The ladder is going to be a very different place for Season 2

[Gradius]

Interesting results, keep us posted. Anyone else with other likewise interesting results as well?

Talked to a guy who was diamond league before reset but got into masters.

[MulletBen]

Somehow, there must be less masters level players who have been ranked at this point, in proportion to the number of lower league players.

That's the only explanation I can think for why people seem to be having an easier time getting into Diamond/masters.

Dang, I gotta get ranked before this ends. Mayhaps I can get up in platinum? DDDD

[SinsWage]

Well turns out my assumption about the inactive players was wrong. Here's how inactivity works. Sorry for the lite wall, I couldn't figure out how to hide content.

From Teamliquid.net

"The system dynamically distributes the population of active players across a constant range of MMR values, and league boundaries are fixed in relation to MMR. As players drop out and the remaining population redistributes themselves across the MMR range by playing games, the leagues of existing players may change as their MMRs change. The boundaries are based on MMR values selected by a prior distribution that will capture these certain percentiles.

For example, if every player below Gold league were to go inactive, the populations of Silver and Bronze league would be 0% active players, which would also mean that there would be no active players beneath a certain MMR threshold. However, that also means that the active population becomes more difficult on average, which inevitably influences the MMRs of the weaker remaining players back below those thresholds as they play more games, thereby repopulating Silver and Bronze. This is why parses of all accounts, active and inactive, such as the ones on SC2Ranks, are not consistent with these percentages."

From Teamliquid.net

TL;DR version

The system considers you inactive after you accumulate 90 bonus pool and will not factor your MMR into the ranking system until you are spending 90 of said bonus pool a week.


Sorry for the vague and incorrect source in the original post. I will dig up the link shortly.

[JackhammerIV]

Uhhhhh.....that's pretty extreme. Considering they want to attract casual players. So does this mean the more casual players and active players get demoted down since the MMR threshold has been increased?? Like casual players don't get included in the population since their bonus pool goes over 90.....Hence the changing MMR threshold. Damn....i have 600 bonus points.:P Perhaps i will get demoted to bronze or something. I can imagine a few pros as well with alternative accounts that would have bonus pool over this.

[Todie]

From TL.com

do you mean Teamliquid.net ? .. i dont mean to nitpick, but i think you should be a little more accurate than that on quoting sources. preferably a link.

Uhhhhh.....that's pretty extreme. Considering they want to attract casual players. So does this mean the more casual players and active players get demoted down since the MMR threshold has been increased?? Like casual players don't get included in the population since their bonus pool goes over 90.....Hence the changing MMR threshold. Damn....i have 600 bonus points.:P Perhaps i will get demoted to bronze or something. I can imagine a few pros as well with alternative accounts that would have bonus pool over this.

You seem more confused by this than i am, let me attempt to rephrase my understanding:

TL;DR version

The system considers you inactive after you accumulate 90 bonus pool and will not factor your MMR into the ranking system until you are spending 90 of said bonus pool a week.

... this is certainly an optimistic measurement of activity, im glad they've at least reduced the rate of bonuspoint accumulation for team games.

to clarify, what the quoted statment implies is that, regardless of current bonus pool, spending more than 90 of them per weak constitutes activity, (until you are lower than 600 at witch point you get a pass 'till youre above 600 AND spending less than 90 a week)

.. with the average win spending 12 bonus points, a 90 pt per week means activity would require winning 7-8 games per week; a winrate of 50% would require roughly 15 games per week.


.. as for the actual consequences within the system for who is considered active and not, i am confused. and i still question where these statements Sinswage is posting are comming from; is someone leaking? datamining? speculating?

... im probably gonna play some this evening. will post back my results.

[JackhammerIV]

I found the link to it...:P
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=195273

Well i'm not sure if that 90 points a week is the latest activity or an average over the whole season. If it's over the whole season i'm not sure what mine would be. I did lower my bonus pool by 200 points over the past 4 days. Not sure if that counts. Really confusing the way they put it.

[JackhammerIV]

Just went through placement and played 2 matches afterwards. Lost the placement and first match but won the second match. Still in diamond. So phew no demotion. I really suck at aggressive 4 gate.:P Everytime i try to do it i end up losing.

[SinsWage]

Thanks for the link Jackhammer, also very sorry for the confusing nature of the post. I had just gotten home from working 17 hours and driving 2. I was excited by the info but deliriously tired. I hope it's cleared up now.

[Todie]

thx for the link JH.

important part that it seems we missed:

Active Status
Your active/inactive status is not considered when evaluating you for a promotion, only your position relative to active players. The one additional requirement to getting promoted is that you must play a game, because league changes only occur after a game.

There are really no negative effects associated with going inactive. You don't get demoted from leagues due to inactivity. Your MMR does not decrease. Your points do not decrease.

it kind of makes sense; if i udnerstand corectly, they use the active/inactive label in order to determine where the MMR-tresholds between leagues will be.

[JackhammerIV]

@Todie
I still wonder about the use 90 points a week. The lack of clear understanding comes from the "a week" part. Like which week do they consider...average week over a season or the last week before season ends.

Also, starting over at 0 bonus points i think i'll spend some time trying to refine builds i guess.:P Perhaps put in the time and effort to improve my aggressive 4 gate. LOL.