Terrans weilding Protoss technology?

[Norfindel]

I'm just saying that if you had a gadget that was composed of a bunch of parts that were wired in a certain arrangement, you could theoretically build another of said gadget if you had those same parts and wired them exactly in the same arrangement without needing to understand the whys and hows of it. It's part of how mass production works. I doubt those machines have any awareness/intelligence much less know how whatever they are building works.

Well, if the Protoss give the Terrans the entire building facility, or the tech itself, it's possible that some small % of the Ghosts can use some of it, as all Protoss tech is controlled by psionics. In the Corsair, for example, it's the pilot who casts Disruption Web, by focusing it's own energy thru the ship's weapon systems http://classic.battle.net/scc/protos.../corsair.shtml

It would be way more benefical to understand how the tech works, and use it as augments for the Ghosts, or use their knowledge of physics (like anti-matter handling) but that is very difficult without the Protoss willingly teaching them.

Remember that the Terrans frequently fight among their own ranks, and the Protoss had seen this happening for a very long time. Would you give them, say, 100 Colossus, and the way to control them?

[mr. peasant]

Well, if the Protoss give the Terrans the entire building facility, or the tech itself, it's possible that some small % of the Ghosts can use some of it, as all Protoss tech is controlled by psionics. In the Corsair, for example, it's the pilot who casts Disruption Web, by focusing it's own energy thru the ship's weapon systems http://classic.battle.net/scc/protos.../corsair.shtml

It would be way more benefical to understand how the tech works, and use it as augments for the Ghosts, or use their knowledge of physics (like anti-matter handling) but that is very difficult without the Protoss willingly teaching them.

Remember that the Terrans frequently fight among their own ranks, and the Protoss had seen this happening for a very long time. Would you give them, say, 100 Colossus, and the way to control them?

Hence why I suggested that out of everyone, it'd most likely be the Umojans who attain Protoss technology, seeing as how they are essentially the most benevolent of the major powers. And that in order to do so, they might have to resort to theft. Combined, their more or less peaceful nature makes them the most likely to escape Protoss retaliation should those on Shakuras discover the Umojans happened to have pilfered an old temple or stole tech from wayward cults (like the ones we saw Raynor fighting).

[Norfindel]

Hence why I suggested that out of everyone, it'd most likely be the Umojans who attain Protoss technology, seeing as how they are essentially the most benevolent of the major powers. And that in order to do so, they might have to resort to theft. Combined, their more or less peaceful nature makes them the most likely to escape Protoss retaliation should those on Shakuras discover the Umojans happened to have pilfered an old temple or stole tech from wayward cults (like the ones we saw Raynor fighting).

Yes, probably they could get some Protoss tech. After all, Bel'Shir and Aiur have abandoned Protoss structures. It's likely that there is some lost tech out there to get. Maybe a Ghost can use it, if they can somehow made the suit to channel energy tru it (and that's a big maybe), but i don't think it's likely for Terran scientists to get anything clear from the artifact's workings. It's just too damn different.

[Josue]

All this thread reminded me of something: when you play with protoss and (using mind control) get a terran SCV therefore you control both races...
but you can't repair protoss technology.
That made me wonder about how protoss build everything they have since everything is just warped, not really built!
Besides of that (unlike terran) there's no way to repair anything that suffered damage, I wonder if that's also true lore wise or the protoss can actually "repair" damaged zealot suits or Dragoon Exoskeletons or Reavers, Carriers or even buildings.
If all their technology is the result of reverse engineering their Gods: the Xel'Naga, Do they understand it completely or not? Or they just understand enough to make it work, thus making some secrets impossible for both protoss and terran to unveil and go beyond?

[Zero]

All this thread reminded me of something: when you play with protoss and (using mind control) get a terran SCV therefore you control both races...
but you can't repair protoss technology.
That made me wonder about how protoss build everything they have since everything is just warped, not really built!
Besides of that (unlike terran) there's no way to repair anything that suffered damage, I wonder if that's also true lore wise or the protoss can actually "repair" damaged zealot suits or Dragoon Exoskeletons or Reavers, Carriers or even buildings.
If all their technology is the result of reverse engineering their Gods: the Xel'Naga, Do they understand it completely or not? Or they just understand enough to make it work, thus making some secrets impossible for both protoss and terran to unveil and go beyond?

