How did Tychus find Raynor?

[FanaticTemplar]

So, do you think Raynor is now well equipped to handle the Dominion in the future now? You've said the only chance they have against a 'well-equipped military' is if you stretch it thin across many worlds that are in revolt. Media Blitz is a start towards this but I truly wonder whether starting a revolution was a good idea in the beginning when the Zerg were literally knocking at the Dominion's door.

Good question, they're better equipped to be sure, and the Dominion's resources were being strained mightily for a while there. Of course, with the retreat of the Zerg following the attack on Char and their - whatever it is they are now, Mengsk will probably be able to consolidate somewhat too.

I guess my full answer is I don't know .

When Media Blitz was going on the Zerg were still on their rampage. Would you honestly think that many worlds would secede from a well-equipped army that is the Dominion and face the Zerg with a band of revolutionaries who hop-scotch the system to rally more supporters?

I'm getting the feeling Raynor is doing something wrong because it's like Raynor is saying "Well, you're free from the tyrannical Mengsk and the Dominion's over-bearing but powerful armies that can protect you better than I can. Not to mention that the Zerg are pretty much killing everything in Dominion territory right now. Never fear though, I'm gonna go leave now and round up some more supporters for our cause so we can come back and (maybe) save you. I promise. Remember, you're free now. The Zerg can kill you but they can't take your freedom away from you. Or whatever, umm, see ya!"

Well, those rebelling worlds weren't even rallying to Raynor, they were rebelling independently. Kinda the way that while Australia, Canada, Egypt, India, Ireland,, South Africa, the United States and so forth all broke off from the British Empire, they didn't form a new nation together. So they're even worse off than you assumed.

I agree with you, it's actually not that wise to be seceding when faced with an enemy like the Zerg who really doesn't care what your political affiliations are. But then, there are a number of things about Raynor in Wings of Liberty that I find disquieting. He reminds me of Arcturus himself at times, though that could just be an impression.

Turning her human, even if it is genuine, will not be enough to assuage the public at large she's one of the "good guys". You have to remember that the general public of the K sector don't have the information you have about Kerrigan and will most likely still want Kerrigan to burn no matter what she looks like or what she tries to do and that's if the public can even stomach allowing Kerrigan to try redeeming herself.

To be frank, I'm pretty sure the public of the Koprulu Sector don't even know that Kerrigan is the Queen of Blades. There's a news reports where they hypothesise that she might be an infested human.

[Turalyon]

So they're even worse off than you assumed.

I agree with you, it's actually not that wise to be seceding when faced with an enemy like the Zerg who really doesn't care what your political affiliations are.

This would have been a real meaty issue to explore. Shame, really since we never got a chance to in WoL and I'm not entirely sure we will either in HoTS. Although it remains to be seen whether the Zerg are really weakened or still pose a threat to the Dominion, the seceded worlds have been given a 'boon from the Gods' as it seems because both the Dominion and the Zerg are now sufficiently distracted for them to consolidate themselves. I'm not sure whether I should call BS on this or not...

In the end of WOL though, it's lucky the Swarm also happened to draw back from Dominion space to Char not long after Media Blitz and then be conveniently hamstrung with it's leader being incapacitated soon afterwards by the same guy that helped those worlds secede. Not only did Raynor give them a reason to secede from Mengsk's 'oppression' (if you could call Dominion rule even that) but he also gave them salvation by stopping the Zerg onslaught. All's right in the universe (or the K sector at least) and everyone should hail Raynor's godliness!!

But then, there are a number of things about Raynor in Wings of Liberty that I find disquieting. He reminds me of Arcturus himself at times, though that could just be an impression.

*rubs hands in anticipation for FT's next critique installment*

Is is that bad that Raynor shows shades of Mengsk? I wouldn't be surprised. That 'Nietzschean' quote about 'not battling monsters' maybe apt for Raynor...

To be frank, I'm pretty sure the public of the Koprulu Sector don't even know that Kerrigan is the Queen of Blades. There's a news reports where they hypothesise that she might be an infested human.

Does it even really matter for the public to know the identity of the Queen of Blades for them to cast judgement (rightly or wrongly) on her actions? I doubt it. The QoB now looking human and showing human traits of compassion and remorse will most likely fall to the deafening roar for vengeance for the QoBs crimes...

[Kimera757]

Well, those rebelling worlds weren't even rallying to Raynor, they were rebelling independently. Kinda the way that while Australia, Canada, Egypt, India, Ireland,, South Africa, the United States and so forth all broke off from the British Empire, they didn't form a new nation together. So they're even worse off than you assumed.

I agree with you, it's actually not that wise to be seceding when faced with an enemy like the Zerg who really doesn't care what your political affiliations are.

No, I think this is logical. Worlds rallied to the Dominion for protection against the zerg despite the rather large negatives of being controlled by a dictator. The zerg invade, and the Dominion quickly abandoned the fringe, so why stick with the Dominion? What do you get out of them? Allying with Raynor wouldn't help; without the artifact even Raynor couldn't take down the zerg (and the colonists wouldn't have known about the artifact).

[FanaticTemplar]

This would have been a real meaty issue to explore. Shame, really since we never got a chance to in WoL and I'm not entirely sure we will either in HoTS. Although it remains to be seen whether the Zerg are really weakened or still pose a threat to the Dominion, the seceded worlds have been given a 'boon from the Gods' as it seems because both the Dominion and the Zerg are now sufficiently distracted for them to consolidate themselves. I'm not sure whether I should call BS on this or not...

