Karune on Building placement

[Norfindel]

Misunderstanding, it's everywhere.
All this can be explained by this phrase: "Units go out of the building in the direction nearest the rally point you set, no matter if the building's door is pointing there, or not".
Setting a rally point = 1 click. Rotating a building = more than 1 click.

[Santrega]

Misunderstanding, it's everywhere.
All this can be explained by this phrase: "Units go out of the building in the direction nearest the rally point you set, no matter if the building's door is pointing there, or not".
Setting a rally point = 1 click. Rotating a building = more than 1 click.

DS wasn't talking about "one click". If you used one click everytime, eventually units will get stuck in building traps in whatever direction the rally point is set.

Thus, DS came up with their being waypoints in rallypoint setting, allowing you to set a waypoint for the unit to come out of the barracks in a direction it won't get trapped, and then reset a waypoint in the direction you actually want the unit to go. (Which if you look at his video, there really isn't any evidence to support waypoint rallying, as you can see the player moving the scv)

While building rotation would require a few taps of a key, and or a few clicks in placing the building. Your units will never get trapped because you have placed the front of the building to the outside of a group of buildings, allowing all units to come out untrapped. This also allows you to change the rally point location on all of your buildings at the same time, and only require one click to do so every time you do it.

The rally-point method, however, will have to be redone completely every time you want to set a new rally point, and it can't be done on all buildings at the same time, as different directions will get units caught in different spots. This is actually the more confusing method, and more time consuming. I don't know about you, but I certainly do not set rally points only once a game, however I would rotate each building only once.

[Dauntless]

Chill on the flaming guys, no need for that.

Anyway..


This is a really, really bad argument. Are you honestly implying that rotating a building is easier than setting a rally point?

DS wasn't talking about "one click". If you used one click everytime, eventually units will get stuck in building traps in whatever direction the rally point is set.

Well, only if you suck at placing buildings in the first place...

The rally-point method, however, will have to be redone completely every time you want to set a new rally point,

And how is this a bad thing? You CAN actually redo it, unlike building rotation.

and it can't be done on all buildings at the same time, as different directions will get units caught in different spots.

And you can rotate all the buildings at the same time? What?

This is actually the more confusing method, and more time consuming. I don't know about you, but I certainly do not set rally points only once a game, however I would rotate each building only once.

How is shift+right click -> right click (if you want the unit to emerge from the building a specific location) more time consuming than shift+left click -> rotate -> left click (while placing a building)

Rally points are way more flexible, easier and makes it easier to identify buildings compared to building rotation.

[DemolitionSquid]

Just close this thread. Everything Santrega posts lately makes my head hurt from its stupidity.

[HellishProphet]

Just close this thread. Everything Santrega posts lately makes my head hurt from its stupidity.

Mine too. I have no clue how rotating buildings will "help" in anyway. What he doesnt seem to understand is that no matter what, a unit comes out of the building in the direction of the rally point.

He argues that way would cause more traps and such, but how is a unit coming out of a fixed face(that you rotate during placement) gunna cause less traps? If anything more will happen due to the unit having to walk around the building when u change the rally point to behind the building.

[SpiderBrigade]

If you used one click everytime, eventually units will get stuck in building traps in whatever direction the rally point is set.

You mock at DS about building identification, but this is the basis of your whole point and it's just ridiculous. Seriously, how many times have you ever gotten your units stuck in SC/BW, in a real game? I've had that happen...maybe once, ever? Because I set my buildings up in a stupid fashion. Or, sure, you might see some units getting trapped in a game like this one, which is like one in a million. Yet you act like it's this huge recurring problem that they need to implement a whole new mechanic to deal with.

The rally-point method, however, will have to be redone completely every time you want to set a new rally point, and it can't be done on all buildings at the same time, as different directions will get units caught in different spots. This is actually the more confusing method, and more time consuming.

No, it's called the more flexible method. And again, the "rally-waypoint" thing isn't usually necessary in the real world, where most bases are not hazardous unit death traps they way you seem to think they are.

[Pandonetho]

Building rotation is unecessary. I don't know how this argument is still going on.

[mr. peasant]

Unnecessary? Yes. But is it detrimental? It certainly improves aesthetics, particularly with regards to campaigns and UMS design. Sometimes, features can appear purely for the sake of looking pretty, such as having SC2 in 3D for instance.

[Nicol Bolas]

It certainly improves aesthetics, particularly with regards to campaigns and UMS design.

In what way does it improve aesthetics? Indeed, it hurts aesthetics, because now they have to spend time and effort modeling the back of these buildings to look as good as the front.

[mr. peasant]

By allowing buildings be built/positioned at different angles, a more 'realistic' layout can be made for bases in campaigns. This is particularly useful for, though not limited to, RPG-style maps.

As for the amount of effort on modeling the unseen back portion of the buildings, they already need to. As in WC3, I'm pretty sure the camera can rotate 360 degrees.