Should Blizzard negate their ownership of every copy of SC2?

[JackhammerIV]

For example this kind of ownership blizzard has elects them to be responsible for every map a person creates.
If person A adds the words "fuck you stupid bitch" or "you fag nigger" in his map, Blizzard is responsible because it owns the map and thus they decided to rather put limitation in the map editor limiting the personal expression and art direction the map maker may want to take.

Since Blizzard forgot that there used to be tons of websites for WC3 maps and decided to make a monopoly for spreading maps, due to their plans to release a map market place, in which only blizzard will be entitled to your work and in which only blizzard can decide which maps will sell and for how much, leaving the users who created those maps completely on the side, without any rights because Blizzard own everything SC2, even user created maps.

Well lets make this hypothesis: Say you cheat few times online, you get found out and you are banned from the game.
Your only option is to buy the game again to play again. Since by purchasing the game you automatically agree to the terms or Blizzard, you are not the owner of the game, but rather a temporary user and blizzard owns every right to your game and this means that it can stop you from playing the game for cheating or no reason what-so-ever.

Lets take another hypothesis: You want to host a big tournament for region A for people X. Its a tournament which took year to set up, its a collaboration between few groups and you get ready to start it and Blizzard refuses to allow you to host it.
They may refuse the tournament and ask for fees or benefits or whatever, but its in their power to really do anything they want and you as a purchaser and active member of the community can't do absolutely nothing.

Dustin....I wish you had better english. Cos sometimes it gets really hard to understand what you post. Then you go around stating how everyone else is wrong but no one understands why you think that cos you can't make your point clear. Like this whole OP....to me I understand it as:

1. You don't like how Blizzard takes responsibility to make sure maps are not offensive to anyone. And in the name of freedom of expression. But come on most newspapers,etc even with freedom of expression try not to be offensive. E.g. the prophet muhammad cartoons. Basically you're saying it should be fine for map makes to put graphical content (porno) or offensive language onto maps. A mapmaker on SCarmory or something mentioned how on his map there was a swastika on the minimap and his map was flagged and he was told to change it. I find that acceptable. Or else we'd end up with a custom map called "Jew Hunters" or something and Blizzard says that kind of custom map is fine. It's the individual's freedom to make a custom map TPS where the player kills Jews.

2. It seems to be you're saying the map marketplace is where Blizzard takes over all rights to maps. Collects all money on the maps and decides the price of the map and if it's worth selling. I thought Blizzard said they would make it so the map creator can earn money off it by selling it for whatever price they want. Just blizzard needs to clear it for sale. Needs

3. And basically you want to be able to cheat in the game and not be banned. And also make whatever tournaments you want without blizzard support or approval. They don't want another kespa.

[Blazur]

I am not reading this thread.

[flak4321]

It's at least nice to see you trying a different topic. [sarcasm]You're quite the eternal optimist, no? [/sarcasm]

Since Blizzard owns everything they don't allow you to host a game,

Absolutely false. You can host games, but the interface has its flaws, some of which you state later:

due to their plans to release a map market place, in which only blizzard will be entitled to your work and in which only blizzard can decide which maps will sell and for how much, leaving the users who created those maps completely on the side, without any rights because Blizzard own everything SC2, even user created maps.

The EULA, which you mentioned at the outset, merely sets groundwork to ensure Blizzard's true property, the base game, is not misappropriated. Yes, this will mean limitati0ons in what you can and can't do, and it will create a cost in any map or mod you wish to sell, but I honestly don't see too much of problem with this as I make mostly melee maps with perhaps a rare UMS mized in and I have no intention of making any money off of any of my maps except for maybe the occasional map-making contest.

Since they invented the bnet map upload feature, it was only logical to go for a popularity system,

If this is logic, then Spock just committed suicide...

Well lets make this hypothesis: Say you cheat few times online, you get found out and you are banned from the game. Your only option is to buy the game again to play again. Since by purchasing the game you automatically agree to the terms or Blizzard, you are not the owner of the game, but rather a temporary user and blizzard owns every right to your game and this means that it can stop you from playing the game for cheating or no reason what-so-ever.

