any thoughts about the UED(spelling)?

[Sarov]

Um, he was shot, and then he talked a bit before he died.

If the gun that shot him was really powerful enough to make him explode, he would be dead instantly.

So no, he didn't explode.

What I meant was "Even if he had exploded... [insert sentence here]."

But yeah, he did die pretty slowly.

[Pandonetho]

My bad, my post was directed at Ragsash.

[Visions of Khas]

Before Blizzard started recapping events of the BroodWars, I had assumed that the UED has fielded a massive fleet to the purpose of pacifying the Koprulu Sector. Why wouldn't they accrue enough forces for such a task? Why send their greatest commanders? You may state that sending off the greater part of a country's military forces would be counterproductive, and that the label of "Expeditionary force" denotes small. The American Expeditionary Force during World War I in the european theatre was composed of one million troops....


Then Blizzard screwed with my logic. Damnit, Chris Metzen.

[Kimera757]

On Stukov being shot...

It was clearly (from the sound) done with a small-caliber pistol. Stukov probably slowly bled to death, which explains how he could talk. (Duran would have been smarter to have shot him repeatedly in the head.)

And the "massive fleet" that you mention was only composed of 3 division ( UED Genetic Engineers , UED Pyrotechnic Engineers , UED Security Guards )

As mentioned by myself at StarCraft II Armory, this is wrong. Those are small special units, probably company-sized or smaller. (You also forgot Stukov's Elite Guard.)

There were two big "wings" - Atlas and Cronus.

[Perfecttear]

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200 billion is kind of high....I calculated 40 billion myself.

I didn't calculate, there was an article quite a while back, that i read, that also included posts by a blizzard lore writter that stated that the earth populatin increase tenfold -"i think that's how it's spelled" after the events of creating UPL ( by expanding heavily into the space and creating new colonies, since there was no more room on Earth), and the start of the terran colonies.... So by fact we know that the Earth population was stated to be 23 bilions in the 23 centuary, so multiply that by 10

Eh? Those 3 "divisons" were simply special soldiers assigned to oversee the control of the Overmind - I don't think that has anything to do with their actual fleet makeup. Their fleet was comprised of two separate units for ground & air combat, Atlas Wing & Cronus Wing.

I understand that, i only wanted to say that the majority of al the ued forcess were conscripted, and not the original ued army.

That was a Dominion colony though.

Did i say it wasn't?

Where did you hear that the UED was outnumbered 4 to 1?

I will try to find the actual arcticle, but even so you can find that the ued was "greatly" outnumbered by the Dominion forcess, by just reading the wiki.

Where did you hear this? O_o

Comon sense
Why would they make videos for the Earth, if we know that it takes years for an message to reach Earth, and that the Earth never recieved any information from the fleet, and what hapened to it. So looking by that, you can easily conclude that the messages were meant for the terran population, that they were heavily conscripting.

To be fair, the Earth colonies might not be that militaristic. We don't know what the situation is back on Earth either; remember, there are still dissident countries.

But by just looking at it's history you can see it is heavily militaristic, and yes i know that some south american countries and some colonies didn't join the UPL , even more the reason why it would be militaristic.

[Gradius]

I didn't calculate, there was an article quite a while back, that i read, that also included posts by a blizzard lore writter that stated that the earth populatin increase tenfold -"i think that's how it's spelled" after the events of creating UPL ( by expanding heavily into the space and creating new colonies, since there was no more room on Earth), and the start of the terran colonies.... So by fact we know that the Earth population was stated to be 23 bilions in the 23 centuary, so multiply that by 10

That just sounds like conjecture though. I don't recall any source saying it increased by 10. Also, 200 billion is still possible, and ~40 bil is near the low end.

but even so you can find that the ued was "greatly" outnumbered by the Dominion forcess, by just reading the wiki.

But where?

Comon sense
Why would they make videos for the Earth

To report on their progress. The UED was only founded because they're all paranoid about aliens invading. The point of the video was to say "don't worry about aliens invading." Also, the video wouldn't have said that the Overmind was "believed to be planning the invasion of the Earth itself" or included Stukov if it wasn't addressed to the inhabitants of Earth. Why would conscripts care about any of those things? And why would they even need a video when they're right there? O_o

if we know that it takes years for an message to reach Earth

We don't know that though. The UED is probably using faster-than-light transmissions.

and that the Earth never recieved any information from the fleet, and what hapened to it. So looking by that, you can easily conclude that the messages were meant for the terran population, that they were heavily conscripting.

