Why didn't the Confederacy activate the Psi Disruptor when Mengsk released the Zerg?

[TSCR]

I think the UED may have gotten their information from their research teams assuming their research teams were in the Koprulu Sector all along.

We only hear about their research teams when the UED is going to Korhal and their research teams apparently discover the Psi Disruptor on Tarsonis. If there's an all knowing bunch among the UED it's their research teams.

Alexei Stukov
We've just received word from our research team that they've uncovered some kind of hidden weapons relay upon the planet Tarsonis. They report that it's called a Psi Disrupter, and that its purpose is somehow connected with the Zerg.

Why would their research teams even be on Tarsonis, a zerg run planet? The UED were going to invade Korhal then.

The only other person who could have given the UED their information was Duran but I think he didn't want the UED to get their hands on the Psi Disruptor.

[Shadow Archon]

Yes, it is still a jump in logic when all your evidence for its existence comes after the fact/ due to hindsight bias. The problem with this is that it sets a precedent that other things about their history may not be concrete as well.

Well, agree to disagree I suppose.

Being compatible does not mean being part of the same thing or that they were always interchangeable. Terran psionics are only compatible with Zerg psionics because the conceit is that the Zerg force/make foreign things to be a part of them. The thing they force into the Swarm is inherently different, something they lack and potentially has a benefit to them. If it wasn't, they could just tinker with their own psionic genes to produce the psionics they wanted without bothering to assimilate the Terrans. That the Terrans, being only novices in how their own psionic potential works, is able to elucidate higher order Zerg psionics (which is what the Psi Disruptor disruptes) that are totally different from their own without even having a cerebrate (the Zerg main force was yet to reach the K sector at the time of these purported Confederate studies) to study stretches the already thin laws of that universe.

By Uprising, they were already in the Korpulu Sector for the past fifteen years and had infested mutliple planets.

Whether they had access to just Overlords or not, is unknown.

And again, why are we debating something they have done?

They did it, so its canon, so no point arguing it, right?

In WoL though I didn't make myself clearer enough the first time. The Overmind's plan and all actions leading up to it wasn't to assimilate the Protoss and to absorb their powerful abilities as its end goal but to outright kill them all. This guff about there being two Overminds with the original wanting to assimilate the Protoss and the Directive one wanting to kill the Protoss is an unnecessary complication that just confuses things and turns the entirety of the Overmind character into nothing more but an overwrought plot device.

Again, where is the direct quote that states the Overmind wanted to kill the Protoss?

What, so this is your definitive proof that the missiles can't somehow also be only able to fly at under FTL speeds or at light speed itself but somehow definitely faster? It's all assumption. Either way, this is all getting beside the point since I believe the EU has retconned this event into having battlecruisers in orbit firing the missiles on Korhal instead of being directly fired from Tarsonis. Maybe it was due to this particular issue of expecting Terrans to have FTL ballistic weaponry would make them over-powered whilst simultaneously seeing no evidence of their use anywhere else in the game when it should be expected of being so.

The two incidents are at odds with each other, and since there is no canon hiearchy, both are valid views.

It says these nukes were fired at Korhal from Tarsonis. They were fired from Tarsonis. This isn't an assumption. This isn't a guess. This is a fact. They were launched to Korhal from Tarsonis. So, they have to have their own Warp Space engines, just like Dropships have them, and they can be fired from another planet to another planet. It doesn't say they were fired from Battlecruisers in orbit above Korhal, that Uprising states.

So I can safely disregard the news reports and all that they say in WoL because it is obvious that they're really only there to invoke humour? Hawki will disagree with you.

None of WoL news reports, except for the lemon juice allergy, was a joke, so no, You can't.

Billions died, the Queen of Blade spreads, and Mengsk made an idiot of himself on the news.

[quote]Nice obscure reference that is next to irrelevant since it's never seen in-game or referenced anywhere else.[/qutote]

Does't have to be references elsewhere.

The Terrans have according to the lore and do use them, and apparently it gives them no advantage over the Zerg and Protoss.

One would expect widespread use of FTL ballistics if it was capable because of it's huge tactical advantage.

According to LC, their normal space weapons are already FTL or going at high percentages of light speed due to how they cross an AU quickly.

