The ladder is going to be a very different place for Season 2

[SinsWage]

There were no caveats from what I saw. All promotions and demotions are disabled, bonus pools can still be used but will no longer grow.

[flak4321]

note that everyone will start over at rating 0. thats what the reset is.


... the differences in sum of Rating + bonus will be much smaller during all of next season because peoples MMRs are rather stable by now and many win/loss ratios are near 50%

I understood the rating reset. This was just my way of saying I will be unsurprised and unphased by a season 2 starting point lower than my season 1 end point. And can you write out what MMR stands for please? I assume it's something related to the ranking. Thank you.

@Sinswage: sure, no problem on the write-up math. Just bear in mind that that was but 1 very extreme scenario.

It should also be noted that the patch 1.3.0 notes state tweaks to the bonus pool system, so ranking up/down will be different in that regard also.

[JackhammerIV]

MMR stands for Matchmaking Ranking. It's the hidden value of your rough skill level used to pair you up with an even skilled opponent on Battle.Net ladder games. Each time you win it goes up. Each time you lose it goes down. The exact number it goes up or down is not fully known outside Blizzard.

[dustinbrowder]

Sorry but you're just talking out of your butt there DB.
I played professional CS 1.6 back in the hay day and almost made it to CAL invite / CPL levels. Outside of North America and a few parts of Europe....people were still way too busy with SC1 . Maybe had at most 1-2 million GLOBALLY.

There's always different "Scenes" , did SC e-Sports even pick up remotely close to how it was in Korea in Europe or North america? Hell no.
Street Fighter + Marvel + SNK + etc are just a prime example, doubt there's even a million active players GLOBALLY (Yes, including JAPAN) - but it's been going strong way before SC even made it to e-sports. Hell, there was a Canada Cup (For Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom) here recently and the most prominent Street Fighter players were here. I'm willing to bet there's more SC1/SC2 players in my city of Calgary, Canada than Street Fighter.

I realize you're always trying to add conversation to the forums here, but half the times you have biased/predetermined questions/statements - or like this - incredibly shallow and unbacked claims.
You always give off this impression of the joy of seeing Blizzard fail or seeing things just turn sour. There's a German word for that


Honestly, the ladders will be undetermined. The idea of a new ladder could spur new players to try - or like you said - be some "laughing stock" of esports and become the community joke.
OR there will just be less divisions - and the hardworking Platinium player will be in diamond....so on and so fourth..

you call street fighter e-sports? this shows you have no clue what you are talking about.

Its like calling throwing stone an athletic competition. Get a grip man and don't write nonsense.

I'm telling you if there aren't big numbers of people playing there can not be e-sports.

[0mar]

Let's see some actual numbers to illustrate: at any time I log on, my bnet homepage says 500,000 to 1,000,000 people are signed into bnet w/ usually 12,000-18,000 games going on in my NA region. Let's assume 500,000 for some even math.

The vast, vast majority on Bnet 2.0 are people playing WoW. I usually go by multiplying the number of games by 3.5 to obtain a player count. That feels like a good number to account for all the customs, ladder and inhouse games. So between 35k to 50k.

[0mar]

you call street fighter e-sports? this shows you have no clue what you are talking about.

Its like calling throwing stone an athletic competition. Get a grip man and don't write nonsense.

I'm telling you if there aren't big numbers of people playing there can not be e-sports.

Dude, fighting games are bigger than SC2. They were bigger than CS when it was huge. They are probably the biggest esports game out there.

Coming from a Soul Caliber 2 and CS 1.6/CSS background (both played competitively), I can tell you that Soul Caliber 2, which isn't huge but decent sized, had way more opportunities to play competitively than CS 1.6. And that's with two major active leagues for CS 1.6/CSS, which we participated in. You had CAL and CEVO, each having over 100 teams in the Main/Professional level. We would play between 3 and 5 matches a week the entire year plus playoffs if we didn't go 3-13. Despite all this, for Soul Calibur 2, you could walk into an arcade and hop in on any one of the 3 daily tournaments that went on for more than 2 years. And that's just in Chicago with no online play for Soul Calibur 2.

[SinsWage]

you call street fighter e-sports? this shows you have no clue what you are talking about.

Its like calling throwing stone an athletic competition. Get a grip man and don't write nonsense.

I'm telling you if there aren't big numbers of people playing there can not be e-sports.

Does the WMBA count as a sport? What about Soccer in the U.S.? Just because it's not what's popular doesn't deny something it's existence or rightful place in the pantheon.

Any game where there are tournaments held with spectators involved and actual money on the line count as e-sports or professional gaming. Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't make it so.

Also, caber toss wants to have a word with you.

[Zabimaru]

Its like calling throwing stone an athletic competition

Shot Put.

[Todie]

Uh back to thread - who here desperately tried to get into a higher league only to realize you would not be able to get rid of your 2000+ Bonus pool in a few days.
*Raises hand*

just to be clear, you dont have to spend all your bonus pool to get promoted. not even close. you just need to get your MMR to stabilize at a level equivalent of a higher league.. you'll need some consistency to do that, and though i've seen people advance into masters with much fewer games played than i have, im not surprsied your MMR isnt stabilizing at masters level when you ahve less than 100 games played; even if you have it in you.

Does the 'no bonus pool' rule apply to Master league for team games?

i see no reason why it wouldnt.

[Twilice]

HAHA


Ummm even your cereal has insects in it..

Uh back to thread - who here desperately tried to get into a higher league only to realize you would not be able to get rid of your 2000+ Bonus pool in a few days.
*Raises hand*

I got over 3000 bonus points in my pool and I just got promoted to masters in 2v2. (I lost 3 times and then I won once to get promoted I wanted to get into masters 1v1 but failed I figured I would have a pretty high mmr in 2v2 so went to try there a bit, the gameplay was much different from what I remember so I felt pretty stomped some parts of those and sometimes I were just mad at how bad my teammates actually were :P Ah well I have today to get into masters ^^)