Will the QOB return?

[Laurentian]

Oh I was just thinking of an explanation of how Kerrigan can be reinfested without being evil. Since the Overmind was under the DV's influence when he infested her she had this influence. Now that the Overmind is dead she can be reinfested (er...somehow) without the DV's influence. Since the Overmind created the Cerebrates then they would have had the influence so that could be a reason that Kerrigan killed them and the Second Overmind (Why Duran teamed up with Kerrigan to kill the Second Overmind is....a problem. I guess he could be good or the UED mindcontrolling it with drugs would harm the DV's plan).

However just before I started this post I realized that this doesn't make any sense since the Brood Mothers were created while she infested so they should be corrupted as well. Or Blizz can torture some explanation as to why the Brood Mothers would be free unlike the cerebrates. Well at least I tried.

[Turalyon]

Alas it could be true what with the artifact deinfesting her being merely a side effect and all. And I think this is pretty much the only way Kerrigan getting deinfested so she can reinfested without somehow being evil will actually make any real sense.

It's kinda funny that something needs to be so convoluted in order to make sense.

This, along with the implausibility of it actually happening just they way it did, is more reason for Kerrigan to not be reinfested, methinks.

I am a bit confused by what you are trying to say here. Are you criticizing my point or the writing staff?

Your choice of words is interesting considering that many of WOL critics seem to think that Raynor and Mengsk feeling and acting on more than one emotion counts as them being retconned and such. Personally I think the problem is more in the execution of these emotional changes rather than the mere notion of having an emotion other than "badass" being a flaw.

I wasn't criticising you. The comment was just a jokey, under-handed jab about the writers ruining the characterisation of Kerrigan. She was capable of feeling regret and weariness of her own actions in BW but based on what SC2 reveals, they seem to infer that she feels this way in BW because it was the human Kerrigan personality poking through her evil QoB personality. Puh-lease!!!

That's why we have broodmothers who are I guess basically cerebrates with more mobility, more independence and slightly more personality. And allows them to claim that HOTS is not a complete ripoff of BW.

Cerebrates would've had personalities (and possibly mobility and independence too) if they were given the opportunity to show or evolve them when they were still around. All we ever got from them in Sc1 was Daggoth stating mission objectives and Zasz being worried all the time before getting killed and then we never hear from them again despite hearing about them in BW before being written out completely. I think they would of had plenty of potential as genuine Zerg characters without having to redress them and calling them Broodmothers but eh, what can you do?

[Laurentian]

I recall that Metzen stated that Kerrigan's infestation and the possibility of reversing it would be important themes of WOL. Stupidly I should have realized this would mean that WOL would involve her deinfestation. That and that leaked image. I guess I refused to believe it since unless her deinfestation occured near the end of SC2 it was obvious to me that her deinfestation would serve no other purpose than to serve as an excuse to get her reinfested which I thought would be pointless and dumb. And WOL didn't help matters with the DEM causing it and the fact that this plot twist was rather abruptly and poorly introduced.

Anyway it turns out this is the only theme that actually amounts to anything in WOL. So it gets undone in HOTS then this theme was pretty useless? I notice he didn't mention redemption or anything but deinfestation. I guess technically themes of WOL don't carry over into HOTS but WOL is supposed to be the first third of a story and I'm not sure how completely undoing the important theme of part one in part two is really a good idea.

[Turalyon]

Anyway it turns out this is the only theme that actually amounts to anything in WOL.

In terms of significant story events I would agree with what you've said. However, I'm not entirely sure about it being the only significant theme - how about the theme of Raynor finding redemption by pulling himself up from his own bootstraps? I quite like this interpretation of WoL since it didn't necessarily require the notion of an artifact to get this message across. Unfortunately, due to WoL's preoccupation with the artifact and Kerrigan, Raynor's redemption is somewhat marred in terms of impact (and somewhat obtuse) because of the nature of the plot device and the convenience in which he's able to achieve it.

It also would've helped if the beginning of WoL had a lot more background instead of just starting like this:

Raynor: Grrr, Ima gonna fight Mengsk even harder and actually (read: miraculously) gain some ground on him, even tho I've been failing miserably over the past 4 years, cos he insulted me on TV while all I was doin' was mindin' myself and my whisky.

So it gets undone in HOTS then this theme was pretty useless? I notice he didn't mention redemption or anything but deinfestation. I guess technically themes of WOL don't carry over into HOTS but WOL is supposed to be the first third of a story and I'm not sure how completely undoing the important theme of part one in part two is really a good idea.

That's the potential problem I've already mentioned. We already know she's going re-power herself in HotS which already undoes "the artifact de-powered her" explanation. If she becomes the Queen of Blades again and is evil again,then WoL would definitely be a waste of time since the only remaining significant thing coming from it was 'Raynor finding his mojo again'. You don't need one whole installment in a trilogy to just say that.

[Laurentian]

In terms of significant story events I would agree with what you've said. However, I'm not entirely sure about it being the only significant theme - how about the theme of Raynor finding redemption by pulling himself up from his own bootstraps? I quite like this interpretation of WoL since it didn't necessarily require the notion of an artifact to get this message across. Unfortunately, due to WoL's preoccupation with the artifact and Kerrigan, Raynor's redemption is somewhat marred in terms of impact (and somewhat obtuse) because of the nature of the plot device and the convenience in which he's able to achieve it.

Yes you are right that his redemption is a theme of WOL. Just as you say it wasn't handled too well since he didn't really seem to change a whole lot. Seems he gets his mojo back just because some DEM shows up. Oh and he beats up Tychus, which um is what the crew was waiting for?