Fat lot of use these will do on something flying FTL. At that speed, you'd be better off (and cheaper given the expected exhorbitant cost of crafting an FTL drive for a missile) using a mindless missile rather than create a guidance package that will need to also work at and within FTL speeds. Also there is the expectation that for PD to be effective against such a thing would somehow have to a) fire b) predict the timing of when the FTL missile breaks out of FTL to deliver its payload and c) reach it before the missile hits.

Uh, wrong.

They are FTL yes, bu they aren't FTL in real space. They are probably using the most common FTL system which is Warp Space.

So the nukes travel through their rift and eject out of it going at normal missile speeds.

Huh? The Ghost is guiding the nuke - therefore ECM should be a problem.

Ghosts are guiding the nuke, yes. Depending upon how this system works, it can be away to get past ECM, because the nuke is going by preset coordinates and is not using any on board sensors that could be fooled with from an external source.

Also, are we to expect the missiles that Ghost direct are FTL?

No, you misunderstand.

If not, how come PD is not known in the lore to be effective against such a tactic?

Well, we've never seen a nuke fired at a really defended position before. So we don't know.

We just know that Apoc nukes don't let Terrans instantly win.

We only see nuclear blasts on char from orbit when your on the space station.

A FTL nuke could still possibly dig out those Zerg by "phasing" through before detonating.

Again, FTL through Warp Space. Not RealSpace.

Yes, but that's how you're defending their presence. You're saying their justified because of this obscure reference on this map or this one quote in a book. All that is saying to the not-so-hardcore fans is that "if you don't get it, it's your fault for not knowing this mindless minutiae".

Fair point.

I'll just be very clear then.

Starcraft is a science fiction.

Blizzard doesn't care about realism or consistency.

As such, their factions can do whatever the hell they want based on plot.

Does this mean some things are asspulls?

Yes. They are quite alot of asspulls?

Does this affect the quality of the story?

Yes, Yes it does.

Does this mean that hardcore fans will dislike it alot?

No. No it doesn't.

Because...I don't really care about the asspulls.

I played Starcraft since I was Four, so I don't care about it raping the laws of physics with a dirty shovel.

I'm sorry, but I just don't.

Blizzard has been doing a terrible job of this so far. That's where all the confusion is coming from.

Blizzard doesn't care about consistency.

That's one of the big problems.

Many of your arguments do nothing to address the notion that Terrans would be using sensor arrays throughout Terran space to relay information to them.

That assumes they are using relays. There are no mentions of them, and that would be an assumption you would have to prove. You know, with lore.

Korhal was a Core World, so why wouldn't Umoja have a spy satellite nearby?

The Spy Deck, again, mentions nothing about relays.

The Council also allowed Mengsk to use
the Protectorate as a base of operations, and to use the
Spy Deck as a somewhat archaic means of surveillance.
The imaging program contained detailed charts of all the
planets within the known systems. It was also capable of
charting the progress of freight ships carrying their valuable
cargo through the trade routes in real-time—a
primitive kind of “radar” system to be sure, but more
than adequate for Arcturus’s needs. It was here on the
Spy Deck that the Ruling Council of the Umojan
Proctectorate stood, their haggard faces revealing collective
concern.

It does so, directly.

Same with the Confederacy spotting Tassadar's fleet in the Sara System.

Again, assumes they are using relays.

The Norad picks them up on their sensors.

And the Protoss does the same, with their sensors.

Same with your reference to the Zerg and Protoss watching the Terrans before StarCraft - the Protoss are stated to 'routinely patrol' Terran space, and in one of those patrols they caught a Zerg deep-space probe. In either case, this is evidence that they needed to have someone/something within Terran space to transmit the information back to Aiur/the Overmind.

Given that two Protoss can touch hands, have a seance, and pop over a message from one planet to another through mind!powers!, they don't need realys.

And the Zerg are connected via FTL with their organisms. Every single part of the hive mind alerts the rest with their knowledge.

Just poking a piece of Creep alerts the Zerg everywhere to your presence.

