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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeraszana View Post
    hm...maybe it will show us just how much dear arty knew about valerians and raynors operations before and on char...it'll be cool to see how much of a sneaky bastard he really is
    Well I always found Tychus com spy ridiculous, but this novel might actually fix the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Blade View Post
    Well I always found Tychus com spy ridiculous, but this novel might actually fix the issues.
    yeah, and i do hope they show that jimmy did something to help tychus, i mean it is so absurd that he would know all about the suit being rigged and do absolutely nothing to help someone who is his best friend and saved his skin by sacrificing himself. okay i am a bit biased :P i love the thought of more fights between matt and tychus that was just too good
    Can't figure if Zeratul is trolling or...

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    Another Christie Golden novel? Given the title 'Secret Missions' I'm hoping that she'll be forced to write some action or battle related stuff. But given that she's written four novels already and proved that she'd rather write anything but such things I'm guessing it's a pretty forlorn hope.

    If there are battles in the novel then they'll probably read like something a fifteen year old would write when watching a multiplayer replay. "And then came marines and they fired on the zerglings and the zerglings died. But then came the Hydralisks and they fired on the marines and they died. But then came the siege tanks and they transformed and killed the hydralisks with their siege cannons," etc. Just like she did in the one big battle in the entire Dark Templar trilogy.

    Let Golden write Warcraft novels and leave Starcraft to people like Hickman, Dietz and McNeill who actually 'get' the universe. And are capable of writing interesting and fairly 'realistic' sounding battles.
    Last edited by l33telboi; 07-16-2011 at 04:21 AM.

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    Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but isn't it kind of moot to read books for battles? And using Golden's StarCraft novels as an example, where only Twilight's plot dictates that there should be battles at all?

    Like I said, opinion, but I've never been attracted to battles in novels, and if they're there, they should be pertinant to the plot. It's not the same type of medium as say film, where there can be action for the sake of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawki View Post
    Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but isn't it kind of moot to read books for battles?
    About as moot as military science fiction, or any fiction that incorporates warfare and combat. Which in my mind isn't even the least bit pointless because it's the single most interesting piece of entertainment. It's the reason I like the fluff behind Starcraft. Even the most common pieces of science fiction would be very lackluster without battles. Imagine Star Wars written by Golden, and featuring as few combat situations and fights as humanly possible.

    I want to see this put into text form. I do not want to see this put into text form.

    The essence of Starcraft is a mix of warfare and combat along with plot and characters. Golden tries to steer clear of combat situations as much as possible, and when she's forced to write them she glosses over them as if her plot and characters were more interesting. They’re not. It's like in Transformers where Optimus Prime and Megatron are duking it out but the camera is focused on Sam hiding in a nearby ditch for most of the fight. You can hear Prime and Megatron shooting and punching each other and you just want to grab the camera and point it in the direction of the action instead of a close up of Sam.

    And using Golden's StarCraft novels as an example, where only Twilight's plot dictates that there should be battles at all?
    That's the problem. The author is responsible for the plot and Golden writes plots that avoid combat and the like as well as she can. Author's like McNeill, Dietz and Hickman didn't. They blended the two perfectly. They created novels that felt like they were set in the Starcraft because there were siege tanks, there were marines and there all those other things iconic to Starcraft. What did Golden give us in Devils’ Due? Nothing. There are no marines, no siege tanks, no goliaths, no vultures, no zerglings, no zealots, no nothing. The closest you come is an angry marshal with a moustache .

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    Technically in tie-in media, it's more the host company responsible for the general plot with the writer filling it out, depending on how closely they work together. Can vary of course, but that's beside the point.

    Again, it's a case of agreeing to disagree. I like battles as much as the next guy, but there is a limit. Perhaps it's why, using Star Wars as an example, my favourite novels (granted, my collection isn't that large) are ones such as Allegiance, Outbound Flight and Revenge of the Sith-the first two for the well created plots and the last for the philsophical aspect and the heart wrenching looks into Anakin's mind. Hard Contact, which is military sf, stands as one of my least favourites. It's also why I like Star Trek as much as, if not more so than Star Wars-it doesn't need action to drive its plot.

