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[Islandsnake]

Nono, you shouldn't be able to choose what race you want play AGAINST. You should be able to pick like...

If enemy is Zerg, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Terran, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Protoss, I play Terran.
If enemy is Random, I play Protoss.

(this is how I played for a long time)

I dont agree with this at all.

Are you saying that if you search ladder as protoss and you get a protoss it should switch your race to terran?

In a Ladder system, a real one you don't know who your facing until the loading screen.

[FrozenArbiter]

In the AMM setup, you pick what races YOU want to play as, as does everyone else (most will just set one race). Battle.net sets your race based on what your opponents has his set as (you'll find out what matchup you play during loading screen).

[Islandsnake]

Strange I dont like that, I prefer the war3 ladder style.

You pick your "race" and you search ladder.

That way you dont get to pick and chose your weakness and strength and you need to know your matchups.

Its like being able to put a bandaid on your weakest matchup.


What RTS's use that system? just curious


In clan wars and stuff I can see setting up the matches so your strengths are displayed, though even then I prefer a winners league format where you dont know who your going to face.

I feel like picking your race vs other races is like playing random but picking the races you dont want to play. In a ladder system your clawing your way up to the top, and if you pick a race to play as then you should be forced with the chance to play against everyone. For instance a rank 1 player that played protoss could of NEVER once had to face a terran as a protoss..I dont see that as fair.

Geez I wish I coulda picked to play Nightelf vs Nightelf everytime haha

[Nottoway]

How does that system work past just yourself?

You said:
If enemy is Zerg, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Terran, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Protoss, I play Terran.
If enemy is Random, I play Protoss.

Doesn't that complicate things beyond just the one person? Would this only be a solo thing? If not, that would make 2v2/3v3 extremely hectic in regard to how matches are determined.

[Nicol Bolas]

If enemy is Zerg, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Terran, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Protoss, I play Terran.
If enemy is Random, I play Protoss.

This brings up a point. Let's say they implement this. And let's say your opponent has this setup:

If enemy is Zerg, I play Terran.
If enemy is Terran, I play Terran.
If enemy is Protoss, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Random, I play Zerg.

What race do you get? He picked Terran, so you pick Protoss. But then, his rules aren't satisfied, so he is switched to Protoss. Then it switches you to Terran. So it switches him to Terran. So...

That is why this system doesn't get implemented. If you want to do things like that, where you switch races right before the battle starts, fine. But it shouldn't be coded into the system.

[Islandsnake]

If your laddering you shoulnd't be able to change your race "at the last second" once you see there race it should be too late.


Having a rank 1 Protoss that has never once played against a Zerg is pretty stupid.

[pure.Wasted]

Nono, you shouldn't be able to choose what race you want play AGAINST. You should be able to pick like...

If enemy is Zerg, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Terran, I play Protoss.
If enemy is Protoss, I play Terran.
If enemy is Random, I play Protoss.

(this is how I played for a long time)

This is obviously impossible, because your opponent might not choose a race at all, but pick settings as well. So then neither of you will have an actual race, and very often games will go Random (which is not what the players are looking for at all).

The only way to solve that is with preference, ie. take your list and add at top, "preference for Terran." But then, say his preference is for Zerg, you end up with you Terran, him Zerg. But you now want to switch to Protoss, and he wants to switch to Protoss. But if he's Protoss, then you want to be Terran.


Nicol beat me to it.

[Gifted]

... subject digression...
/fallsover
... does... not.. compute...

[Hammy]

As a thousand people have said before: the main issue with this is offracing. And no, playing custom games to learn a new race is not a viable option because that makes the whole ladder system useless. The whole point of a ladder is to help you improve and see how much you've improved.

I think the simple solution is to have a 1v1 rank for each race P, T, Z, R (and only your top rank even appears on your profile, and the race with which you reached that rank). And to reduce noob bashing even further (ie: an A+ player would destroy you anyday with any race), each player has the option to "copy" his current highest rank to all of his races (say once a week/month). That way you can actually assess how strong you are with your offrace by playing against people with whom you're strategically paired (if you play TvZ with your main race, you'll know what to expect when playing ZvT), but just mechanically inferior (because you're offracing obviously).
If that player has a wide gap between his races, he can allow himself to drop down a few leagues to practice against players of his mechanical skill level, but that's unlikely. A gold player will catch on relatively quickly and won't spend very much time in a silver league with his offrace anyways.

[blade55555]

As a thousand people have said before: the main issue with this is offracing. And no, playing custom games to learn a new race is not a viable option because that makes the whole ladder system useless. The whole point of a ladder is to help you improve and see how much you've improved.

I think the simple solution is to have a 1v1 rank for each race P, T, Z, R (and only your top rank even appears on your profile, and the race with which you reached that rank). And to reduce noob bashing even further (ie: an A+ player would destroy you anyday with any race), each player has the option to "copy" his current highest rank to all of his races (say once a week/month). That way you can actually assess how strong you are with your offrace by playing against people with whom you're strategically paired (if you play TvZ with your main race, you'll know what to expect when playing ZvT), but just mechanically inferior (because you're offracing obviously).
If that player has a wide gap between his races, he can allow himself to drop down a few leagues to practice against players of his mechanical skill level, but that's unlikely. A gold player will catch on relatively quickly and won't spend very much time in a silver league with his offrace anyways.

I don't see how playing unrated is not an option because if you ladder then you should play at the skill you currently are. Its your own fault if you lose because you don't want to do an unrated because then if you win your points don't go up. I don't think blizzard is going to switch it to what you want so you might is well be ready to deal with it when it comes in like 8 months probably longer :P