The issue here is the way sensors work - they are inherently receivers. There is no problem with the notion that the Terrans can transmit information through warp space, or that they can intercept information coming from warp space. The problem is that your hypothetical sensors involve using warp space to "reach out" and gather information from distant places. The closest thing I can think of that would make sense with this is some kind of warp radar. But that would involve sending out something through warp space, to then exit warp space to bounce off something in real space, then go back into warp space to travel back to the point of origin. That sounds patently ridiculous.

That's what happpens.

Maybe they use particles that travel FTL through realspace?

Don't know.

Just know that alot of these platforms can pick up as radars at FTL speeds.

Now the notion that the UED sent deep space probes throughout the galaxy and these are what have been transmitting the information from the Koprulu Sector back to Earth is the most reasonable justification I've heard on this issue. However, there are a few problems with it. For one thing, it contradicts what we are told about the UED's source of information, which is that they were recording the Terran's every move since their exile from Earth. For another, they would have known about the Protoss and Zerg long before the Terrans, since Aiur, at least, is also in the galaxy (this entire notion makes the plot point about 'the secret location of Aiur' pretty incomprehensible too, if it were true).

The UED watched the entire battle with the Overmind.

I doubt deep space probes were the reason for it.

Also, why did they have to attack Braxis to 'ascertain the location of the Dylarian Shipyards'?

...No clue / inconsistent fluff.

[FanaticTemplar]

That assumes they are using relays. There are no mentions of them, and that would be an assumption you would have to prove. You know, with lore.

Actually, that's incorrect. Even if I had no backing for the notion of sensor arrays recording in real-space and then broadcasting the information to Terran headquarters, it would still be preferable to the similarly unfounded reliance on an unmentioned and unexplained magical technology because it requires fewer assumptions and, in fact, does not require casual dismissal of contradicting evidence as "inconsistent fluff". This is occam's razor.

But as it happens, this is not even an issue, because I can prove that the Terrans use space bound sensory devices to broadcast information, you know, with lore:

Such satellites are, in fact, present from the very beginning of StarCraft, one of them gets blown up in Rebel Yell's cinematic, Open Rebellion.

But lest you think this is but a relic of the past:

"SAT1 reports unusual activity in Char system, fleet put on alert" - from the news broadcast following Wings of Liberty's Liberation Day. See it here.

Incidentally, this is another example of your alleged interstellar live-spectating technology failing. If even the Spy Deck is archaic, then how come none of the Dominion's tech isn't capable of spying on Char, one of the Confederacy's Core Worlds?

And that's from the games themselves. Your position is at best circumstantial - no mention is made of sensor arrays on location because it's not useful to the plot, not because they don't exist - and at worse outright contradicts important events from the game. As I mentioned, even the Protoss and Zerg needed to get people/objects on location to broadcast information back home. There are examples of both the Dominion and the UED being utterly blind about things happening on Terran Worlds. I've already mentioned Char and the Dylarian Shipyards. What about the Raiders' attack on Valhalla in Engine of Destruction? If the UED was watching the battle on Aiur, how come they didn't know about Raynor, aka the leader of the only Terrans there? For a mission about subduing these alien species, you'd think they'd have paid attention to the Terran who would be most knowledgeable about the Protoss.

Oh, and I only play the games, and use that as my referent, but the wiki also gives me this: Satellite SS5467382-B is a satellite in orbit around Maltair IV. It recorded the zerg invasion of the planet. From StarCraft: Frontline.

[LestersPetZergling]

The UED had no clue why the Toss helped Raynor though (Emp's Flight briefing) BECAUSE Schezar got thrown off the planet shortly before. Doubt it was satilites above Aiur.

[Shadow Archon]

Actually, that's incorrect. Even if I had no backing for the notion of sensor arrays recording in real-space and then broadcasting the information to Terran headquarters, it would still be preferable to the similarly unfounded reliance on an unmentioned and unexplained magical technology because it requires fewer assumptions and, in fact, does not require casual dismissal of contradicting evidence as "inconsistent fluff". This is occam's razor.

Occam's razor is "the simplest explanation is often the right one."

Seeing that I just proved that the spydeck does operate like radar, it is no longer the simplest solution, because they do have the magic tech to let them bypass relays.

Sure, they do need them for some distances, but they do not rely on them completely.

