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    Default Some calculations.

    This is just some scalings/calculations I did in the past. Not as good as, say l33telboi's C-14 Gauss Rifle, but still some hopefully informative.


    "Baneling Explosiveness"


    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Wide
    Private Ayers:

    Why the zerg would want to absorb a local mold into their potpourri of genetic features was beyond me.

    Maybe this wasn’t deliberate. An alien infection caused by some?? insidious algae? Ha. I doubted that anything could get through the bio-defenses of these monsters, but it was possible. I decided to dissect one of the smaller blisters, an angry green specimen the size of my fingertip. I charged up the med-laser and made a small incision.

    Captain Gentry:

    And?

    Private Ayers:

    And I woke up two hours later in the med-bay with my skin burning. Lieutenant Orran was standing over my gurney, his face sick with worry. He told me how the grenade had brought him running, how he had found me underneath a collapsed wall in the next room. That’s when I glanced down and saw the remnants of my suit. The entire right side looked like a candle that had been held to a flame: the armored plates had been fused together. The lieutenant told me that, the next time I wanted to “off” myself, I should remove my armor first. Yeah, he’s a funny guy.

    I asked him to take me to my quarters. Either Lieutenant Orran was feeling pity or he had just given up fighting me, because he ducked under my arm and half dragged, half carried me from the med-bay. My room had been flattened, with the walls blown out in all directions. I was lucky to have survived.

    “This wasn’t a grenade,” I told the lieutenant. “It was a blister.”

    He laughed, convinced that I’d gone insane. I asked him to explain how I had managed to find an acid grenade in my quarters. He supposed that I’d cobbled it together from parts of my suit: they’d found pieces of my makeshift lab scattered throughout the wreckage. I could hardly fault him, you know. Who would believe my story about vicious alien pustules?

    In the end, I was confined to another room with Private Delme on constant watch. My skin blistered, cracked, and then started peeling; you can still see the patches on my hand here. I told the private about my worries, about the need to broadcast what was happening here. I told her that maybe news of a new zerg mutation would get somebody to listen to us.

    She only nodded, smiled, and then focused on cleaning her sidearm. Delme must have cleaned that stupid thing a dozen times over the next few days.
    Now, a fingertip sized pustule here is compared to a grenade. It blows out all four walls and knocks a person in power armor into the next room. IIRC, a megajoule is roughly the amount of energy a modern day hand grenade has. While a fingertip depends upon who the person is to get an exact estimate (the end of my finger is about 1 cm wide ), I'll go with two centimers wide, basing it roughly off my father's finger. Assuming it's spherical and not oddly shaped you have a volume of 4.19 cm^3. Now a Zergling is described to be in the RPG one meter long. While some show Zerglings being much bigger (bigger than a man in power armour in some cases), we will use this number since its a stated figure. Assuming this length carries over to a Baneling, we can use that figure to get somewhere.



    I'm using this model since it is the nicest one for Paint figuring. Here, I'm assuming each "bubble" is it's own bubble and not part of one large sack inside of the Baneling. I'm assuming the large one to the far left, and the two smaller one's to the far right are perfect spheres. I know there is some irregularities, but it's the closest I can get to it. The four in the middle, I assume are Ellipsoids. For sake of simplicity, I assume the height is one-third of the width. I'll try getting it later if I get to play with the 3d model hopefully in December.

    The formulas I'm using are volume for spheres and ellipsoids:

    V=4/3*pi*r^3

    V=4/3*pi*r of width*r of length*r of height

    For the big bubble to the far left, I get 24,429 cm^3. For the two smaller bubbles to the far right, I get the combined volume of 34 cm^3.

    For the middle set of ellipsoids, I get a combined volume of 22,278 cm^3.

    Overall, that's a volume of 46,741 cm^3. One megajoule is equivalent to a pustule with 4.19 cm^3, so handy dandy cross multiplication gives 11,155.4 megajoules (11.1554 gigajoules) per Baneling. That is equivalent to 2.67 tons of TNT, which means five banelings have more explosive power than a single MOAB. This is the low-end as some of these creatures are much larger than one meter, and that assumes the first pustule was one megajoule.

    Terran Battlecruiser scaling


    Okay, the Battlecruiser is the main Terran capital ship seen in the series, and there are different sources of info on this. First, there is the most ridiculous quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uprising

    The edges of the planet began to fade out as the program zoomed in on the desert surface and now the assembly was treated to a first-person view, skimming along the planet's relatively flat surface until a massively tall, rotating windstorm appeared on the horizon. "It is known as the Fujita Pinnacle-a complex mass of conflicting pressure systems and staggering updrafts that have created what is, in simple terms, a stationary, volatile vortex of immense size and unlimited life. It is four leagues wide and over twenty high. To give you a rough idea, its diameter is that of two battlecruisers placed end-to-end, and its height is twice that of the tallest superstructure on Tarsonis."
    A league is generally about five kilometers. So that would make Battlecruisers over 10 kms in length.

