What is worse? The story or bnet?

[evillesh]

The only way this will stop is if people stop posting in these topics. There's nothing that can be said in this topic that wasn't already talked about in the last 50 topics dustinbrowder made. Even the whole "which side was worse (SP vs MP)" topic has been done to death. This was nothing new but, even if it was, it could easily be contained in one of the other topics.

These topics are just ways for dustinbrowder to rehash his bitter disappointment and for him to have an almost acceptable place to rant where people will feed his childish need for attention whoring. If you're tired of this, then stop posting. This will probably be my last post in a dustinbrowder topic unless I find something that needs to be said again. I hope you all will do the same, for the sake of the forum.

^ this.

or make a subforum for QQ/TT threads.

[Gt2slurp]

Omg stop those thread.

The question is not what sux the most... It is what could be done to make a better game. They improved a lot of stuff since release, it is not going fast enough for a lot of us but they got an expansion on the way too. The stuff they did is good for the most part and they are carefully listening to the community.

They are by far more constructive than you.

[Freespace]

One thing to add. As a gamer, naturally I've come across awesome games, but also bad games. Guess what? I am not a member of the forums dedicated to games I've disliked.

[MuppZA]

Guess what? I am not a member of the forums dedicated to games I've disliked.

And no one should be either^^

[Jabber Wookie]

One thing to add. As a gamer, naturally I've come across awesome games, but also bad games. Guess what? I am not a member of the forums dedicated to games I've disliked.

Lol it is a bit strange that so many people who apparently hate SC2 love to post on this forum... Sure, I've ranted on a few threads about the quality of the single player story, but I did so 6 months ago and got over it. Those people need to find a game they like and join a forum dedicated to it instead of constantly degrading this one.

[Gifted]

DustinBrowder,

I first want to thank you for your attempts to keep conversations going on in the community we all share. No matter what you pull from this post by the end, I'm putting that as first line as I feel it's the most important. I appreciate your contributions to try and get conversations going and chit chat working. Some of it has been very thought provoking, but at this point there is a trend that I don't even know if you've realized that you've done.

Typically when a person puts up a poll, it's to see about getting data so they can intepret it and try to get constructive conversation going. Data, no matter how odd it is, is good for that and you are one of the members who has repeatedly tried to do it. Your respect for other members is high in my opinion and in these conversations you try to look at it from all angles, so you're doing nothing wrong in terms of the forum rules. In jist, you're a good contributor. ^_^

In light of all of this, I feel that you're starting these posts in a pessimistic/negative way to try and help you deal with your own frustrations. You want to complain and it's obvious you're seeking other people who want to complain with you. This sort of high focus on negative points will lead to a mob mentality conversation that typically goes into deconstructive conversation. (opposite of constructive conversation) While it's easy to convert this to constructive conversation by someone reminding people about what they should appreciate in the game, but typically in terms of forum conversations, the "value" of an idea is typically thought about in terms of posts instead of actual weights from all of our own conscious values.

Example Theory:

Hidden Content:

For example, by making ANOTHER thread about story concerns.. if that thread has 40 posts of people complaining about it, but 10 posts of people saying "But the other 90% of the game is very good" (even if everyone in the thread agrees with it), people will typically quantify it in their mind after reading it that "wow, 4 out of 5 posts is negative here" instead of "only 10% of the game is being complained about".

It's weird to write this to you, because typically along each one of your polls I truly believe you think you are trying to lead good constructive thoughts in a polite way, but in terms of how you're approaching it I think it's just you trying to fill a need to bitch about a consistent problem that has been nagging at you non-stop. Like a mosquito bite on the center of your back. No matter how hard it is to get your hand on it to scratch it, it's never enough, and it still bugs you every now and then.

But instead of saying "stop complaining LOLZORS!" and watching you create another thread that doesn't approach the true problem... I think it's more important to identify the true reason, I believe, that these polls exist. Let's look at all the polls, shall we?

I know most of you are really frustrated with Blizzard about the crap story, some shady voice acting choices, the custom maps screen and even editor.

So after 7 months, a ton of promises, few patches, is SC2 the amazing game you thought it would be, or is it still a screw-up?

Source: Poll: How would you rate SC2 now?

In this original post for this poll, you start by placing ideas in people's heads to try and enable people who want to complain to think "I'm not alone, I'm part of a mob, I will get people complaining with me to help me feel like I am not alone complaining about an issue that's truly important to me!". This is what I believe at least. You try to make this happen with a few statements that no matter how true they are... it doesn't change the fact that they immediately start the conversation in an extremely negatively bias approach.