Or this:

“None,” R. M. said. “I kept a good eye on it the first few hours, believe me, and I’ve monitored all communications. Last I saw of the Gray Tiger it was dead in space. Before we left I was able to mess with the ship’s systems enough so they’ll have no idea where our pod might have been heading. If I’d had a little more time, I could have entered a fake flight path, but I was trying to get out as fast as I could. Even so, I bought us a few hours.”
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“I see.” His voice was composed now, and he lowered his hand. “Well, it sounds like something has happened. Was there any evidence of an attack?”

Relieved to see his employer calming, Whittier turned back to the screen. His long, thin fingers flew as he called up image after image.

“Negative, sir. There is no debris in the area, no trace of enemy vessels. If the protoss had hit, we’d be seeing energy residue; if it was the zerg... well, sir, you know as well as I we’d be seeing floating debris and nothing else.”

The Gray Tiger didn't happen to be by any sattelite. The person, light years away, is bringing up images of the entire area around it.

That means information is going there and coming back to a source an FTL distance away.

But as it happens, this is not even an issue, because I can prove that the Terrans use space bound sensory devices to broadcast information, you know, with lore:

Such satellites are, in fact, present from the very beginning of StarCraft, one of them gets blown up in Rebel Yell's cinematic, Open Rebellion.

Okay. I didn't say they didn't use relays.

I said that in the instances I brought up there is no mention of them.

But lest you think this is but a relic of the past:

"SAT1 reports unusual activity in Char system, fleet put on alert" - from the news broadcast following Wings of Liberty's Liberation Day. See it here.

And where is SAT1 located at?

Incidentally, this is another example of your alleged interstellar live-spectating technology failing. If even the Spy Deck is archaic, then how come none of the Dominion's tech isn't capable of spying on Char, one of the Confederacy's Core Worlds?

Who says they didn't?

They have an estimated population and number of hives and so forth.

And that's from the games themselves. Your position is at best circumstantial - no mention is made of sensor arrays on location because it's not useful to the plot, not because they don't exist - and at worse outright contradicts important events from the game.

Again, Blizzard doesn't care about contradictions.

As I mentioned, even the Protoss and Zerg needed to get people/objects on location to broadcast information back home.There are examples of both the Dominion and the UED being utterly blind about things happening on Terran Worlds. I've already mentioned Char and the Dylarian Shipyards. What about the Raiders' attack on Valhalla in Engine of Destruction? If the UED was watching the battle on Aiur, how come they didn't know about Raynor, aka the leader of the only Terrans there? For a mission about subduing these alien species, you'd think they'd have paid attention to the Terran who would be most knowledgeable about the Protoss.

Its still canon.

Light years away, far removed from the epic struggle between the Protoss and the Zerg, the custodians of the planet Earth watched and waited. Unknown to the wayward Terrans in the Koprulu Sector was the fact that their every move had been recorded since their exile from Earth. The United Powers League, the vast bureaucratic institution that ruled the Earth and it’s sister worlds, had studied the slow advancements and hostile infighting of the Koprulu colonies for generations.

The UPL had borne silent witness to the founding of the Terran Confederacy and the myriad conflicts between the various Terran Militias. Overall, the UPL was content to observe their unwitting colonists without directly interfering in their affairs. It was only upon the discovery of alien species within the Koprulu Sector that the UPL finally committed to decisive action.

Never before had humanity encountered alien species of any kind. Thus, this unprecedented event caused a widespread panic throughout the UPL. Regardless of what happened to the expendable Koprulu colonies, the UPL could not afford to let aliens invade Earth. The momentous occasion brought many dissident countries into the UPL fold, thus expanding the powers of the organization and causing it to be renamed the ‘United Earth Directorate’. Taking a more proactive, militaristic stance in regards to alien affairs, the UED bent all of its considerable resources towards studying the aliens and their maneuverings. After monitoring the Protoss and Zerg for several months, the UED gathered data on the strengths and weaknesses of the two races. Believing that they were capable of countering any of the aliens’ attacks, the UED formed a military expeditionary force to put an end to the Koprulu conflict by any means necessary.

