Who here thinks DiamondBacks and Vulture models >>>>> Hellion?

[ArcherofAiur]

lol at people trying to retcon out buggies.

[vIsitor]

lol at people trying to retcon out buggies.

For once, Archer, I agree with you.

[electricmole]

Whether you think they are mistakes or not, they are there. They exist, and they are part of the StarCraft heritage.

it was 10 years ago. it was badaass and cool back then but NOT NOW. they now look mediocre compared to sc2, im not talking about the quality of the cinematic but rather the overall look of the terran in sc1 to sc2.

everything in terran needs to improve in sc2, to look and overall feel better and impressive. the buggy hellion is not.

[sandwich_bird]

k but that train on the 2nd pic is totaly sexy. I say we replace the hellion with the train

But honestly the hellion is almost ok. The only thing I truly hate about it is his flamethrower. I'd prefer a rail gun even if it would look weird for the bullets to go through units.

[Cheesenium]

k but that train on the 2nd pic is totaly sexy. I say we replace the hellion with the train

But honestly the hellion is almost ok. The only thing I truly hate about it is his flamethrower. I'd prefer a rail gun even if it would look weird for the bullets to go through units.

Rail guns are suppose to go through units.

They have extremely high muzzle velocity.

[Lupino]

Um, the Hellion isn't suppose to be a tank; it's a light fast attack vehicle, for scouting and taking out infantry, so making it look all beefy would ascetically and logically go against that choice. That it somehow looks "brittle" would actually fit its role, though I don't see where people are getting that impression.

And too "low tech"? LOL, silly kids think everything futuristic has to have flashy lights and whiz-bang gadgets or it is teh suxs. BTW, Wheels > anti-gravity or legs. They are far easier to make than either system. They are far simpler in function than either as well, meaning less chance of breaking down. The Diamondback loses power to its anti-grav unit, it falls and becomes immobile; the Hellion at least can still be pushed/pulled back to base for repairs. A Goliath loses a leg, it falls over and becomes less than useless; a wheel can be more easily replaced in the field, and even if it can't be repaired it can still continue to function otherwise. If only the rest of the Terran's arsenal had such practicality in mind when it was being built.

And ROFL at people trying to argue against the original cinematics. They happened, get over it. Arguing that a weird Protoss ship appearing in the Intro (and it wasn't a Mothership, you can check, the two look nothing alike) somehow negates the fact that we actually see Terrans use wheeled vehicles multiple times, or that they somehow don't fit despite that fact, could only make sense in a fanboy's mind.

[Pandonetho]

Um, the Hellion isn't suppose to be a tank; it's a light fast attack vehicle, for scouting and taking out infantry, so making it look all beefy would ascetically and logically go against that choice. That it somehow looks "brittle" would actually fit its role, though I don't see where people are getting that impression.

People have no problem with the functionality of the unit, it's the way it looks, which by the way, is a piece of shit. If they made it look more like the Diamondback, fast but still strong I'm pretty positive many people would already be fine with it. Hell wheels aren't even the problem here it's just the overall unit design.

And too "low tech"? LOL, silly kids think everything futuristic has to have flashy lights and whiz-bang gadgets or it is teh suxs. BTW, Wheels > anti-gravity or legs.

Again the main topic here is the art, no one is complaining about how realistic or not the unit is. It's ugly. Also, why would you even want to lug the unit back to base for repairs? The SC universe is at a much grander scale than real life. Losing a Hellion isn't the equivalent of losing a tank in real life.

Also, if the future was as realistic as you wished it to be depicted, then Starcraft would be a very boring universe,

They are far easier to make than either system. They are far simpler in function than either as well, meaning less chance of breaking down.

With the mass production of vultures, I highly doubt making limited hover craft technology is at all hard for the Terrans, they've managed to friggen do it for their battlecruisers. Also, wheels will never be as fast as hover crafts, there has to be compromise. Third, flamethrowers are psychological weapons, I don't know why the Terrans would have a fast moving vehicle with flamethrowers instead of a rail gun or something better. A flamethrower should be on the tank supporting infantry, not on a weak ass buggy going around places. How the hell are you even supposed to aim the flamethrower going at what, 200 km/h?

The Diamondback loses power to its anti-grav unit, it falls and becomes immobile; the Hellion at least can still be pushed/pulled back to base for repairs.

