Karune's back.

[pure.Wasted]

And that sounds reasonable to you? That the primary answer for transport mechanism, whether they are Warp Prism transport, Warp Prism Warp-In, Medivacs, etc are completely useless vs the Zerg.

Er, the argument in this thread is "Was the original Worm more versatile than the new one?"

The answer is undoubtedly yes. I wasn't concerned with which is more balanced, as that's not part of the discussion.

[Kael13]

Moving roaches makes for interesting strategy. With mobile lings and stealthy roaches, you can have the roaches position themselves as the anvil, blocking the retreat path of the enemy, then use your zerglings as the hammer that smashes them.

Nice analogy!

[SoFool]

I'm ok with the nydus worm now, if only it has a relocation ability though xD

[countchocula86]

I wasn't concerned with which is more balanced, as that's not part of the discussion.

How was it that not part of the discussion? Thats practically the focus of any discussion we have on here! The worm sounds pretty decent in its current incarnation. Yes it was altered, but so has just about every single unit in the game. It certainly feels more balanced now. It takes some skill to use it effectively.

While being able to 'salvage' the worm after payload delivery sounds nice, I think the way it is now means you need to be strategic. You dont get a second chance with the same worm, so you need to plan well.

[Nicol Bolas]

While it might be nice to relocate a worm, I don't see it as being deal-breaking. It's only 100 minerals, after all. That's 4 Zerglings.

[Gifted]

How was it that not part of the discussion? Thats practically the focus of any discussion we have on here! The worm sounds pretty decent in its current incarnation. Yes it was altered, but so has just about every single unit in the game. It certainly feels more balanced now. It takes some skill to use it effectively.

While being able to 'salvage' the worm after payload delivery sounds nice, I think the way it is now means you need to be strategic. You dont get a second chance with the same worm, so you need to plan well.

Hey Count, I just spent 2 minutes finding the original post you quoted to try and figure out who said that. Might have helped if you quoted the full point which shows all the information. But I digress

I personally agree with mentality to speculate balance concerns but will say personally that balance is something that comes from testing and not paperwork. Ultimately though, any discussion on balance we have now won't mean anything as it doesn't affect their internal testing they are doing while trying to get the game to beta. We can speculate how the balance of the worm is now, but if they change the worm next week from their own findings, the balance conversation is merely a use of time.. you can quote me on this next line.

"Debating things that are fluid as if they are stone will merely bring us to the realization that our theories are as stable as pure air." - Gifted

Comparing the versatility of two different interations of the same unit can provide more stable basis and more open-ended conversations. I don't mean to disrespect you at all, but I feel that bringing every conversation to "balance" will only limit the scope of potential conversations.

I'd compare it to SC2GDF 2 weeks after the LAN debaticle.. people could relate the subject "My kitten is cute in the front yard" to "Lan removal is evil!" and somehow managed to do so... often. Just two cents here on your conversation

[n00bonicPlague]

I'd compare it to SC2GDF 2 weeks after the LAN debaticle.. people could relate the subject "My kitten is cute in the front yard" to "Lan removal is evil!" and somehow managed to do so... often.

That's because us SC2GDFers are so awesome

[DemolitionSquid]

That's because us SC2GDFers are so awesome

I wasn't aware the Oxford English Dictionary had added "awesome" as a synonym for "annoying."

[n00bonicPlague]

I wasn't aware the Oxford English Dictionary had added "awesome" as a synonym for "annoying."

An exception is made when the perceiver is "jealous."