You bring forth a really good point, but I must disagree. During the Aeon of Strife, several of the tribes made it their main objective to destroy anything left behind by the Xel'Naga. Once the Khaydarin crystals had been found, and the Khala re-established, the Protoss race grew very fast, but they really had little to work with other than the Khaydarin crystals. Everything they've built up since then has been on their own.

The reason Protoss tech can't be easily repaired is because it so complex. Why? For the same reason that I don't expect the Terran to ever fully understand Protoss technology. Protoss live for hundreds of years, and can work far more efficiently due to their connection to others through the Khala. Their capabilities of knowledge and understanding far exceed anything a single human could gain in a few decades of life. Back to the tech, it is probably far too complex to quickly repair, unlike Terran tech, where an SCV could reattach/replace a few wires or hoses, weld a piece of sheet metal over the damaged section, and be done with it.

However, this doesn't explain why the Protoss couldn't use nanites or nano-machines to repair their equipment. Unless they're paranoid that the nanite will change their programing and seek to devour the galaxy.

[Gradius]

The Dark Templar were actually banished via a Xel'Naga ship from which much of their tech was reverse-engineered. But I doubt it helped them that much. Simply having the technology doesn't help when it looks like it's just working by magic. They still had to start from the ground up. Once the Protoss were unified it took them ~2000 years to climb from a stone age level to get Colossus tech.

I suspect Gestalt Zero's psiblade, and any other "psyblades" if they still exist are just simply stolen psi blades which might have been modified. We saw in "Why We Fight" that the psi blade is a separate arm piece, which looks like it's easy to lose. I don't think the Terrans can actually produce these weapons.

It used to be one-hit/one-kill until they removed it. I bitched that they should have just made it do damage, but the cancellation of the game makes that moot, right?

Then it would do 99999 damage & be one-hit-kill anyway. :P

Nothing should be able to survive a direct Psi Blade slash to a vital area.

[n00bonicPlague]

In SC1, Medics could heal Zealots and both types of Templar.

[newcomplex]

IIRC Zeratul mentioned that no Terran mind could understand how a Pylon works. And that's very likely, as our tech relies heavily on electronics, that have nothing to do with crystals that seemingly magically enhance psionic capabilities and allows for ceirtain abilities to be casted much easier.

In the case the Protoss wanted to reverse-engineer Terran tech, it wouldn't be much easier, either, as they don't use the same tech, and don't have the knowledge needed to understand the device. The easier way would be to get a lot of data from the Terrans, like electronic's theory, design, and what the hell the small black rectangles do, but for that you must first be able to hack into their networks, or something like that.

Maybe the Terrans hijacked the Zealot's arm crystals, and they happened to work with the Ghost's energy.
I don't see how they would be able to reverse-engineer Protoss tech. That seems nearly impossible to do, and still more unlikely after just a few years of research.

The protoss don't even understand how pylons work, they just know how to build them.

[Shadow Archon]

The protoss don't even understand how pylons work, they just know how to build them.

When was that stated?

[newcomplex]

When was that stated?

erm, let me rephrase that. The protoss don't even fully understand how their technology works. I've seen numerous stuff that express that idea, but I can't find any atm.

The closest I can find is this quote from b-net about the gateway

Once a gateway has been established, it can be reconfigured to an even more remarkable device: a warp gate. The technology used in a warp gate is barely understood even by the advanced sciences of the protoss, having been reverse engineered from ancient Xel’Naga devices found on Aiur and Shakuras. It is a measure of the desperation of the protoss that they are now willing to attempt to build such devices themselves.

Most modern scientific technology used by the toss are pretty much full derived from xel'naga tech.

My point was I doubt a full understanding of the tech is required to actually use it. Im sure the people working on gestalt 0 had no idea how the khala functioned, they just decided to graft a couple appendages to a elite ghost. Similar to how we don't need to know the chemical process that creates fire before we can reproduce it.

from the wiki on kaydharin crsyals (which pylons are made out of)

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Khaydarin_crystal

They the crystals could be

used by the xel'naga to facilitate their genetic experiments in an unknown manner

in addition

They have been used as "computers"; a particularly large crystal appeared to act like a xel'naga-designed artificial intelligence.[1]

They have been used as "storehouses of information" by the xel'naga; they played such as role in the chambers beneath Aiur.[1] Khaydarin crystals are part of the computer system of the warp prism.[4]

So while the protoss do have khaydarin based computers, they seem to be heavily based on the samples of the original xel'naga computers. I doubt they have a thorough understanding of the crystals, even after thousands of years of study. They just reverse engineer xel'naga tech, with a limited understanding of how it works.