Terrans weilding Protoss technology?

[Kimera757]

I'm still not convinced that any Psi Blades can be mass produced.

Terrans do have the ability to make psionic technology. I suspect that, if terrans can create psionic blades that don't use the Khala, that they could mass-produce them (in relative terms, they're probably still expensive, exotic technology). And sine Gestalt Zero could use a psi blade before he could enter the Khala*, I think either psi blades don't need the Khala or the terran version doesn't need it.

(Burgess talked about how he was going to appropriate the protoss' Khala for the gestalts' purposes, suggesting Gestalt Zero couldn't enter the Khala. Which might explain why Burgess wanted to learn about the Khala; he couldn't use Zero as a test subject for that.)

As I've said before, the Zealot's Psi Blade is just a separate unit which goes on his arm. It's not even connected to the rest of his armor.

I always thought it was, which would make them difficult to get. The terrans might have had a few and eventually reverse-engineered them to make their own copies.

The PsyBlade just looks like it was heavily modified to be useful for Ghosts.

If they're stealing psi-blades, they'd have to modify them to be smaller. (Those "pods" they come out look heavy, and are designed for nearly ten-foot-tall aliens.)

And you have to take Dr. Burgess's claims that Gestalt Zero was going into "mass production" into perspective, because you don't "mass produce" Khalai nerve cords.

Or, more to the point, Templar cords. I agree, Templar cords would seriously bottleneck gestalt production. I'm not sure I agree that psi blades must be modified. Alas, info on StarCraft: Ghost here is really vague; we're told the Dominion started using various new technologies, and one news report said it was a "hybrid" of protoss and terran tech. That could mean stolen and modified, or mostly terran built with some protoss stuff stuck in, or even copied protoss tech. If it doesn't involve khaydarin crystals, then it's at least plausible they're "mass produced". I suppose it boils down to... are using stolen protoss blades really parsimonious? If they're attached to the suit, it seems like it'd be harder to steal them than to replicate them.

[Gradius]

And sine Gestalt Zero could use a psi blade before he could enter the Khala*, I think either psi blades don't need the Khala or the terran version doesn't need it.

I think it's the former. The only explanation for how they work was mental power being focused through a crystal - something even a Ghost could do.

I always thought it was, which would make them difficult to get.

There seems to be different Zealot suits. The SC2 Zealot concept has his entire arm armored. The Protoss in "Why We Fight" just had separate forearm units. It even shows a Protoss suiting up - they just slip them on & that's it.

I do think Terrans can find them easily enough though, especially since there's two per Zealot. For example, a Zealot's arm gets cut off, he warps back to a safe haven, but his arm stays on the battlefield with the forearm unit completely intact.

[newcomplex]

Oh yes, let's just ignore my post entirely and say I'm making things up without trying to disprove any of it. Way to lose an argument.



Before I reply to this, I'm going to predict that my following statement will blow your mind out of the water and thus you'll ignore it. Guess what, you're using a double standard. You have NO PROOF THAT GOLIATH PILOTS WON'T GET SNIPED EVERY SINGLE TIME USING A GLASS SHIELD. Guess what, the burden lies on your to disprove it because saying something like "you have no proof that cameras wouldn't fail en-mass" is bullshit. What is your reasoning that they'll fail en-mass? Who the hell is going to hack into them? If they could be hacked into, then the entire goliath would be hacked not just the cameras. Stop pulling bullshit answers.



My are you quite the hypocrite. Because what you just said describes exactly what you're doing, or are you going to deny it?



And look who doesn't know what he's talking about. You.



Why don't you read your own arguments? Mine actually use LOGIC.
Now if you have actual evidence as to why ghosts with psi blades are stupid then post it instead of just saying they're stupid.



And yet again you show nothing but your own biased opinion. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Earlier you said that I'm making things up just to justify my own personal taste? Read the quote, what does it sound like? Your own personal taste, you stupid hypocrite.

I find it immensely funny you don't get it yet.

Hey, guess what? It's generally accepted that close combat units generally win when they get into close combat with people using guns! Even real life proves it. Yes, they have access to SMGs but do you actually think that an SMG is strong enough to penetrate some of the enemies that Ghosts might have to fight, as opposed to a psi blade?

Heres something you said

Also, our "modern" day assassins can't turn invisible.

So essentially, first you disprove my real life analogy with "this isn't real life bro", then you use the same real life examples and apply them to the game.

Yes, current day SMG's cannot penetrate armor. But in starcraft, standard gauss rifles are capable of functioning as midly ineffective anti-air turrets. Whos to say their SMG's, cant at least penetrate armor? Even today, we can make anti-armor rounds on large weapons, 500 years in the future its not at all a stretch to think they can make modern day armor piercing machine guns into the size of an smg.

