Terrans weilding Protoss technology?

[Sarov]

Then it would do 99999 damage & be one-hit-kill anyway. :P

Nothing should be able to survive a direct Psi Blade slash to a vital area.

And therefore it shall be "terrible... terrible... damage!"

But on topic, no, nothing should survive that. Unless it has godlike regeneration.

[n00bonicPlague]

I wonder what was on the minds of the Protoss when they first witnessed a Nuke.

[Shadow Archon]

erm, let me rephrase that. The protoss don't even fully understand how their technology works. I've seen numerous stuff that express that idea, but I can't find any atm.

The closest I can find is this quote from b-net about the gateway


Most modern scientific technology used by the toss are pretty much full derived from xel'naga tech.

My point was I doubt a full understanding of the tech is required to actually use it. Im sure the people working on gestalt 0 had no idea how the khala functioned, they just decided to graft a couple appendages to a elite ghost. Similar to how we don't need to know the chemical process that creates fire before we can reproduce it.

I thought they were talking about the Xel'naga's Warp gates, not their own.

I wonder what was on the minds of the Protoss when they first witnessed a Nuke.

"Thats it?"

[n00bonicPlague]

"Thats it?"

I was thinking more along the lines of "lawl n00bs"

[newcomplex]

anyway I doubt understanding is relevent to usage. You don't need to comprehend a technology to know how to reproduce it. That being said, psi-blades on ghosts would be stupid anyway. Psi-blades usage for ghosts is akin to equipping our modern day infantry with super-experimental million of dollar a piece guns. Millions of dollars for a 20% effectiveness upgrade on one guy.

[Pandonetho]

That being said, psi-blades on ghosts would be stupid anyway. Psi-blades usage for ghosts is akin to equipping our modern day infantry with super-experimental million of dollar a piece guns. Millions of dollars for a 20% effectiveness upgrade on one guy.

Yes, this analogy makes complete sense! It's totally useless to equip a ninja with any melee weapons! Just give him a shotgun!

Just the same with a Ghost, it's totally useless to give a completely invisible and silent assassin a super deadly 1 hit kill melee weapon.

[Lupino]

anyway I doubt understanding is relevent to usage. You don't need to comprehend a technology to know how to reproduce it. That being said, psi-blades on ghosts would be stupid anyway. Psi-blades usage for ghosts is akin to equipping our modern day infantry with super-experimental million of dollar a piece guns. Millions of dollars for a 20% effectiveness upgrade on one guy.

Yes, yes you do need to comprehend how something works in order to reproduce it. You couldn't just give some random schumck from the 15th century an F-22 and expect him to come up with a copy. Hell they'd have trouble with the Wright Flyer!

The first problem is understanding how the machine works, which for the Flyer would be her internal combustion engines. Good luck taking apart those without damaging them and figuring out how the magneto or carburetor works just by looking at it. You could try putting them back together and doing some experiments, or attempt some individual test runs on each part, but seeing as you have no idea how it was built in the first place, again, good luck.

Not only that, but there is a whole host of support systems that you need in order to get the thing working. Where would our 15th century schmuck find gasoline when the tanks run dry, assuming he figures out that that's the machine's fuel source? That requires the creation of an entirely new industry, with all of the same pitfalls described here.

Now assuming they figure out what the parts do and how they go correctly together, they have to figure out how to build them. Which in turn requires figuring out the tools needed to build them. Which again requires figuring out the tools needed to build those tools, et cetera. Because unless you figure out how to build the parts to the right specifications, all you're going to get is a bloody mess that, hopefully, won't blow up in your face.

But it's still more than that. You still need to know not just how something works, but why it works, because because unless you know why you will never know how to make anything but crude copies or, more importantly, how to make it better. Making an internal combustion engine-powered airplane requires knowledge of how combustion works, how electricity works, how aerodynamics works, and if you don't understand it then your attempts to build an airplane are doomed.

Mind you, this is all regarding a very simple machine like the Wright Flyer. The more complex the machine, the more complex the science, the harder it is to replicate it (i.e. I highly doubt the Protoss are using C++ as a computer language). This is why nearly all examples of reverse engineering come from a common technological background, of comparative technological level, and not something as silly as cavemen learning how to build a nuclear reactor.

[newcomplex]

Yes, this analogy makes complete sense! It's totally useless to equip a ninja with any melee weapons! Just give him a shotgun!

Just the same with a Ghost, it's totally useless to give a completely invisible and silent assassin a super deadly 1 hit kill melee weapon.

Which is why we give our modern day assassins use katana's instead of silenced .44's and sniper rifles. Swords would be completely useless unless you were going literally up to their face. In which case a knife would be far more efficient.

And then, when ghosts are employed on the battle-feild, giving long range snipers...psi blades...would be even more useless.

The psi blade would specifically designed for frontal, combatal use, similar to a broad sword that can pierce tanks. NOT a stealth weapon. The main advantage of the psi blade is can be easily manipulated to be used defensively, like a real sword. It BLOCKS attacks in addition to instantly disintegrating anything it comes in contact with. Terrans already have "light sabers" in the form of fusion cutters, which could just as easily and reduntantly used to spectacularly decapitate a marine (instead of just shooting him in the head with a gause pistol or something). The difference is that a fusion cutter is useless as a defensive weapon. Ghosts, being assassins do not need a defensive weapon, and it would take years of training to even learn how to effectively use the psi-blade as a defensive weapon.

If giant glowing rods of energy would be anything close to an effective weapon for ghosts, they would have fusion cutters. Note how rediculous that sounds? exactly.

[Pandonetho]

hosts, being assassins do not need a defensive weapon, and it would take years of training to even learn how to effectively use the psi-blade as a defensive weapon.

I like how you pull "facts" out of the air. Maybe you're just ignorant, Ghosts know how to fight, they don't only know how to use guns, maybe you didn't know that.
As for taking years to learn how to use the psi blade? Where did you get that from? Your ass? We have no clue how long it takes, so don't make things up.

Also, our "modern" day assassins can't turn invisible.

Fusion cutters do 5 damage in game, compared to the Zealot's 16, now if you have any other evidence suggesting that fusion cutters are as strong as psi blades go right ahead and post it. That's exactly like saying I could use a blow torch instead of a sword and it'd be just as effective, which is BS.

swords would be completely useless unless you were going literally up to their face. In which case a knife would be far more efficient.

Who the hell said anything about swords? We're talking about psi blades.

So are you telling me that when a Ghost confronts a Marauder in an installation he's going to pull out his sniper rifle as opposed to his psi blade with which he can just sever off the arms? Yeah, right.

[Kimera757]

Ghost melee makes sense, especially in installation or "easy" missions, because stealth makes it possible to get close and cut through stuff. That's how it would have been used in StarCraft: Ghost.

In StarCraft: Issue 4 (the comic), a ghost uses rifle butt and knife attacks. She's quite good at it, beating up a powerhouse in only three blows. (It helps that she's strong enough, with her suit enhancement, to lift a 250-pound guy off the ground with one arm!)

And then Sarah Kerrigan herself, who was a good hand with a knife and perfectly capable of breaking people's necks with her kick attacks. Note: pre-infestation. With a psi blade, she'd be even nastier up close. (So instead she gets claws and wings... ouch.)

Gestalt Zero learned how to use a psi-blade in less than two years, and that was before he got the templar-grade upgrade too. If anything, you can learn to use a psi-blade really fast. I think you only need a long time if you're learning to fight an opponent who is also using a psi blade.