In the end of WOL though, it's lucky the Swarm also happened to draw back from Dominion space to Char not long after Media Blitz and then be conveniently hamstrung with it's leader being incapacitated soon afterwards by the same guy that helped those worlds secede. Not only did Raynor give them a reason to secede from Mengsk's 'oppression' (if you could call Dominion rule even that) but he also gave them salvation by stopping the Zerg onslaught. All's right in the universe (or the K sector at least) and everyone should hail Raynor's godliness!!

Now you're just complaining because the hero is heroic .

Does it even really matter for the public to know the identity of the Queen of Blades for them to cast judgement (rightly or wrongly) on her actions? I doubt it. The QoB now looking human and showing human traits of compassion and remorse will most likely fall to the deafening roar for vengeance for the QoBs crimes...

Yeah, but if they see human Kerrigan in the streets, they probably won't realise that she's the ex-Queen of Blades, they'll just see another Terran.

[inverseninja]

Well if you look at the cinematic where jim boards valerians ship and has that conversation with mengsk, its pretty clear that he knew what raynor wanted to do (get to kerrigan and try to dezergify her). Mengsk probably had the main goal of killing kerrigan, not saving her. So what he dd was he bribed tychus to tag along with jimmy and kill her when they get close. This way he can make Raynors raiders do the dirty work of invading char, and even if they fail and all die then so what? the rebelious group raynors raiders would be wiped out so it would be a win win for him this way. Also if you listen right before tychus shoots at kerrigan in the final cinematic you can hear mengsks voice on his headset say "You have your orders, now carry them out." and then he tries to shoot her. So in the end, I think Mengsk was just trying to use Jm raynors raiders to kill kerigan for him.

[Turalyon]

No, I think this is logical. Worlds rallied to the Dominion for protection against the zerg despite the rather large negatives of being controlled by a dictator. The zerg invade, and the Dominion quickly abandoned the fringe, so why stick with the Dominion? What do you get out of them? Allying with Raynor wouldn't help; without the artifact even Raynor couldn't take down the zerg (and the colonists wouldn't have known about the artifact).

Yes, but now those seceded worlds are truly on their own against the Zerg onslaught and have to rely on their own (meager?) resources to defend themselves. It's a case of "out of the frying pan, into the fire" kinda thing that those worlds are potentially doing because they have no idea that the Zerg could've been stopped let alone the extraordinary chain of events in WoL that were going to happen to save their skins.

Well if you look at the cinematic where jim boards valerians ship and has that conversation with mengsk, its pretty clear that he knew what raynor wanted to do (get to kerrigan and try to dezergify her). Mengsk probably had the main goal of killing kerrigan, not saving her. So what he dd was he bribed tychus to tag along with jimmy and kill her when they get close. This way he can make Raynors raiders do the dirty work of invading char, and even if they fail and all die then so what? the rebelious group raynors raiders would be wiped out so it would be a win win for him this way. Also if you listen right before tychus shoots at kerrigan in the final cinematic you can hear mengsks voice on his headset say "You have your orders, now carry them out." and then he tries to shoot her. So in the end, I think Mengsk was just trying to use Jm raynors raiders to kill kerigan for him.

Brian Kindregan at Blizzcon Story Panel said (back-pedaled rather) that Mengsk had not intended Tychus to kill Kerrigan right from the start. He said Mengsk was only "fishing" with Tychus and that only when the opportunity arose to kill Kerrigan, did he order Tychus to do it.

I think this was in response to a question about how Mengsk was able to orchestrate his 'ultimate' plan (ie: Xanatos Gambit) of killing Kerrigan and how one could expect Raynor to conceievably do it when any number of things could have derailed this effort.

[FanaticTemplar]

Brian Kindregan at Blizzcon Story Panel said (back-pedaled rather) that Mengsk had not intended Tychus to kill Kerrigan right from the start. He said Mengsk was only "fishing" with Tychus and that only when the opportunity arose to kill Kerrigan, did he order Tychus to do it.

I think this was in response to a question about how Mengsk was able to orchestrate his 'ultimate' plan (ie: Xanatos Gambit) of killing Kerrigan and how one could expect Raynor to conceievably do it when any number of things could have derailed this effort.

That sounds unlikely, one of the first scenes we get of Tychus on the Hyperion is him hacking into the database to research Kerrigan. Still, can't blame them for trying to make sense out of something which makes no sense.

[Turalyon]

That sounds unlikely, one of the first scenes we get of Tychus on the Hyperion is him hacking into the database to research Kerrigan. Still, can't blame them for trying to make sense out of something which makes no sense.

I know what you mean. Metzen admits it as a plothole, can't explain it and then handballs it to Brian Kindregan (full transcipt here: http://sclegacy.com/feature/106-bliz...-ii-lore-panel). Everything they say sounds like complete, on-the-spot arse-pulls - the Lore panel explained nothing but confirm the shambles that is WoLs story.

Either way, it all sounds bunk. Mengsk's ultimate plan (to kill Kerrigan) was a Xanatos Gambit where any number of things could of derailed it, only for it to be actually derailed at the last possible moment (or fulfilled, if you're into conspiracies). Just thinking about this makes me want to facepalm...too late, I already have.

[phazonjunkie]

Either way, it all sounds bunk. Mengsk's ultimate plan (to kill Kerrigan) was a Xanatos Gambit where any number of things could of derailed it, only for it to be actually derailed at the last possible moment (or fulfilled, if you're into conspiracies). Just thinking about this makes me want to facepalm...too late, I already have.

I believe the correct term for that would be a Xanatos Roulette. Of course, it still doesn't make it any less of an asspull, but oh well......

[Turalyon]

I believe the correct term for that would be a Xanatos Roulette. Of course, it still doesn't make it any less of an asspull, but oh well......

As is often the case with minutiae, I stand corrected.