What's interesting is that while the entire original post literally listed a small list of cons, it doesn't show the overwhelming amount of pros in the game. Which is uneven with your poll which had 50/50 positive and negative angles. I could get into this more, but it's the same basis... It's a thread to complain.

Hi there. What do you think, how many missions should the hots campaign have, considering most of you here and on other forums all think the missions themselves were great, but the story seemed a bit too drawn out and incoherent.

Source: Poll: How many missions in hots?

Another thread where you posted a poll that seemed insightful overall. But why did you feel the need to jab at the story? The answer could be because you had to "scratch the mosquito bite".

Granted, I think this is the only original post that involves both sides of the conversation. Oddly though, I don't know what it had to do with the idea of "how many missions should it have?"... the answer is a number afterall

We can all absolutely agree that SC2 story was not the best one to say the least, in fact it was childish, cliche, cheesy.

How many of you think Metzen and his writing team should retire and get some new talented people write the story.
Metzen can still act as a librarian and tell if the new writing team has swayed from the starcraft concepts somewhere, but ultimately he won't have any part in it.

Source: Metzen and his team should retire?

Here's another poll that you did that needed to have individuals come in and set it from destructive to constructive conversation. I personally found this poll hilarious, cause it would be like saying that Tolken shouldn't write the Two Towers cause Lord of the Rings didn't meet up to expectations after reading the Hobbit. It was his world afterall...

What's most important that can be pulled is that this poll, though it may "seem" to be about the writing staff... had nothing to do with that I believe. I truly believe this was again, you being very unhappy with the story... and you wanted to try a different angle to try and scratch that mosquito bite... maybe if we approach it from the writers.... maybe it will stop bugging me... Maybe if other people scratch their backs too, maybe I won't feel alone....

Hey all, with SC2 story not being good, I know there are people who didn't like the the voice acting as well.
I personally think its more because of bad writing that the characters are overall just not interesting enough and there is no actor that can make a cheesy line sound not cheesy.

I thought it was overall good, but can be a lot better. Having said that I know a lot of you aren't satisfied, so who should be on the chopping list?

Source: Voice actors, who is on the chopping list?

Yet another poll regarding a different angle to approach the bite. This time, let's not even go for the story itself, but let's see how the bite appreciates being scratched by the way the story sounds... maybe this itch will go away... naw.

It's still important to note that of all the polls posted, the majority of them have nothing positive to say in the introduction to the subject. Even regarding points to the posts that are completely unrelated to the story.

Hi there, We've had the story sucks, how to improve story, should metzen and co. retire threads as well as other.

There is one big question still unanswered though and it ties up to everything, from story to balance to design to everything. This question is how much new stuff does HOTS need to have to make it worthwhile?

Is adding 2-3 units per race in multiplayer and a new campaign good enough? How could such content compare to Starcraft 2 WOL?

Essentially the question would be what would you consider enough to make it worthwhile buying the expansion and more importantly does it ties in with value per money?

Source: New stuff in HOTS to make it worthwhile?

This poll leads me to explain why I said earlier that I truly believe you think you are trying to bring about constructive conversation. Despite the fact of how you come across or your words on the monitor show you as being negative and trying to plot ways to improve the story, it's obvious that deep down inside you are just looking for good conversations about issues you are concerned about. But even then you show that the itch is there eating you up. Even with the way that this poll is approached, it's almost like the "bad story" is a looming shadow that can be approached in the thread.

In fact, I think that since no one was really biting at the issue, you were sure to reintroduce it in post 9 of the thread by making sure everyone knew about your complaints about the story:

Actually in recent high level games its been used quite few times and to good level. It may just become more worthwhile as strategies become more thought out and better.

Anyways I wouldn't buy it if they just strapped new team color, come on that is just stupid.

I would like way way way better story, more cinematic, fixed storytelling mode and just more missions, since there won't be too much new stuff in the multiplayer gameplay.
Also as some have said, having all old SC1 models in the game, SP campaign or just editor.

I think I've a comprehensive list of features I would like added in another thread of mine, so that, plus this added, would make the expansion worthwhile.