Well, cheaters never truly win, do they? You do the crime, you do the time.

They may refuse the tournament and ask for fees or benefits or whatever, but its in their power to really do anything they want and you as a purchaser and active member of the community can't do absolutely nothing.

This goes back to the initial quote and comment above. With the arrival of chat features and the ability to create and invite people to the game, hosting a tournament is relatively easy, at least for a tourney among friends. The schedule would be the toughest part.

[Twilice]

I feeded a troll, oh my.

[flak4321]

none of these EULAs would hold up in a court of law though.

Interesting notion. As they are binding contracts once you agree to them, you would be bound to fulfill them so far as the courts are concerned. However, certain areas of these EULAs would very likely be discarded on the grounds that the intended/requested action on your part is horribly unclear. I've seen several examples of business contracts where one party had to honor another party's valid interpretation after a dispute reached the courts.

[TheEconomist]

An illegal contract is an illegal contract. Even if you sign it.

I doubt there's anything illegal in the EULA though.

[SinsWage]

The bottom line is you are getting what you pay for. I'm not saying I like or don't like how blizzard is doing business, I'm simply stating that they are not pulling a bait and switch on people. You agree to the terms of use for their product. If you feel these terms are unfair you have only one path to take, don't buy their products.

It's their software so they dictate how it gets used. If you want things changed don't purchase the software and then talk about how upset you are. Tell blizzard you won't support them until they come up with a reasonable solution. Maybe they never will, but you will never get anywhere begrudgingly giving someone your money. That money spends the same as satisfied customers money.

[Gifted]

Dustin,

EULAs like this have existed since the early days of the computer gaming industry dawned. SC1 had many of the same concerns you hold now, such as now owning the game, in it's EULA.

The only reason people are complaining now is that if the rules were broken, systems are in place that allow them to actually feel the consequences. If you used SC1 in a way that the developers did not want to happen with a product they were providing.. they couldn't do jack crap. If you use sc2 in a way that the developers did not want to happen, you will have consequences.

That's the only difference... the developers have found ways to protect themselves. That's why people are complaining.

So you're basically saying that, if you buy a hammer, a box of nails, wooden beams and boards from Building Supplies Inc, Ltd and you use those to build a house, Building Supplies Inc, Ltd can totally lay claim to that house?

That is so funny.

Your example doesn't match the original subject. The analogy would be more correct in the following fashion.

[You go to a store and buy a hammer, nails, boards, from Building Supplies Inc. When you go to your land and are about to build your house, you open the box and a force field prevents you from using the item you bought while it told you the terms of use of the object. You are not allowed to use the object unless you agree to these terms of use. Part of the terms of use is your example... that if you use the items in a form that is against the terms of use, they can simply "ban" you from touching the objects you were faulty against unless you replace them (Assume some odd future technology that simply prevents you)

In order to proceed, you say "accept". If you do not accept these terms, you can return the objects to the store you purchased them from. ]

There is no EULA for using hammers, nails, etc right now. And there are no terms of use. This is the best way I can convert your "physical obtainable" example to one that involves intellectual property.. which honestly ST, it's obvious you don't fully support/understand in terms of your previous conversations.

There is one thing that I will agree with. The "terms of use" should theoretically be given at time of purchase, not time of installation. But in our society as it is, it won't work that way.

[Alex06]

Tell the Romanians who shot up Miami schools last year because they weren't being given a free ride like other minorities were

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to leave this topic before I feel the need to counter every point in the OP which'll likely result in a long and pointless debate which will go in one of dustinbrowder's ears and out there other and result in yet another topic stating the same thing just with different wording.

Guys, you need to stop shit-talking Romanians. My parents are Romanian and though I am their biological child, I never lived there, only been on visits. Romanians are not douchebags or assholes.

[DemolitionSquid]

Guys, you need to stop shit-talking Romanians. My parents are Romanian and though I am their biological child, I never lived there, only been on visits. Romanians are not douchebags or assholes.

I agree. Its the Polish who are the real scum.

*looks around for Spychi*