    Now that the insanity is over, here is the scaling of a Behemoth from Starcraft 1, set in the year 2500:





    So about a kilometer in length. Which makes the Carrier also around a kilometer in length due to the "Return to Auir" cinematic.

    In Starcraft 2, we are given a stated figure in a cinematic:



    It states the length is 650 meters (thought it looked like 550 meters, but I looked closer and it looks like a six, someone else's opinion?). This is the Bucephalus, and while it looks like the Hyperion, which is a Behemoth, the Minotaur is the main class of Battlecruiser in 2504. So, I'm assuming it means the Minotaur.

    I did some rough calculating and it does fit with the new design given, so yay for them doing their math.

    "Protoss High End Purification Calculation"


    So, everyone remembers this image, right?



    Well, see how some of the beams seem to penetrate from one side to the other? I've decided to make a calculation based on that. Note, that is taking some assumptions and is meant to be a high end only and not a standard. This is not wank, as it is a calculation on material going off of a high end interpretation. I already did a low end one earlier so either are valid.

    I assume the planet is the size of Earth and that the material in question is completely silicon dioxide with the whole mass at a combined temperature of 25 C and I will only do a calculation pertaining to the mantle, not the core. This way I don't have to worry about calculating the melting or vaporization of materials already molten and other things such as percentage of materials that will get in the way.

    So, after creating a Frustum from the image and getting some numbers for scaling, I have this:



    Now here are some important figures:

    Volume of the Frustum: 6.13 × 10+17

    Silicon Dioxide's

    Density: 2.6*106 g/m3

    Molar Mass: 60.09 g

    Molar heat capacity: 44 J/Kmol

    Melting point: 1700 degrees C

    After doing the math with these figures (6.13e17 times 2.6e6, taking that answer divided by 60.09 and multiplying it with 1675 K and 44 J/Kmol) I get a yield in joules:

    1.95e27 joules.

    Convert it into gigajoules you get: 1.95e18

    Convert that into TNT and you get: 466,061,115,000,000,000 tons, or 466 petatons worth of TNT for a single shot.

    Now, lets add the Wank factor and assume it is vaporization.

    Boiling Point: 2,230° C

    So, the redone math gives you:

    2.569e27 joules.

    Convert it you get: 2.569e18 gigajoules.

    Convert it one more time for: 614 petatons.

    So, there's a high end only calculation for ya. Now, I will try to redo it later trying my best to take everything into consideration, such as the core and what not, but so many variables enters in at that point, well, it becomes way too muddled to do it."

    Other Firepower images:












    Just some estimates and math for fun.
    Last edited by Shadow Archon; 09-04-2012 at 04:42 PM.

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    Super cool!

    Just on the Baneling, I think they're a bit bigger than a meter long. There's only a couple of sources showing banelings compared with anything, but that's probably still better than using a figure for a zergling.



    Just art, but it's by Mr. Jack, during his official Blizzard days. They seem life more than half of the marine's size, so they should be a bit over a meter. Let me go look around for some HotS screenshots, though.

    All of the firepower stuff is great.

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    Zerglings are one meter tall. That might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawki View Post
    Zerglings are one meter tall. That might help.
    I thought they were one meter long, not tall? Going off the RPG that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Archon View Post
    I thought they were one meter long, not tall? Going off the RPG that is.
    Since their height varies based on the position the upper set of arms are in, the older zerglings could easily be as 'tall' as they are long.





    (If the second one was standing up straight instead of crouching, you could see it.)
    Last edited by Robear; 09-04-2012 at 06:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robear View Post
    Since their height varies based on the position the upper set of arms are in, the older zerglings could easily be as 'tall' as they are long.

    *SNIP*

    (If the second one was standing up straight instead of crouching, you could see it.)
    Ah, the Dune runners early version. I meant in accordance to their primary body weight, not their tendrils O' doom.

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    You ever seen Star Wars Technical Commentaries? That. We need to make that. For StarCraft.

    I love you, Shadow Archon. And kinda wanna have your babies. Brilliant math babies.
    Aaand sold.


    Be it through hallowed grounds or lands of sorrow
    The Forger's wake is bereft and fallow

    Is the residuum worth the cost of destruction and maiming;
    Or is the shaping a culling and exercise in taming?

    The road's goal is the Origin of Being
    But be wary through what thickets it winds.

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    Just did a little bit of work: based off of these calculations, one baneling has the explosive potential of about 22 Minecraft TNT blocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by topsecret221 View Post
    Just did a little bit of work: based off of these calculations, one baneling has the explosive potential of about 22 Minecraft TNT blocks
    How many tons is in one block?

    I thought it was one ton per block.

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    Oh.

    Just did some more digging to back up my math, and you're right. Nice catch :P

    http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/...e/page__st__40
    http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php?topic=6175.0

    Those were the sources I used. The former has more math backing him, so I'll go by his estimate. The latter is the one I was basing my (incorrect) calculations off of.

    The first one also states that one block of TNT weighs slightly more than one ton. My math was probably thrown off by the fact that I forgot how many pounds are in one ton. :P

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