The expeditionary force, led by the brilliant Admiral Gerard DuGalle, had a secondary objective as well. Admiral DuGalle was ordered to take control of the Zerg Broods and use them to pacify Protoss activity in the Sector. In so doing, he would assure the survival and prosperity of Humanity throughout the galaxy…

They did monitor the Zerg, Protoss, and Terrans from light years away.

Just because they can monitor it though, doesn't mean they know names of people there.

Raynor had only one BC at hist command during that time, and Tassadar had his Templars at his command, a force that utterly dwarfs Raynor's forces.

They might not have even noticed him.

Oh, and I only play the games, and use that as my referent, but the wiki also gives me this: Satellite SS5467382-B is a satellite in orbit around Maltair IV. It recorded the zerg invasion of the planet. From StarCraft: Frontline.

Okay?

They use relays, but they also have FTL radar, like in Twilight, Liberty's Crusade, and Firstborn.

They can see something visually from about an AU away, a distance that takes light eight 1/2 minutes to pass.

[Turalyon]

And again, why are we debating something they have done?

The whole point was to explain how the Psi Disruptor was a crappy plot device that had no merit or plausible reason for its existence at the time it was first mentioned and that the Terrans superior technological capability (the Protoss tech seems like crap in comparison to what the Terrans can do now) has only been inflated by material after Sc1.

They did it, so its canon, so no point arguing it, right?

You do know that by invoking "this is canon" you've lost all credibility for your argument, right?

As I said before, being canon does not preclude it from having logical arguments and criticisms leveled against it. Besides, you can call bullcrap "canon" as much as you want, the smell still gives it away.

Again, where is the direct quote that states the Overmind wanted to kill the Protoss?

Which one are you talking about? The real Overmind or the directive one or are they the same or different? They both have different agendas or the same according to some. Suffice to say, the "directive" is a product of the Amon who wants all the Protoss killed and since the Overmind is controlled by the directive, the Overmind wants to kill the Protoss... or not, because it's not the real Overmind or something. Ah forget it, this Overmind retcon is a pile of dren.

It says these nukes were fired at Korhal from Tarsonis. They were fired from Tarsonis. This isn't an assumption. This isn't a guess. This is a fact.

You should add "until it's retconned" which the most recent lore says otherwise I'd agree with this part. The battlecruiser thing is a fact, too.

So, they have to have their own Warp Space engines...

This is pure assumption.

None of WoL news reports, except for the lemon juice allergy, was a joke, so no, You can't.

Glad to know you can spot the difference. To some others, it's just bunch of mixed messages.

Does't have to be references elsewhere.

The Terrans have according to the lore and do use them, and apparently it gives them no advantage over the Zerg and Protoss.

There has to be more than one reference if you are to provide a convincing point. It's all just arbitrary otherwise - the Terrans have insane FTL ballistic weaponry which would easily decimate anything but it just happens to be ineffective because it just is. Yep, makes a lot sense there.

According to LC, their normal space weapons are already FTL or going at high percentages of light speed due to how they cross an AU quickly.

This is definitely news to me and anyone else I'd imagine. Either way, it's another case of post-Sc1 addition since one would think something like FTL weapons would be something spoken about directly somewhere in the original Terran lore.

They are FTL yes, bu they aren't FTL in real space. They are probably using the most common FTL system which is Warp Space.

It's amazing how you got all this just from:

A salvo of one thousand
Apocalypse-class nuclear missiles was fired
at the planet of Korhal from the distant
Confederate capital of Tarsonis.

And before you say you didn't, let me just say that that is one of the points I was making in the first place.

So the nukes travel through their rift and eject out of it going at normal missile speeds.

I know that. A truly useful FTL weapon (which I expect the Terrans would want) would come out of FTL/warp space directly on-top of its target so that no PD would be able to counteract it. Unless you're now saying that Terran PD's now have warp space destabilisers that somehow bring the FTL nuke out of warp space for them to be shot down in an appreciable time. Will wonders never cease at this technological marvel that is the Terrans? Where do they get those wonderful toys?

Ghosts are guiding the nuke, yes. Depending upon how this system works, it can be away to get past ECM, because the nuke is going by preset coordinates and is not using any on board sensors that could be fooled with from an external source.

Better off using a "dumb" missile. If it needs someone or something to guide it, that will always be a potential source for ECM/hacking to take place especially when you're talking about how much the Terrans are in being ultra tech-wizards.