It also would've helped if the beginning of WoL had a lot more background instead of just starting like this:

Raynor: Grrr, Ima gonna fight Mengsk even harder and actually (read: miraculously) gain some ground on him, even tho I've been failing miserably over the past 4 years, cos he insulted me on TV while all I was doin' was mindin' myself and my whisky.

Supposedly originally at the beginning of WOL we were going to be told that the Dominion has just annexed Mar Sara. Not sure why they left that out since it would explain why Raynor would be there, why he is now plotting to liberate the planet and I would guess having Mengsk annex his adopted home planet would piss him off, hence his desire to put the "revolution into overdrive."

the only remaining significant thing coming from it was 'Raynor finding his mojo again'. You don't need one whole installment in a trilogy to just say that.

The other significant thing will be the Will Farrell/Bill O'Reilly news anchor guy going crazy and Seth McFarlane's sister taking over.

[DemolitionSquid]

The other significant thing will be the Will Farrell/Bill O'Reilly news anchor guy going crazy and Seth McFarlane's sister taking over.

At last, everything is right with the world once more. Obama 2512!

[Alex06]

She is not getting re-infested. That leaked cinematic is old, it's pre-production (and uses tons of placeholder models, as a result), it's likely not the final version of the script/scene, and it may just be a rejected suggestion for the ending.

With the whole battle focus concept, it seems ridiculous to have Kerrigan change between battle focuses and change from QoB to Human form that way, or for her to become a melee unit later on during the campaign, whereas she is a Human ranged tank at start, and keeping the same battle focus. It just doesn't make sense gameplay-wise, and it disrupts the player's experience. "Oh, by the way, now your hero unit is a melee unit and it plays totally different". Even have her unit change slowly over missions doesn't seem reasonable for gameplay mechanics; Doesn't matter if she really levels up and each level is represented with her regaining more and more of that infestation back. Do the mercenary units for the Terrans change each mission? No, they stay the same units, unless you upgrade the tech for the normal units, which affects the mercenaries, too.

From a gameplay perspective, it's just not going to work. That's why I don't see it happening. And yes, gameplay logic does affect the single player a lot, despite what proof of the contrary we may think we have;
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[Aldrius]

Um, even if she gets her old model back she could still be a ranged unit. She was a ranged unit in Wings of Liberty.

She is not getting re-infested. That leaked cinematic is old, it's pre-production (and uses tons of placeholder models, as a result), it's likely not the final version of the script/scene, and it may just be a rejected suggestion for the ending.

Except she uses her wings in that to attack Mengsk. So obviously she was intended to have at least her wings. Which is really the main thing distinguishing the two at the moment.

I would definitely not be so sure that she's not going to be getting back her old model as some of you seem to be, though.

I noticed something really wrong, though. Kerrigan's brood is orange, not purple. This is... inexcusable! Kerrigan's zerg are and always have been purple. (Even in WoL.) I'm guessing they mainly did this because of that orange glow they gave Kerrigan's model, but that can be changed! Bah!

[Alex06]

Um, even if she gets her old model back she could still be a ranged unit. She was a ranged unit in Wings of Liberty.



Except she uses her wings in that to attack Mengsk. So obviously she was intended to have at least her wings. Which is really the main thing distinguishing the two at the moment.

I would definitely not be so sure that she's not going to be getting back her old model as some of you seem to be, though.

I noticed something really wrong, though. Kerrigan's brood is orange, not purple. This is... inexcusable! Kerrigan's zerg are and always have been purple. (Even in WoL.) I'm guessing they mainly did this because of that orange glow they gave Kerrigan's model, but that can be changed! Bah!

Meh, it's still pre-prod, and it was done in 2009, so it may well have changed. Look at the marines, too, those models are Tychus' model.

As for colors, I agree, Kerrigan's brood should be purple. I guess they just want to keep Red Terran, Purple Zerg and Teal Protoss as the colors for each race when it is an enemy, whereas Blue Terran, Orange Zerg and Blue Protoss are the player colors for those races. Dunno why they went with that choice, though. Another weird thing is how Kerrigan, in her battle focus videos, that are played on the battle focus menu, appear to show her in Purple color.

(BTW - Green Zerg looks best, IMO)

[Aldrius]

Meh, it's still pre-prod, and it was done in 2009, so it may well have changed.

Yes, but she USES her wings. They're not just there. And they can't change things like scene direction in the middle of production.

If it's real, that's what her model will most likely be.

As for colors, I agree, Kerrigan's brood should be purple. I guess they just want to keep Red Terran, Purple Zerg and Teal Protoss as the colors for each race when it is an enemy, whereas Blue Terran, Orange Zerg and Blue Protoss are the player colors for those races. Dunno why they went with that choice, though. Another weird thing is how Kerrigan, in her battle focus videos, that are played on the battle focus menu, appear to show her in Purple color.

Well Raynor's Raiders were always Blue. I think Silendis' forces should have been yellow, but other than that, the reason we see Teal Protoss is because Raynor is blue. (Though I think Tal'darim should have been some other colour) The Dominion's always been red.

I really don't know WHY they chose to make Kerrigan's brood orange and everybody else purple. I think it was because of the previously mentioned orange aura they gave her model. Though as long as we didn't see orange zerg anywhere else that shouldn't be a big deal.

Having said that, Raynor's Raiders were red in pre-production, so maybe it's just a production thing. We'll see.