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[TheEconomist]

Micheal Bay's Transformers certainly didn't do so well based on merit.

Holy FUCK, how do you keep missing the damn point?

[DemolitionSquid]

Holy FUCK, how do you keep missing the damn point?

Because it's late and I'm le tired. As far as I can tell is that your point is gamers are unique in their griping which is just not true.

[Hawki]

I'm almost the exact opposite. Sure, I enjoy Isaac Azimov type books and Peter Hamilton for their realistic complexity, but I typically enjoy more liberal universes more. For example, I prefer Star Wars and StarCraft to Star Trek.

Read Foundation - found it to be decent, though its serialized nature made the narrative a bit iffy at times.

Not sure what you mean by "liberal" in this context. If you mean the ammount of freedom in said universe, I'd say StarCraft would be the tightest, as in, the smallest, narrower band of context, etc. If you mean liberal as in the rules of science...yeah. For all its technobabble, I suppose Star Trek would indeed have the hardest science of the three mentioned.

Nevermind that Mass Effect 3 is a great game, never mind that these boycotters got dozens of hours of enjoyment before they were hit with the ending, they're not giving the developers a dime because the ending wasn't perfect but they're going to play the hell out of it anyways. It's basically just a thinly veiled way to say, "I want to keep my money and this reason'll do."

I kind of agree, but what sets the ME3 example apart from others is that the ending we got was an ending that Bioware promised wouldn't happen. Promised different endings, our choices would matter, etc. We got some of that in the extended cut, but as good as ME3 may be, it was still a broken promise at best concerning the ending, or false advertising at worst. Still, while it's something that keeps coming up, I'm pretty much over it.

Another game I really wanted to be good, take Aliens: Colonial Marines, has gotten terrible reviews. I haven't bought it because of that. But apparently the entire game is bad start to finish, so it may warrant a buy once its price lowers. My hopes were high but they never teased me with 2 fantastic games before shoving shit in my face at the end.

Wouldn't that make Colonial Marines the worse offender though? With ME3, we at least got two good products, and a third that, ending aside, I don't think can be called a bad game. In contrast, not only is A: CM bad from start to finish, but was a victim of even worse deception through the demo. The full story is admittedly more complicated than that, but still, Gearbox and Timegate worked on the thing for six years, showed us a remarkable gameplay engine that was nothing like the end product, and charged full price for a game out of the PS2/original Xbox era?

Yeah, I'm more inclined to be peaved at Gearbox and Timegate right now.

Because it's late and I'm le tired.

Didn't know speaking in French was a sign of lack of sleep.

[DemolitionSquid]

As stated, I'm tired, I'm goin to bed. So I'll leave with one last thought.

I think the Bioware vs Gearbox argument has merit here. Bioware is the worse offender TO ME because I was more-or-less directly lied to. The other stuff is just icing on that. I don't feel Gearbox lied to me personally because I never played the A:CM demo, and I knew Duke Nukem was a failure much like DA2.

[TheEconomist]

Again, my point is simply this.

You cannot boycott something (pirate it) and then go play it for hours and hours and hours then honestly say they developers don't deserve some of your money. At best, they deserve a portion of 60$, but people rarely do that. They play a game for 30 hours, then bitch that they're going to never buy a legal copy for some bullshit reason that only has to do with a small portion of the game. Yes, ME3 ending was stupid, but if the game was so bad that you don't want to give the developers a single dime, you never should have gotten to the ending anyways.

if a game isn't worth buying (at any price), don't fucking play it. Or else you're a hypocrite.

[Turalyon]

^ And hypocrisy is supposed to have logical reasoning?

Keep in mind that for some people, there comes a point when blatant hating is the actual reason why people will continue to immerse themselves in the "hated" product. It's a well known phenomenon with regards to TV shows, called "hate-watching".

[Quirel]

Holy FUCK, how do you keep missing the damn point?

These days, I don't go to the movies.
I just pop a bowl of popcorn and read the arguments on this forum.

Again, my point is simply this.