Source: Post 9

Let's face it, the most important line of that thread was "I think I've a comprehensive list of features I would like added in another thread of mine, so that, plus this added, would make the expansion worthwhile". But you still made a specific jab at the storyline anyway beforehand. While I understand it may be a bit more filled out than your original list (addressed below), it's still obvious that you brought it out to help out your need to itch the same scratch. Didn't you already elude to this in the original post where you admitted that the story needs improvement in your eyes by showing that you've made 3 previous ENTIRE THREADS to the subject in some form? ("Hi there, We've had the story sucks, how to improve story, should metzen and co. retire threads as well as other.")

This is besides the point that this is pretty much a recreate/duplicate of a previous thread you posted...

[ ... Omitted information ... ]

Campaign

• Player chosen missions removed(ex: Zerathul missions). It created some whole in the story, since you can choose when to play a specific mission.
• Bring in the M rating, while WOL story was ok, it seemed pretty childish, considering the fate of 3 different races stands in the balance. Make it maturer.
• Greater missions ans story cohesion, more background story of surrounding characters.
• Achievements for all levels of difficulty

[ ... Omitted information ... ]

Source: SC2 HOTS Wish lists and improvements

This post was a bulletlist of things you'd like to see improved. What's most interesting is when you compare dates of this post and all of the other polls you created. This was the first of them all in October. The rest were later, between November and January. I almost want to say that this post was before "the bite" that needed to be scratched and may be the cause of it all.

You had something bugging you and while you liked the game, you also wanted to try and find a way to improve the game so the next one could be "better than the expirience you're having now". Nothing wrong with that! I personally view this as a great post. (Not to say I'm the end-all-be-all of post judgement, just sharing an opinion)

But I think in exploring this (IMHO) very constructive post here... the bite happened and nagged at you. Suddenly your really positive attitude and constructive tone in suggestion-giving and solution-finding changed to a slew of.. bluntly... bitch polls about the story.

When I realized that this "list" existed before all the polls, it inspired me to write this giant wall of text buddy. Even before this thread existed, before all the polls, you had a slew of good constructive posts with a good positive tone. Even in the bitch threads you find a way to pull that tone out in good discussion. The "back that needs to be scratched" is good.. the "itch from the mosquito bite" is the problem.

In other words, you are a great contributor... but I think you need to let go of bitch threads about the story. We get the point buddy, you wish it was better. ^_^

So what's the goal of my post here?

Well... just like your intent in creating polls to gather data to discuss, I wanted to provide some data to you. I'm doing this because I respect you as a community member and I feel that while you may know that you're frustrated with the story, you may not realize HOW MUCH it's sneaking into your posts. Let's throw some more data into the fray... reread post 2 of this thread you just started. Now read the original post again. I know you're better than this... I hope you don't view this as me attacking you, it's not my intent. My tone that I'm perceiving this involves me saying it in a calm and explanatory tone.

Who knows... maybe I'm just trying to be a back scratcher and an ounce of ointment... I think I'd like to see this "itch" go away as much as you do.

[Blazur]

Good 'ol Gifted...always the diplomat. Your patience and grace in response to pessimism is admirable indeed.

Just once I'd like to see you fly off the handle and lash out against somebody. That would be the day. You may also find you're able to convey a point with much less words

[Gifted]

Trust me Blazur... when I do fly off the handle... it's about 2-3 times the words. I call those "Buildings of text". and it typically takes 3-4 posts due to the character limit.

[flak4321]

Trust me Blazur... when I do fly off the handle... it's about 2-3 times the words. I call those "Buildings of text". and it typically takes 3-4 posts due to the character limit.

Lolz. So an angry gifted goes near simcity with his mega-length walls/buildings of text, eh? Remind me not to be the cause .

@DB: Gifted has some very good points about you. Take them to heart and include them in your thought. And consider this as you consider SC2's story: Sc1's wasn't all that great either in all honesty. It's just Blizz executed it so well and it was the first fully fleshed story computer technology was used to deliver, we might just have placed it on a pedestal of a height that we subconsciously regret because it is so inherently difficult to reach to for subsequent growths of the story.

I can admit my own disappointment witrh certain story elements spawns from this, though I could not at first acknowledge it. I can admit that I wasn't as open-minded about change in the story structure as i should have been. I can admit the multiplayer focus has its share of pros, as does the story, and these are enough to make me content with the product before me and hopeful and anticipatory of what is to come. Start here. What can you admit was good about the story? Did you make any errors similar to what I have admitted?

[Arkalis]

I hate the story and of course with bnet failed my expectations, what is worse so I can continue making threads of the same topic?

I think that was the original text

Anyway, why do you want to make a poll about what is worse if you state Most of you hate the story...