You must now have an internet connection to install SC2.

[Gifted]

And you know with this they could allow LAN to come back.

I mean, if you have to install a legit copy of SC2 in the first place......

Well, if you use the argument that LAN was removed primarily for piracy, that would make sense. Blizzard has stated it's to collect the community into a singular area, therefore making the community larger. They're already sporting at least 10-20 million into this community. Allowing LAN at this point would be against their intentions.

wow that's gay. i don't have the internet on my computer that can actually play games. i'll have to carry the fucking thing downstairs fuck you blizz

My first response is that this is a kid that couldn't afford his computer.. so the "get a router" or "get a wifi" argument might be a bit rough to suggest (even if it's 100% true) A more solid argument is that a majority of games in the future years will require this, it's not starting with SC2, and this style of DRM is INCREDIBLY light compared to others that require you to actually be online to play their singleplayer.

If it's a one time thing, that's no biggie IMHO and you should be grateful that you don't have to KEEP it downstairs to play.

This is not fun. I got a good amount of lag playing online, my connection here is not that good.

This is a legit concern, the community members who might have a 250 lag... BUT, that's how it is now. If what Blizzard has commented is true, you could essentially have below 100 lag with people in your same city. In the past, the battle.net servers were based on areas... your high latency could be related to the distance to those segments.

In short, and maybe this is providing more "hope" for you than I should. Wait until the end of the week and you might find yourself in better straights then you originally thought. Don't judge on the past.

There will never be LAN play!! Blizzard needs to control the eSports community by having all games on B.Net.

Blizzard spent a "Bazillion Dollars"* making this game and they will profit from it for many years after the launch through eSports.[/I]

Correct, LAN play is gone. I don't believe this is a setup of control however. It's merely what will make their product more valuable and better for the gamer. Imagine for a moment the game is out.. Imagine trying to play facebook games while offline, the product is a lot less appealing that way because Facebook = community. That's it's core. And that's the core of battle.net.

Makes it easier to flush

Yes, this and the last line made me laugh out loud

PS: I should be able to have less "multiposts" now that I figured out Multiquote

[Gifted]

Wait, isn't DRM that stupid, stupid thing they put into the Mass Effect installation...?

I'm... not for that. But oh well.

DRM is a generic cover that is a protection against your own digital rights. Removing/stealing digital rights is generically called "Piracy".

There are different degrees of DRM. Some old versions involved looking up word page 42, paragraph 4, word 3. Others installed the full game on your computer but required the CD to play, CD keys are a form of DRM. There are other degrees, where you have to be connected to the internet whenever you play the game, even if it's not an internet game. Or even some that identify the components of your computer and identifies when it's on a wrong computer and shuts down.

All DRM is intrusive in some form. A good example, putting a CD in a computer when you don't need it could be considered intrusive, but people accepted it because it kinda made sense. But now I'm digressing.

Blizzard, in my honest opinion, is taking a good stand on DRM. "We want you to enjoy the game to it's fullest. It's fullest requires a battle.net account. So you have to create or associate the game with your battle.net account when you install it"

This DRM makes sense with what they say they intend to do.

[n00bonicPlague]

Well, if you use the argument that LAN was removed primarily for piracy, that would make sense. Blizzard has stated it's to collect the community into a singular area, therefore making the community larger. They're already sporting at least 10-20 million into this community. Allowing LAN at this point would be against their intentions.

I don't think it's gonna help grow the community as much as they think it will. Just because they box everyone in doesn't mean the would-be LAN players can't sit at the edge of the box. If this new bnet is truly worth it, then they shouldn't have to force everyone to use it. Instead, the sheer magnificence of its features should attract gamers.

I think they're just afraid that it won't be all it's cracked up to be.

[Triceron]

DRM always sucks, but this kind of loop is negligable.

At least I'm not paying $X a month for Battle.net.

[Pandonetho]

I don't think it's gonna help grow the community as much as they think it will. Just because they box everyone in doesn't mean the would-be LAN players can't sit at the edge of the box. If this new bnet is truly worth it, then they shouldn't have to force everyone to use it. Instead, the sheer magnificence of its features should attract gamers.

You think sheer magnificence will get pirates to change their mind about buying a game? People who pirate the game don't give a damn about "look I get icons on my battle.net account" or any other "magnificent" things they come up with. They just want the damn game.

[deadlock]

My first response is that this is a kid that couldn't afford his computer.. so the "get a router" or "get a wifi" argument might be a bit rough to suggest (even if it's 100% true) A more solid argument is that a majority of games in the future years will require this, it's not starting with SC2, and this style of DRM is INCREDIBLY light compared to others that require you to actually be online to play their singleplayer.

If it's a one time thing, that's no biggie IMHO and you should be grateful that you don't have to KEEP it downstairs to play.

thank you for the sympathy gifted, i suppose i am grateful in that respect

[Lupino]

This is no different from Steam. I see no problems with this.

~LoA

Steam sucks for exactly this and other reasons. Granted it's not as bad, if the article is to be believed you only need to do it once, but it's an inconvenience for people which won't solve anything. Amazingly there are people with computers who *gasp* don't have the internet! This could be for lack of local infrastructure, personal cost, etc. I primarily use a laptop because I travel a lot, and where I go doesn't always have a connection to the internet, so a Steam-like set-up would just discourage people like me from buying games (which indeed it has).

ADD kiddies stealing games and claiming to be fighting "The Man" are annoying, but silly DRM shit like this doesn't provide a solution, only a headache.

[Hamshank]

This is no different from Steam. I see no problems with this.

~LoA

yes it is you actually own the game, in steam you cannot sell it

[Hav0x]

Steam sucks for exactly this and other reasons. Granted it's not as bad, if the article is to be believed you only need to do it once, but it's an inconvenience for people which won't solve anything. Amazingly there are people with computers who *gasp* don't have the internet! This could be for lack of local infrastructure, personal cost, etc. I primarily use a laptop because I travel a lot, and where I go doesn't always have a connection to the internet, so a Steam-like set-up would just discourage people like me from buying games (which indeed it has).

ADD kiddies stealing games and claiming to be fighting "The Man" are annoying, but silly DRM shit like this doesn't provide a solution, only a headache.

You have to connect ONCE to link the game to a battle.net account, after that there is no reason you would have to be connected for singleplayer.

[Lupino]

You have to connect ONCE to link the game to a battle.net account, after that there is no reason you would have to be connected for singleplayer.

*cough*

Granted it's not as bad, if the article is to be believed you only need to do it once, but it's an inconvenience for people which won't solve anything.

It's still an annoyance (which at least one other person in this thread has also voiced) and does absolutely nothing to solve the problem.