You cannot boycott something (pirate it) and then go play it for hours and hours and hours then honestly say they developers don't deserve some of your money. At best, they deserve a portion of 60$, but people rarely do that. They play a game for 30 hours, then bitch that they're going to never buy a legal copy for some bullshit reason that only has to do with a small portion of the game. Yes, ME3 ending was stupid, but if the game was so bad that you don't want to give the developers a single dime, you never should have gotten to the ending anyways.

if a game isn't worth buying (at any price), don't fucking play it. Or else you're a hypocrite.

What if you bought the game on release day, played through to the ending, and found yourself unable to enjoy the game on repeat playthroughs?
I just frickin' returned the game, and played the Extended Ending with a friend's copy to see if it was worth re-buying at a reduced price.

^ And hypocrisy is supposed to have logical reasoning?

Keep in mind that for some people, there comes a point when blatant hating is the actual reason why people will continue to immerse themselves in the "hated" product. It's a well known phenomenon with regards to TV shows, called "hate-watching".

There are ten raised to the twentieth raised to the hundredth electrons in the universe. If every one of them were to be given a voice, and if every one of them were to shriek "Hate hate hate" for all of eternity, it would be but a grain of sand in the infinite desert of hatred I feel for Star Trek at this very instant.

Currently making my way through the movies, plan to watch the rest of the television shows later.

[TheEconomist]

Put the remote down, step away from the movie, and get yourself the hell outside.

[Hawki]

I think the Bioware vs Gearbox argument has merit here. Bioware is the worse offender TO ME because I was more-or-less directly lied to. The other stuff is just icing on that. I don't feel Gearbox lied to me personally because I never played the A:CM demo, and I knew Duke Nukem was a failure much like DA2.

No-one apart from a Gearbox staff member played the demo, so you're in the same boat as everyone else. If we're talking about lies, Bioware lied about the ending of a game. Gearbox lied about an entire game. I know that Gearbox doesn't deserve all of the blame (others would be Timegate and Sega), but they're the first group that comes to mind when I reflect on the end product.

Keep in mind that for some people, there comes a point when blatant hating is the actual reason why people will continue to immerse themselves in the "hated" product. It's a well known phenomenon with regards to TV shows, called "hate-watching".

I'll take your word for it, but I have a hard time imagine people sitting down and watching something they actually hate. Morbid fascination, or a "so bad it's good mentality" I can understand, but hate?

To give personal examples, I recently bought a copy of Resident Evil: Retribution. Not that I like how Anderson has driven the franchise into the ground, but because I have a morbid fascination to see who's dug the deeper grave - Anderson or Capcom. In contrast, I hate what Red vs. Blue has become, to the extent that I made a concious decision to simply stop watching at season 10, episode 10, and to apply this to writing and reading practices as well. The chances of me ever buying another RvB DVD and doing a "hate watch" session are about as slim as the series ever getting its dignity back.

What if you bought the game on release day, played through to the ending, and found yourself unable to enjoy the game on repeat playthroughs?

Well, you're entitled to, but if you play a game from start to finish, I'd say you got your money's worth.

There are ten raised to the twentieth raised to the hundredth electrons in the universe. If every one of them were to be given a voice, and if every one of them were to shriek "Hate hate hate" for all of eternity, it would be but a grain of sand in the infinite desert of hatred I feel for Star Trek at this very instant.

Currently making my way through the movies, plan to watch the rest of the television shows later.

Ooh, start with Enterprise. I guarantee your electrons will increase.

[MulletBen]

So, it didn't really seem that bringing Stukov back was entirely arbitrary, although they could almost as easily have infested any random terran commander and let Stukov stay dead. I was sort of expecting him just to show up in one mission, more to say "hey, guess what, Stukov's alive! K bye." But it wasn't like that. They could have easily done without bringing him back, as there was nothing about being Stukov that proved story relevant, but I liked that at the very least he participated in the remainder of the story.

Also, just to keep the fire burning, Trek > Wars.