The Zerg Problem -- Statistical Analysis

[Rake]

Kerrigan spent 4 years working out how to make ultralisks burrow and forgot to update the other units.

[SaharaDrac]

Kerrigan spent 4 years working out how to make ultralisks burrow and forgot to update the other units.

Ultralisks always burrowed! You just didn't ask them nicely.

[MattII]

Kerrigan spent 4 years working out how to make ultralisks burrow and forgot to update the other units.

Actually, she's probably spent 4 years trying to reinvent the control systems the Overmind had, because she slaughtered all the cerebrates.

[Blazur]

Kerrigan spent 4 years working out how to make ultralisks burrow and forgot to update the other units.

I LOL'd.

<borat>GREAT success!</borat>

[Nicol Bolas]

from what I know hydralisk main role now is GTA.

The Hydralisk hasn't been primarily GtA since they swapped it with the Roach. It's supposed to be more of a generalist now.

You actually get to use a new unit with an awesome model rather than using the hydralisk all over again.

So what you're arguing about isn't even gameplay. It isn't that they're too much like SC1 units. It's names and models.

Spare me. At least pure.Wasted's point was about the gameplay similarities of these units.

The thor is kinda the new goliath with a twist. Well the thor indeed feels like a new unit and not a goliath improvement.

That's because it is a new unit. The massive damage it does with each GtG shot, the large well of Hp, and it's special "murder one ground unit" attack. Goliaths had none of that.

The only thing it has in common with the Goliath is that they're both Mechs.

Also the Wraith are gone, but the banshee (obviously is also a new unit) have almost similar role with the wraith (cloak and ATG attack).

Except that the Banshee is 10x more effective than the Wraith in that role. And far more vulnerable to AtA.

In short, they're similar at best.

[MattII]

Actually, comparing the Wraith to the Banshee is like comparing the Dragoon to the Immortal, it doesn't work.

[trace wm]

TL posted a topic about how powerful the Zerg macro mechanic is, I linked it in the macro thread.

[electricmole]

The Hydralisk hasn't been primarily GtA since they swapped it with the Roach. It's supposed to be more of a generalist now.

So what you're arguing about isn't even gameplay. It isn't that they're too much like SC1 units. It's names and models.

Spare me. At least pure.Wasted's point was about the gameplay similarities of these units.

That's because it is a new unit. The massive damage it does with each GtG shot, the large well of Hp, and it's special "murder one ground unit" attack. Goliaths had none of that.

The only thing it has in common with the Goliath is that they're both Mechs.

Except that the Banshee is 10x more effective than the Wraith in that role. And far more vulnerable to AtA.

In short, they're similar at best.

So its a generalist now just like in sc1? scrap it then its boring for another 10 years. scrap it just like the dragoons!

Actually im also arguing about gameplay being the same for the zerg in sc1, i mention it a lot of times actually. Its clear that i said that i want new zerg units and remove most of the old ones. This means having new attack mechanics and roles. Im always in for that.

But since i have no idea or tired of thinking about possible new zerg attack units mechanics and roles, i just made an example evolution about the hydralisk supposedly gta role for sc2.

IF the hydras role is mainly GTA now, then i suggest remove the hydralisk and put a new unit into its role. This unit will obviously feel and is new, with its new role, new look, stat, etc just like the thor. This new unit will not have the same stat with the hydralisk, movement, etc.

Lets say this unit im suggesting is also 10x more stronger against air units than the hydralisk. So just like wraith to banshee, this hydralisk replacement is entirely a new unit as well.

[RODTHEGOD]

I don't know. I think above all other units, the 2 units that absolutely have to stay for the zerg are the zergling and the hydralisk. To me, they are the Zerg. Any and every other Zerg unit can be removed/replaced/highly modified but those 2 have to stay. Now thats not to say their function or abilities can't be changed so that gameplay wise they are nothing like themselves but they have to stay in some fasion.

[MattII]

How about allowing Zerglings to morph into melee flyers once the Lair is in then?