Well, we've never seen a nuke fired at a really defended position before. So we don't know.

Or, that there is no spoon... PD at all. The crappy nukes the Ghosts fire seem to get through when you use them in the missions against really "defended positions" and they're not going at FTL either. Oh, just realised that I crossed the gameplay/lore segregation line. Silly me.

We just know that Apoc nukes don't let Terrans instantly win.

No we don't. If they're really FTL as you say, they would be an instant win.

Because...I don't really care about the asspulls.

I played Starcraft since I was Four, so I don't care about it raping the laws of physics with a dirty shovel.

I'm sorry, but I just don't.

Science-fiction of any kind is a middle finger to the laws of physics anyways - but any fictional universe should have a set of rules that it abides by otherwise it'd be difficult to hold a measure of tension or to ever get a grasp of that universe because of its ever changing goal-posts. Logical progression and internal consistency of the lore does not mean having to keep within the "laws of physics" either. It's good to know that neither means much to you but it does mean debates (all in good fun, of course!) are much more difficult to have.

[FanaticTemplar]

Occam's razor is "the simplest explanation is often the right one."

Yes, and an extension of existing technology is far simpler than unexplained magical technology that creates multiple plot holes that need to be handwaved away.

The Gray Tiger didn't happen to be by any sattelite.

Evidence?

The person, light years away, is bringing up images of the entire area around it.

And funnily enough, it seems like just a post ago you brought up an example of the Norad II not being able to get visuals from a single astronomical unit away. Even if your sources were clear, which they aren't, they contradict our understanding of reality, the games themselves, and your own peripheral sources. Why should I be accepting this?

I said that in the instances I brought up there is no mention of them.

And when you read that someone was shot, lacking explicit mention of a bullet, do you take this as evidence that no bullet was involved?

And where is SAT1 located at?

Does it matter? The spy deck, which is described as archaic, can allegedly spy on Confederate core worlds in real time without the use of local sensor arrays. Char is a Confederate core world.

Again, Blizzard doesn't care about contradictions.

So? That means that you prefer to assume the most contradictory answer to any given question?

[Shadow Archon]

Yes, and an extension of existing technology is far simpler than unexplained magical technology that creates multiple plot holes that need to be handwaved away.

Both are existing technology however.

Just because one creates plot holes doesn't mean that it makes Occam's Razor works for your favor.

Evidence?

Jake looked at the console. “Any sign of pursuit?” he asked, trying to distract himself.

“None,” R. M. said. “I kept a good eye on it the first few hours, believe me, and I’ve monitored all communications. Last I saw of the Gray Tiger it was dead in space. Before we left I was able to mess with the ship’s systems enough so they’ll have no idea where our pod might have been heading. If I’d had a little more time, I could have entered a fake flight path, but I was trying to get out as fast as I could. Even so, I bought us a few hours.”

If there was a sensor in system anywhere close, it would have picked up the drop pod.

Sensors are only on the area when the Dominion are directly looking for it, thus that's why the ship's systems were sabotaged.

And funnily enough, it seems like just a post ago you brought up an example of the Norad II not being able to get visuals from a single astronomical unit away.

For a BC's sensors, yes.

It still was FTL as it was producing an image from light minutes away in real time.

Even if your sources were clear, which they aren't, they contradict our understanding of reality, the games themselves, and your own peripheral sources. Why should I be accepting this?

Because they are canon.

You can't just ignore the Spydeck "because you don't like it" in a debate about lore.

And when you read that someone was shot, lacking explicit mention of a bullet, do you take this as evidence that no bullet was involved?

Being shot, creates a hole, which leads to definite proof that a round was used.

Seeing an image light years away in real time with no mention of a satellite is not the same situation.

If you can't prove there was a relay in the area, there wasn't one, especially since we know they have sensors, several, that directly mentions people watching events in real time light years to light minutes away.

Does it matter? The spy deck, which is described as archaic, can allegedly spy on Confederate core worlds in real time without the use of local sensor arrays. Char is a Confederate core world.

And?

Your initial point was that they would need relays to transmit info in real space for warp space transmissions, and were saying the Terran's didn't not have FTL radar.

