Karune posts regarding PC, Batch 53, and YouTube (09/25/09)

[ArcherofAiur]

You're clearly pro-mindless-busywork. Or at the very least, willing to settle for such things.

Lets see who is really pro-mindless-busywork. You claim that making workers is this incredible decision making mechanic. Its not. Aside from a couple very very limited instances you always want to be making workers (as TorP). The vast majority of the time its oh 30 seconds have gone by=make worker. Youve just convinced yourself this isnt so to further your crusade against PC.

A few isolated incidences when you dont want to make workers doesnt mean the mechanic as a whole has good decision making. If it did then the early game where you only have one Obelisk and you cast Shield Recharge to defeat an attack would count. This is simiilar to cutting workers where you have a limited amount of resources and you may choose to sacrifice long term minerals for something else. Likewise the end game where there are no minerals and you choose to use your obelisks for shield/energy rechage instead of PC would count. This is similar to stopping worker production. At a certain point in the game making/using workers/PC becomes useless. You cant count one as good decision making and neglect the other.

[Blazur]

Lets see who is really pro-mindless-busywork. You claim that making workers is this incredible decision making mechanic. Its not. Aside from a couple very very limited instances you always want to be making workers (as TorP). The vast majority of the time its oh 30 seconds have gone by=make worker. Youve just convinced yourself this isnt so to further your crusade against PC.

Your point stands...having to make workers periodically is a necessary evil in this game, which to a lesser extent is as mundane as casting PC periodically is. So I ask the question: Why the hell would you want to add more of this crap into the game? It's bad enough we're already forced to make workers at a less than constant rate. Why add another layer of busywork on top of that?

Surely Blizzard can do better than this.

[ArcherofAiur]

Maybe we should replace workers with something better...

[Blazur]

Maybe we should replace workers with something better...

Don't be ridiculous...workers aren't going anywhere dude. It's become accepted in the genre and is an integral part of the game. Sniping workers is a core strategy for crippling economy, and without them this game would drag on.

PC is a contrived experiment in an attempt to add depth to the game. While it succeeds in adding clicking and attention, I'm convinced it fails at adding gameplay improvements. Let's not make playing Protoss a chore.

[ArcherofAiur]

Why cant we make them autocast? Why should I have to repeatedly cast them every 30 seconds? Why do I have to put up with this mindless busywork when Blizzard can do better?

[Blazur]

Why cant we make them autocast? Why should I have to repeatedly cast them every 30 seconds? Why do I have to put up with this mindless busywork when Blizzard can do better?

Alright, are you trying to make a point or just be obnoxious? Because honestly at this point I cannot tell the difference.

I think I'm done with this conversation with you. But mark my words now...Proton Charge will change before beta concludes. Blizzard isn't stupid. And when that happens perhaps you might find solace in The Sims, a game which rewards players for mindless tasks needing to be performed regularly.

[ArcherofAiur]

Proton Charge will change before beta concludes.

I agree with you. For like the tenth time Im not in PC's court. Im merely pointing out what happens when you apply certain reasoning to other aspects of an RTS. Under the logic you guys are using I see no reason making workers should not be able to be autocast. You would still have worker harass and players wouldnt have to do this mindless busywork all game.

[sandwich_bird]

PS: Just for shits and giggles though... I think you should try it.. I still believe the additional resources wont really change the game that much, because the computer will harvest minerals faster than it produces units as well.

Ok I will. Not sure on which map though. I'm not gonna use any iccup map, I'll use boxer.

EDIT 1:God it's been a while since I made ums... well Test #1 is underway, if you want the map just ask and I'll upload it.

EDIT 2: Those AI are really an epic fail... They send the probes to the center of the map and mine there plus they build their base in the center too. WTF, will have to try to fix that somehow...

[Santrega]

Ok I will. Not sure on which map though. I'm not gonna use any iccup map, I'll use boxer.

EDIT 1:God it's been a while since I made ums... well Test #1 is underway, if you want the map just ask and I'll upload it.

EDIT 2: Those AI are really an epic fail... They send the probes to the center of the map and mine there plus they build their base in the center too. WTF, will have to try to fix that somehow...

Yeah, its a real pain in the rear trying to get them to do what you want :-/

If at some point you get fed up and quit, upload the map and I'll see if I can make the computer play normally.

[sandwich_bird]

Yeah, its a real pain in the rear trying to get them to do what you want :-/

If at some point you get fed up and quit, upload the map and I'll see if I can make the computer play normally.

It seems ok now. I had to remove the minerals in the middle of the map. My only concern right now it that they don't fully use the advantage of the mineral boost but w/e, we'll see what happen.

EDIT: Well it might not be ok... The builded their 12 zealots but I don't think they are gonna attack each other... I'll make the game run a little bit more and see if they decide to fight

EDIT 2: Here's the map http://uploading.com/files/eb424394/TEST.scm/ maybe you can make it work correctly but I don't think we'll be able to do anything with it if the AI doesn't want to use the mineral boost.