In the future in these universes it's generally ideal to accept that the reliability of such technology is very high to have it mass produced for use. It's like the difference between the Tau and the Imperial Guard in Warhammer, the reliability of plasma based weaponry for the Tau is very high, while for the Guard there's practically a high chance it'll blow up and kill you. Why would the IG use it? Who knows, they're idiots. Why would the Tau use it? Because they've made it reliable. Similar to what we can expect from the Terrans.

A Goliath loses a leg, it falls over and becomes less than useless; a wheel can be more easily replaced in the field, and even if it can't be repaired it can still continue to function otherwise

In a war with hundreds to thousands of troops going head on against each other, I doubt it'll be a pressing matter to try to save one goliath when there are dozens of others on the field.

[n00bonicPlague]

Honestly if they would just take the Diamond-back model and apply the aspects and properties of the Hellion to it I would be happy.

[Lupino]

People have no problem with the functionality of the unit, it's the way it looks, which by the way, is a piece of shit. If they made it look more like the Diamondback, fast but still strong I'm pretty positive many people would already be fine with it. Hell wheels aren't even the problem here it's just the overall unit design.

Except people have been complaining about the fact that it uses wheels. As for the design, it works. The only real difference between this and this is that the latter is enclosed, its front wheels are slightly forward and it has a flamethrower up top.

Again the main topic here is the art, no one is complaining about how realistic or not the unit is. It's ugly. Also, why would you even want to lug the unit back to base for repairs? The SC universe is at a much grander scale than real life. Losing a Hellion isn't the equivalent of losing a tank in real life.

Um, losing a vehicle is bad in general, whether you have ten or ten thousand. Taking a damaged vehicle back to base for repairs is infinitely better than leaving it on the battlefield and building a brand new one. The latter is just a waste of time and resources.

Also, if the future was as realistic as you wished it to be depicted, then Starcraft would be a very boring universe,

On the contrary, realism can be very exciting.

With the mass production of vultures, I highly doubt making limited hover craft technology is at all hard for the Terrans, they've managed to friggen do it for their battlecruisers. Also, wheels will never be as fast as hover crafts, there has to be compromise. Third, flamethrowers are psychological weapons, I don't know why the Terrans would have a fast moving vehicle with flamethrowers instead of a rail gun or something better. A flamethrower should be on the tank supporting infantry, not on a weak ass buggy going around places. How the hell are you even supposed to aim the flamethrower going at what, 200 km/h?

Wheels are still easier to make than anti-grav, whether or not the latter can be mass produced. If such a speed advantage exists for the anti-grav vehicle, it trades that for being more complicated and require more energy than the simpler drive system. As for the flamethrower, it is questionable, but presumably it can be swapped out for other weapons. As well, a flamethrower doesn't really require the same amount of precision to aim as other weapons, since it can cover a wider area than a MG. Aiming it at 200km/h is less of an issue than trying to do the same with a machine gun.

In the future in these universes it's generally ideal to accept that the reliability of such technology is very high to have it mass produced for use. It's like the difference between the Tau and the Imperial Guard in Warhammer, the reliability of plasma based weaponry for the Tau is very high, while for the Guard there's practically a high chance it'll blow up and kill you. Why would the IG use it? Who knows, they're idiots. Why would the Tau use it? Because they've made it reliable. Similar to what we can expect from the Terrans.

An unfounded assumption. There's a very basic principle, KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid. The more complex a system, the more moving parts it has, the greater the chance that it will break down. We had a discussion about this back at Blizzforums, I can go grab it again if you've forgotten.

As for 40k, the IG trades reliability for sheer power for their plasma weapons, not to mention the fact that it is something of a lost tech, and what is known is jealously guarded by the AdMech.

In a war with hundreds to thousands of troops going head on against each other, I doubt it'll be a pressing matter to try to save one goliath when there are dozens of others on the field.

When attrition whittles your forces down to tens of thousands of troops, you'll be wishing you had that Goliath instead of leaving it out to rot on the battlefield. Though if I needed a light armored unit I'd go for a tankette instead, but that's besides the point.

[Kacaier]

Honestly if they would just take the Diamond-back model and apply the aspects and properties of the Hellion to it I would be happy.

It looks almost like the original Cobra. If I recall correctly, a lot of people hated that model. When the Cobra was replaced with the Jackal, I don't recall that many people wanting the Jackal to be turned back into the Cobra. Though there were still a lot of opposition to the Jackal, which was a trike, and turned in to a four wheeler (Hellion).

Maybe people finally have a lapse of judgment, but I don't think turning the Hellion back to the Cobra/Diamondback is going to be that much more appreciated.