We don't know that they didn't receive information from the fleet, just that "No UED vessel ever made it back to Earth to report what had transpired." The only information they "didn't receive" was the status of the UED fleet after their defeat by Kerrigan. We don't know if they did or did not send an actual signal though. Take Dugalle's letter for instance - why would he write it if he didn't think his wife would receive it?

But by just looking at it's history you can see it is heavily militaristic, and yes i know that some south american countries and some colonies didn't join the UPL , even more the reason why it would be militaristic.

Right, but if they're militaristic it means they've been fighting wars against each other, which means their military has suffered heavy losses. I'm not saying they wouldn't be powerful, but I doubt they simply send a fleet "1000 times the previous size."

[Perfecttear]

That just sounds like conjecture though. I don't recall any source saying it increased by 10. Also, 200 billion is still possible, and ~40 bil is near the low end.

Okay the exact numbes are not that really important, but still any way you look at it, the UED HEAVILY outnumbers the terran forcess. And if you use the same population growth for both groups, that people use for the terran, the 200 actually becomes a very low number.

But where?

Seriousllly? I thought it was public knowledge, that the Dominion outnumbered the UED forcess? There are probaly multiple sourcess stating this, as for the wiki, just read the "UED Expeditionary Fleet" site part

To report on their progress. The UED was only founded because they're all paranoid about aliens invading. The point of the video was to say "don't worry about aliens invading." Also, the video wouldn't have said that the Overmind was "believed to be planning the invasion of the Earth itself" or included Stukov if it wasn't addressed to the inhabitants of Earth. Why would conscripts care about any of those things? And why would they even need a video when they're right there? O_o

That completely depends on how you look at it. And it doesnt help, that different lore sourcess are saying differrent things, and some lore from blizzard itself, doesn't make sense i'm even having problems understaning it myself, some of the ued lore doesn't make sense with the Broodwars campaign and vice versa.

We don't know that though. The UED is probably using faster-than-light transmissions.

The key point being "probaly".

We don't know that they didn't receive information from the fleet, just that "No UED vessel ever made it back to Earth to report what had transpired." The only information they "didn't receive" was the status of the UED fleet after their defeat by Kerrigan. We don't know if they did or did not send an actual signal though. Take Dugalle's letter for instance - why would he write it if he didn't think his wife would receive it?

The same as i alredy said, and you did to, we don't know for sure, since some lore doesn't make sense, so let's just leave it at it.

Right, but if they're militaristic it means they've been fighting wars against each other, which means their military has suffered heavy losses. I'm not saying they wouldn't be powerful, but I doubt they simply send a fleet "1000 times the previous size."

Probaly not , but that was not my point to begin with, i just wanted to say that the ued was not defeated, and they still have a very large army. ( Since you actually find people that think that the whole earth army was defeated)

[Sarov]

( Since you actually find people that think that the whole earth army was defeated)

That is definitely very strange, Perfecttear.

I think they might be confused with how Kerrigan hunted down the rest of the fleet and destroyed it (DuGalle committing suicide of course).

[Visions of Khas]

since it primary role was exploration, to explore the "romoured" thread of aliens in that sector, and then make action based on the info.

"Rumoured"? This is what I take issue with. The BroodWar Chronicles led us to believe the UED already had a lot of information regarding Protoss and Zerg force consistency and movements. To send in a small volume of "elites" and select military technologies, to the task of "pacifying" alien resistance and subsuming militant colonies into the whole of the UED, strikes me as very silly.

[Gradius]

Seriousllly? I thought it was public knowledge, that the Dominion outnumbered the UED forcess? There are probaly multiple sourcess stating this, as for the wiki, just read the "UED Expeditionary Fleet" site part

Well, that part sources the Emperor's Fall mission. But there is nothing in that mission which says that they were outnumbered, only that the Dominion's standing forces are substantial. I don't think the Dominion would be considered "under siege" as it says in the mission if they outnumbered their attackers. I'd say it's a mistake on the wiki writer's part.

That completely depends on how you look at it. And it doesnt help, that different lore sourcess are saying differrent things, and some lore from blizzard itself, doesn't make sense i'm even having problems understaning it myself, some of the ued lore doesn't make sense with the Broodwars campaign and vice versa.

Well, what lore are you looking at?

The key point being "probaly".

I think it's safe to say most factions have FTL transmission capabilities, as I'm sure lots of stuff wouldn't make sense. Tassadar himself managed to contact the Protoss on Aiur from Char using only the power of his & Zeratul's mind. :P