    Moving onto the StarCraft angle, I, Mengsk stands as my favourite novel, though not because of the combat. Indeed, I found the Umojan battle the most superfluous, least interesting part of the novel. Instead, I liked it for the same reasons that Nova stands as my second-favourite SC novel-characters, pacing and for all intents and purposes, 'culture.' I don't believe that a SC novel has to incorporate units and warfare to be good anymore than, say, a Star Wars novel has to have Jedi in it to be classified as a SW novel. Novels like Shadow of the Xel'naga, The Flood and Knee Deep in the Dead stayed close to the game mechanics of StarCraft, Halo and Doom respectively. Suffice to say, they don't exactly rank highly on my list of favourites. Nor does Heaven's Devils for that matter-I can say that the battle scenes were very well written, but it didn't make up for the lack of character development IMO.
    Last edited by Hawki; 07-17-2011 at 07:35 AM.

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    The novel doesn't need to be back-to-back action, don't get me wrong on that part. Any good novel needs good pacing. I, Mengsk is probably the best of the novels in this regard. But at the same time a good novel needs the combat to stay interesting, and the combat needs to feel like it's Starcraft. And it needs to be good, plainly said. That's the problem I have with Golden. She avoids combat to the point where her novels are mostly just talking heads and generally dreadfully boring. And when she writes combat sequences they're terrible and/or not very Starcrafty. Devils' Due is the worst offender in this regard. It was both dreadfully boring and none of the battles gave you the feeling that this is Starcraft.

    I'm not suggesting a novel should read like it's straight from a game either. Quite the opposite. I already hinted at that when I said Golden's combat sounds like a fifteen year old boy writing a transcript for a multiplayer game. That's a bad thing. The author should look beyond game mechanics to how such a universe would work, lore-wise. This is why I brought up the authors I did earlier -- they were able to do this. Anderson and his Shadow of the Xel'Naga is the complete opposite of what you're supposed to do and remains my all time least favorite Starcraft novel. I'd go so far as to say it's little more then a pile of... well, you know. And Golden mimics his style when it comes to writing action and combat. Probably because she doesn't really know anything about armies and warfare, and just isn't all that keen on such things. Dietz on the other hand? He has experience with both, hence he know how to write such sequences (though I hear the stuff he did with Halo was somewhat bad).

    If Golden was a good writer in other ways I would be more forgiving. But honestly, her characters are childish and extremely two dimensional. Her plot? Well, it's impossible to tell how much of the plot comes from Blizzard and how much comes from Golden, but a train robbery and a casino/bank heist, really? As for characters, in Devils' Due we're treated to a Marshal with a thick moustache and an assassin with a robotic arm as the two main new additions. I don't need to tell you why the former is cringe worthy. Neither of them has any depth, both are stereotypical, not to mention just plain old silly. If I were to write a novel that featured said assassin, the scene would look like this. Because a robotic arm just isn't that dangerous when people run around with guns.
    Last edited by l33telboi; 07-17-2011 at 10:55 AM.

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    ive given her a lot of chances.....through out the dark templar trilogy and devil's due. im going to skip this one. not a fan of her writing style. I, mengsk and heaven's devils are the only good recent sc2 books

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior6 View Post
    ive given her a lot of chances.....through out the dark templar trilogy and devil's due. im going to skip this one. not a fan of her writing style. I, mengsk and heaven's devils are the only good recent sc2 books
    I like her work, its a hella better than the one done by the Author(s) with the alias Gabriel Mesta. The Shadow's of the Xel'Naga one. Now that one is the odd ball of the bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TargetBlue View Post
    I like her work, its a hella better than the one done by the Author(s) with the alias Gabriel Mesta. The Shadow's of the Xel'Naga one. Now that one is the odd ball of the bunch.
    Let me enlighten you.
    Gabriel Mesta is the penname for a certain Kevin J. Anderson.

    What other abominations has this man contributed to the world of literature? Well...

    He and Brian Herbert took turns holding down Dune while the other sodomized her with a coil of razor wire.

    After Timothy Zahn wrote the defining trilogy for the Star Wars EU, Kevin J. Anderson followed that up with the Jedi Academy Series. He started the bold traditions of Luke Skywalker being a demigod and Imperials being retards who either zergrush or wave the new superweapon around until it breaks or somebody steals it from them.

    And once upon a time, there was a decent comic book called "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". It was adapted to a movie, and we all know how that turned out.
    And then, Anderson novelized it. So, yeah...

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