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[Robear]

The scale of that Dragoon is bothering me. Unless Fenix was curled up into the fetal position, there's no way he'd fit into that things core if he was the same height as the other Protoss shown.

So basically, we discussed this about 5 pages ago and everyone agrees with you, except the one cinematic that that dragoon appears in, where it barely looks big enough for a human in a fetal position.



Should I just make it a bit bigger anyway, since everyone's thinking it? Wouldn't be the first time I've contradicted Blizzard. :/

Also, I did a sketch for Raszagal, but I'm not sure if I like it. What do you guys think? Not sure if her outfit fits the Matriarch.



Lastly, I really like this outfit from Frontline, but don't have anyone to give it to:



Canonically it belongs to a Praetor, but, here's a thought, maybe I'll give it to the Preserver. It looks like something a Preserver would wear, with the general lack of armor.

[Visions of Khas]

I really like your design for Raszagal. Just bring her back a wee little bit so she doesn't look she's going to topple forward. Or give her a cane or staff thingy to balance her out.

[Robear]

Yeah, I knew I'd have to straighten her a bit as I was drawing her. Here's what I got:



Still not so enthusiastic about her design... But if you guys like it it'll stay.

[Turalyon]

Should I just make it a bit bigger anyway, since everyone's thinking it? Wouldn't be the first time I've contradicted Blizzard. :/

Given the rest of your drawings were originally about realistic proportions (well, as much as one can expect from this) to start off with, I would consider it. However, I'd imagine that Dragoons would vary in size depending on how much of any given Protoss body is still intact and the general willingness of a Protoss to lop off limbs because otherwise we'd have to assume that all Dragoon pilots would require amputation of limbs and/or their entire torso to become one. Then again, it would be pretty hardcore (badass or crazy? you decide) for any Protoss to voluntary undergo such a process as well as then spending the rest of their lives stuffed into a cramped shell with no room to even turn around in (do Protoss get claustrophobic?).

Are you going to draw a pre-Dragoon Fenix? I'd imagine him to be a much larger Protoss (not necessarily taller but maybe that too) than Zeratul, Aldaris or Selendis. Maybe he'd need his own unique Dragoon design given his "hero" status as well. Sorry if that means more work for you...

Also, I did a sketch for Raszagal, but I'm not sure if I like it. What do you guys think? Not sure if her outfit fits the Matriarch.

What's wrong with it? She's "royalty", so it justifies the gaudiness I suppose.

I know that Protoss have freakishly large hands that are bigger than their head to begin with but it seems odd is that Raszagal's hand/fingers seem to be much larger/longer in proportion/relation to her body compared to the hands (in relation to the body) of the other Protoss. Maybe it's just me?

[Robear]

Given the rest of your drawings were originally about realistic proportions (well, as much as one can expect from this) to start off with, I would consider it. However, I'd imagine that Dragoons would vary in size depending on how much of any given Protoss body is still intact

Now this is an interesting idea!

...and the general willingness of a Protoss to lop off limbs because otherwise we'd have to assume that all Dragoon pilots would require amputation of limbs and/or their entire torso to become one. Then again, it would be pretty hardcore (badass or crazy? you decide) for any Protoss to voluntary undergo such a process as well as then spending the rest of their lives stuffed into a cramped shell with no room to even turn around in (do Protoss get claustrophobic?).

I'm sure that if their original limbs were recoverable they could just keep serving as zealots and then eventually high templar; only the paraplegics or really torn apart ones would become dragoons. I had a theory when I was younger that Zealots actually already have had their legs like 90% removed and replaced with robotic ones anyway, since they were so completely disjointed from their hips and didn't look like they had enough room for ankles in that armor— plus the Zealot Legs upgrade. Like, this guy clearly does not have a complete pelvis:



So, back when I thought their legs were already removed to begin with, it would have been no trouble just unplugging their upper bodies and dropping them into dragoons. But of course, that's not canon, the cybernetic leg enhancements have been replaced with charge, all the Zealot designs since (and the concept art then) have room for actual legs.

Are you going to draw a pre-Dragoon Fenix? I'd imagine him to be a much larger Protoss (not necessarily taller but maybe that too) than Zeratul, Aldaris or Selendis. Maybe he'd need his own unique Dragoon design given his "hero" status as well. Sorry if that means more work for you...

I could. I'd end up adhering pretty closely to the SC1 Zealot armor, as seen in the Fall of Fenix cinematic, since, you know, that's him. But this dragoon, while it's modeled after the general BW dragoon, is unique to him, since I've got the 2nd SCG/bottom of the immortal design for the main chart. A much lower-res drawing— but also a much larger body/leg ratio.



So anyway this BW one is already being used as a unique dragoon.

On Raszagal:

What's wrong with it? She's "royalty", so it justifies the gaudiness I suppose.

I know that Protoss have freakishly large hands that are bigger than their head to begin with but it seems odd is that Raszagal's hand/fingers seem to be much larger/longer in proportion/relation to her body compared to the hands (in relation to the body) of the other Protoss. Maybe it's just me?