The Spy Deck, the UED, and LC all say otherwise.

So? That means that you prefer to assume the most contradictory answer to any given question?

No, I prefer to assume what is directly said.

They are directly stated to have FTL sensors that work like radar.

That's canon.

That's a fair game explanation in any other source.

[FanaticTemplar]

Both are existing technology however.

Just because one creates plot holes doesn't mean that it makes Occam's Razor works for your favor.

I'm pretty sure it means precisely that.

If there was a sensor in system anywhere close, it would have picked up the drop pod.

Sensors are only on the area when the Dominion are directly looking for it, thus that's why the ship's systems were sabotaged.

Fair enough.

For a BC's sensors, yes.

But... isn't the Gray Tiger also a Battlecruiser?

Because they are canon.

You can't just ignore the Spydeck "because you don't like it" in a debate about lore.

No, but I can ignore it because it contradicts other, more important information.

I mean, we're pretty much all ignoring that apparently Artanis was both Praetor and Executor of the Templar at the same time during The Stand and regularly chatting it up with himself, including a formal introduction. IT IS CANON. And apparently, the Cerebrate from Overmind lead the attack on Aiur while also being left behind on Char and killed by Tassadar. IT IS CANON.

Being shot, creates a hole, which leads to definite proof that a round was used.

What about magical unexplained technology that allows you to shoot people without using any form of bullet (actually a far more reasonable hypothesis than the one you're suggesting, actually...)?

If you can't prove there was a relay in the area, there wasn't one

I think not? If this were how arguments work, you'd need to provide evidence of your whateveritis warp-blinking particles/wave radar stuff, and if you can't prove there were any (or at the very least provide us with a name) there weren't. How do those whateveritis warp-blinking particles/wave radar stuff even go back into warp space given that this requires a warp engine?

And?

And the lack of use in situations where they would obviously come in use indicates that they do not exist.

[Shadow Archon]

I'm pretty sure it means precisely that.

No..it doesn't.

Both technologies exist.

Both are canon.

Occam's Razor doesn't net you that there are relays in the incidents where none are mentioned.

But... isn't the Gray Tiger also a Battlecruiser?

So?

We aren't seeing things from their sensors anyways.

No, but I can ignore it because it contradicts other, more important information.

And that's the game folks.

If you ignore canon, well, there's no point in debating.

I mean, we're pretty much all ignoring that apparently Artanis was both Praetor and Executor of the Templar at the same time during The Stand and regularly chatting it up with himself, including a formal introduction. IT IS CANON.

Artanis was the executor during the First Protoss campaign.

Selendis was the executor during the second.

And apparently, the Cerebrate from Overmind lead the attack on Aiur while also being left behind on Char and killed by Tassadar. IT IS CANON.

Uh, the Cerebrate that Tassadar killed was a different one IIRC.

Nothing links them.

And if they are the same, well too bad. It's canon. You can't argue with canon you don't like in a debate about lore. It is law. It is the rule. Canon, even when contradictory with other canon, is still right.

What about magical unexplained technology that allows you to shoot people without using any form of bullet (actually a far more reasonable hypothesis than the one you're suggesting, actually...)?

Wrong.

We have seen FTL sensors work in the lore before. It is canon.

There is no canon for guns shooting magic no-bullets.

I think not? If this were how arguments work, you'd need to provide evidence of your whateveritis warp-blinking particles/wave radar stuff, and if you can't prove there were any (or at the very least provide us with a name) there weren't.

Wrong.

The Spy Deck is direclty described using these sensors, which acts as radar.

It is there in the canon. It does exist.

They are just called sensors.

How do those whateveritis warp-blinking particles/wave radar stuff even go back into warp space given that this requires a warp engine?

Who says they even have to function by Warp Space?

They could just be FTL particles in real space, seeing that there is no mention of Warp space.

Zerg Acid spores can travel FTL distances to spread infomration to the Swarm and they can't travel through Warp Space on their own.

And the lack of use in situations where they would obviously come in use indicates that they do not exist.

Wrong. They do exist. Uprising proves it. Liberty's Crusade proves it. Firstborn proves it. Brood War proves it.

If they don't come up, they simply don't come up.