is genuine, or he's just asking to hang out without expectations, it's all good. It becomes inappropriate when insincerity is involved, and he'd have to ask out a lot of girls at once to reach insincerity levels. Psychologically, men prefer pursuit, making women asking less socially acceptable. Though if you personally have a different opinion, I'll listen.

Data shows that women have a higher chance of being accepted when asking a guy on a date(and that's with our previous definition in mind) than the opposite. If you want proof, I can google it for you but I clearly remember reading papers on this. Your anecdote is an edge case I would say. But, it depends on the age too. If both parties are >35 then the dyadic powers are less one-sided. Some would say they favor men past that point, not sure I agree/disagree. But, from 18-35, my statement should stand true in most cases.

Oh, you mean women are forced into buying countless outfits, accessories, and whatnot just to get guys' attention? Only being acceptable after hours of shopping, makeup, and hair? And, not true.

They're not forced at all. What I'm saying is that if the genetic makeup of a woman is unfavorable, she can masks it. She has that option. She doesn't necessarily need to. Let me try to explain: guys have low physical standards (I can show proof if you want). That means that most guys would date ~60% of all "natural" women if asked only to decide based on their physic. BUT, among the ~40% of all women who would be passed, ~38% can fix their problem by dressing up, putting make up on, losing weight, etc.

Guys can dress nicely, do their hair, and put on nice-smelling stuff. Not to mention work out, but that's really on both sides.

It's true that guys can do these things but their effect is not as effective. Again, let me explain. First thing to know is that most women will not date a guy shorter than her. Right there, you eliminate ~30% of potential candidates and there's nothing that the guy can do physically to counter this. This problem is made worse when the girl wear high heels because now not only does the guy need to be taller than the girl's natural height, he also needs to be taller that the girl + the heels.

Now, out of the ~70% that's left, women have much higher standards than man and they don't just involve the physical body(as you said) but another full list of stuff. This list often mandates the things you listed (well dressed, nice hairdo, etc) because women have much higher standards. After this filter, I'd say that only ~20% of men will be accepted.

Besides, men are visually stimulated more than women are, so the looks department is way harder for women, because we have a higher standard to live up to. If women have more standards, yours are higher.

While it is true that most guys will decide based on visual, their visual standard are in general low as stated before. While women standard is really high an incorporates other stuff.

"Hell of a personality"?

By that I meant someone that can somehow pickup girls easily despite his look probably through mind tricks and the like.

I've met gold diggers, and they're the ones who are exactly as you say: into fame and fortune, and incredibly intelligent. It sounds like you've met a lot of them, and you're judging all women based on that archetype. It's not a matter of bias, it's a matter of finding a man who isn't just out for sex.

Good old ad-hominem. I only say things supported by research but I am willing to revise anything that is proven false.

[TheEconomist]

Fuck all that back and forth shit. Let me break it down real simple for you:

Those girls that I've been smashing: they have basic jobs and multiple kids. They are stuck in their real lives and are looking for an escape. They've made bad decisions but a series of dudes will continually saves their asses. They wear jeans, T-shirts, and sometimes hats (all sexy though). Yet I'm wrapped up in their smile, style, and body.

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To get those girls that I've been smashing: I had to graduate Magna cum Laude at a top-tier school, take enormous risks in real estate and financing, buy a $50,000 car (plus watches, clothes, etc), I had to develop my game over many years and failed attempts, and I had to have the confidence and tenacity not to get depressed after the 100th girl rejected me.

The girls that I would consider on my level in terms of wealth and intelligence won't respond back to me (online) because they're going for the Lebron James, Justin Timberlakes, or Bill Gates of POF in my area.



What do I get in real life?

Something pretty close to my equal. The girl I dated for two years was brilliant at statistics, valedictorian of her high school, and president of the student government. Loved her to death, might've even married her but she wanted to move to Seattle, and I had to run my own investments in various cities that aren't Seattle. I was, let's say, damn good at economics, prodigy at forecasting, and manager/owner of three separate companies at the time. She would help me with properties (feminine touch) and I would help her with the abstract of economics.

We complimented each other really well. I knew we were practically equals, therefore, given the nature of the game, I felt lucky to be swingin' that well


What did it take to get her?

Months of finessing her circle of friends to work my way into her life, precision timing and thoroughly crafted conversation, and lots and lots of courage and determination. She is borderline autistic in her social skills/intelligence ratio (I mean that in the most loving, adorable way) and her contribution towards making this happen was shyly saying, "yes" when I asked her for date.

Who is she dating now?

A fucking professional swimmer. Dudes got fame I can't even begin to fuck with and financial prospects I'll have to be at my top-game for years to beat. I shit you not, dude will probably be in the Olympics. In a pure comparison, he is above her.

I'm pullin' five-star sexy, single moms, she's pulling professional athletes.

..We are roughly equals...

And, that is why it's hard being a dude.


Want to know something else? Right now I'm trying to plan the perfect first date in a city an hour away I've never even been to. Why? Because women love their shit tests for potential mates and she won't even give me a fucking hint about where to go. I oughta just take her to Waffle house, buy her some pancakes with some syrup, then flip her over like a pancake and spit out my syrup inside her.

[TheEconomist]

Oh no, boys, got myself a salty girl here. At least I had the respect to let her down easy, lol. This is what I get lol





I sent too many messages, getting too many responses and dates, starting to have scheduling difficulties, anyone need a secretary job on the side?

[Turalyon]

Just wanted to stop by and say that I'm thoroughly enjoying all of this. Nothing else to add except "keep up the good work, Eco!"

[TheEconomist]

[Gradius]

Do people really care that much if their girlfriend is intelligent? I mean it's a nice bonus but as far as I'm concerned their only job should be looking fine and going to the gym.

[TheEconomist]

In a girlfriend, no. In a wife, yes. She gotta contribute something or why bother? Get a girl that can compliment your money making, and you've got something that can be great. Plus, you know, dumb baby momma, dumb kids, dumb society.

[Visions of Khas]

Do people really care that much if their girlfriend is intelligent?

In the past two years I've dated, among others, a veterinarian, a pharmacist, an accountant, teacher, a psychologist, and a nuclear engineer (who was involved with the Fukushima Daiichi recovery efforts). So my answer is an emphatic "yes".

Plus, you know, dumb baby momma, dumb kids, dumb society.

All of us need to start stepping up our baby game to compensate.

[TheEconomist]

Like Joe Rogan said, we keep fucking all these dumb bitches and one day we're all going to wake up and there's not going to be anyone around that knows how any of this shit works.

In the past two years I've dated, among others, a veterinarian, a pharmacist, an accountant, teacher, a psychologist, and a nuclear engineer

But did you Smash though?

[Visions of Khas]

Uh, yeah? Chicks seem to like the soulful artist thing.