Yeah, nothing's wrong with it in particular or I wouldn't have drawn it, I just don't feel confident in its design reflecting her character the way I do about Zeratul's cape, or DuGalle's full-length coat. Like, is gaudiness something that a thousand-year-old Protoss would do? I kind of did that for Aldaris, who's a bit vain, but maybe Raszagal should be more simplistic, like an ascetic. I dunno, so far 2 people think the outfit is fine.

And yes, I did consciously give her freakishly large fingers. While I was drawing it I was just kind of thinking of ways to make her look a bit older and creepier than the other Protoss, and I was remembering the super long fingers of the SC1 zealot above and decided to try it out, but I'll probably shrink them down, it's a bit much.

[DefilerRulez]

What about drawing the mercenearies of WoL, only Hammer Security and Spartan Company, they are really different if compared to the marauder and goliath basic unit

[Turalyon]

I had a theory when I was younger that Zealots actually already have had their legs like 90% removed and replaced with robotic ones anyway, since they were so completely disjointed from their hips and didn't look like they had enough room for ankles in that armor— plus the Zealot Legs upgrade.

One would have to assume their horribly misshapen pelvis and non-existent hip joint confers some advantage. I'd imagine the Purity of Form label would not be something given to them lightly if Protoss anatomy meant they were potential cripples from birth...

Not sure what you mean about the ankles not having room though. Given the shape of their legs, Protoss lower body armour would unlikely come in one piece nor be designed to "slip in/on".

I just don't feel confident in its design reflecting her character the way I do about Zeratul's cape, or DuGalle's full-length coat. Like, is gaudiness something that a thousand-year-old Protoss would do? I kind of did that for Aldaris, who's a bit vain, but maybe Raszagal should be more simplistic, like an ascetic. I dunno, so far 2 people think the outfit is fine.

The thing about Zeratul's design that sticks out to me more than his cape is that very long facial mask/rag that he wears. It seems quite impractical but I guess that's just part of his design I suppose

I think Raszagal's just right. She's nowhere near as flashy and fully decked out as Aldaris is (the bare skin helps I guess) which is good since the Nerazim seem to have this more earthy, Spartan feel about them but there's also enough to distinguish her as being someone of a certain station.

If anything, the only oddity is that jewel strapped around her ankle (the 2nd bend on her leg) - it's downward placement means it's stuck on her heel. Were she to crouch or sit, the jewel will be scraping along the floor.

[Visions of Khas]

Like, this guy clearly does not have a complete pelvis:

One would have to assume their horribly misshapen pelvis and non-existent hip joint confers some advantage. I'd imagine the Purity of Form label would not be something given to them lightly if Protoss anatomy meant they were potential cripples from birth...

I've done some anatomical studies based on Zeratul's cinematic model and "Orthos" concept art. Based on that, it almost looks as though Protoss have two "pelvises". You can clearly see the iliac crest on the lower abdomen where you'd expect a human pelvis to begin, and other hallmarks of the pelvic girdle. Then we have the larger "pelvis", which appears to serve as origin point for such muscles as the gluteus muscles, sartorius and rectus femoris; but curiously lacks a sacrum when examined from the posterior aspect.

I'll have to get home and scan my drawings to give you a better impression of what I mean.

Source: I'm a medical illustrator.

Yeah, nothing's wrong with it in particular or I wouldn't have drawn it, I just don't feel confident in its design reflecting her character

From her portrait it seems Raszagal simply wears a poncho and face wrapping, with none of the fancier regalia as seen in your Zeratai interpretation. Even so, I like the design.

[Robear]

What about drawing the mercenearies of WoL, only Hammer Security and Spartan Company, they are really different if compared to the marauder and goliath basic unit

I might. I'm sure a lot of people would like to see them, but it's a lot of work for me when there are still more units to add. Plus, if I'm gonna do two Starcraft 2 goliath designs, I'll want to do the SC1 and SCG designs too... :P Lots of work.

Not sure what you mean about the ankles not having room though. Given the shape of their legs, Protoss lower body armour would unlikely come in one piece nor be designed to "slip in/on".

It's just like, Artanis was my example of the Protoss body, right?



But in the original Zealot design, the leg armor gets incredibly narrow at the hinge for— well, if we're making this analogous to Earth anatomy and assuming they walk on their toes, rather than having an extra leg joint— their toes. The last joint, furthest down their legs:



There's just not room for Artanis' legs to get wider as they approach the feet in that armor. So kid-me was like "oh, those must be robot legs." But anyway, it doesn't matter, now we have designs like this with ample leg room.

If anything, the only oddity is that jewel strapped around her ankle (the 2nd bend on her leg) - it's downward placement means it's stuck on her heel. Were she to crouch or sit, the jewel will be scraping along the floor.

Yeah, I can just take that out, that's another thing that the Blizzard designs don't have.


Very interested in those drawings, VoK!

[Visions of Khas]

Oh right, we forgot about this depiction of Raszagal, didn't we?