You make so many of these numerous contradictions throughout your argument I'm not going to point out.

and your arguments aren't logical. In order for your arguments to be logical, we have to assume a couple things.

a)If someones shooting at you, that rather then shoot them back, you running up to them and attack them with a psi-blade is a superior option (note that ghosts do not have a sheilds of the protoss. This makes it very hard to approach enemies who are shooting at you without stealth, if not impossible)

b)ghosts, a special operations squad designed for pre-emptive strikes, sniping, battle-feild support, black-ops assassinations, counter-insurgency and a lot of other special op roles will be fighting melee opponents such as zerglings, hydralisks and zealots, in close range situations, on a solo basis

Find me a military role where "psi-blades" fit in. Note that it has to be solo, as if the ghost had cover fire, and the ghost lacks the sheilds a protoss has, a blade will be almost impossible to use.

c)that their is no way a ghost can efficiently assassinate a armored close range target without the use of psi-blades

Its not that a ghost will never encounter scenarios where a psi-blade will be useful, its that I find it dumb to equip a ghost with a piece of gear he will literally use in maybe 2%-3% of his missions, that couldn't be supplemented by an existing, cheaper piece of gear.

[Pandonetho]

So essentially, first you disprove my real life analogy with "this isn't real life bro", then you use the same real life examples and apply them to the game.

Maybe you should learn how to read? Did I ONLY use real life for my argument? Nope, in science fiction universes melee weapons own ranged weapons when guys using them get into close range.

Yes, current day SMG's cannot penetrate armor. But in starcraft, standard gauss rifles are capable of functioning as midly ineffective anti-air turrets. Whos to say their SMG's, cant at least penetrate armor? Even today, we can make anti-armor rounds on large weapons, 500 years in the future its not at all a stretch to think they can make modern day armor piercing machine guns into the size of an smg.

Except for the fact you have to use a needle weapon (AKA GAUSS RIFLE) to penetrate marine armor, as stated in the lore. And no where in the lore to date that I know of has there been an SMG that is a needler, secondly, Marauder armor is probably twice as strong as a marine's. Third, even if there is an SMG that can penetrate marine armor, these things can run out of ammo. Guns, can run out of ammo. Having a backup weapon is always a good idea. Now you're probably just going to reply with "he screwed up he deserves to die." However, that isn't even an argument. Prove how having a psi blade is counter productive and maybe I'll see your point, right now, I don't.

You make so many of these numerous contradictions throughout your argument I'm not going to point out.

Yet, you've failed to even point out a single contradiction.

a)If someones shooting at you, that rather then shoot them back, you run up to them and attack them with a psi-blade is a superior option

You think psi blades are only meant for fighting? Gestalt Zero can assassinate guys silently using a psi blade.

b)ghosts, a special operations squad designed for pre-emptive strikes, sniping, battle-feild support, black-ops assassinations, counter-insurgency and a lot of other special op roles will be fighting melee opponents such as zerglings, hydralisks and zealots, in close range situations.

You make all these assumptions and yet we do see Gestalt Zero fighting Hydralisks with a psi blade and he's good enough to dodge their spines. We saw Kerrigan use the butt of her gun to smash through a Goliath's glass shielding, oh why oh why didn't she shoot him instead? She must be stupid.

c)that their is no way a ghost can efficiently assassinate a armored close range target without the use of psi-blades

Did I ever say that? No?

So what is YOUR argument that they shouldn't have psi blades?

First of all, prove to me this.

That it's detrimental to the Ghost. If you can't even prove it, you should be the one who should stop arguing because you're only whining about "it doesn't make sense!!!!!" and yet that's all you're doing.

[newcomplex]

Maybe you should learn how to read? Did I ONLY use real life for my argument? Nope, in science fiction universes melee weapons own ranged weapons when guys using them get into close range.



Except for the fact you have to use a needle weapon (AKA GAUSS RIFLE) to penetrate marine armor, as stated in the lore. And no where in the lore to date that I know of has there been an SMG that is a needler, secondly, Marauder armor is probably twice as strong as a marine's. Third, even if there is an SMG that can penetrate marine armor, these things can run out of ammo. Guns, can run out of ammo. Having a backup weapon is always a good idea. Now you're probably just going to reply with "he screwed up he deserves to die." However, that isn't even an argument. Prove how having a psi blade is counter productive and maybe I'll see your point, right now, I don't.



Yet, you've failed to even point out a single contradiction.



You think psi blades are only meant for fighting? Gestalt Zero can assassinate guys silently using a psi blade.



You make all these assumptions and yet we do see Gestalt Zero fighting Hydralisks with a psi blade and he's good enough to dodge their spines. We saw Kerrigan use the butt of her gun to smash through a Goliath's glass shielding, oh why oh why didn't she shoot him instead? She must be stupid.



Did I ever say that? No?

So what is YOUR argument that they shouldn't have psi blades?

First of all, prove to me this.

That it's detrimental to the Ghost. If you can't even prove it, you should be the one who should stop arguing because you're only whining about "it doesn't make sense!!!!!" and yet that's all you're doing.

1)http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/AGR-14_rifle

lolwat

2)Yes, because I need a lightsaber to assassinate people silently

3)So your telling me a ghost can realistically bypass 3 or more marines armed with the modern day equivelent of helicopter mounted miniguns aware of the ghosts presence in a direct charge with a melee weapon

huh.

4)Well, if the psi-blade is a)inefficient for assassinations and b)not viable for assaulting multiple ranged enemies....their is very little reason to use them outside of unprecedented scenarios. Which can't be prepared for.

[Pandonetho]

lolwat

lol learn the difference between an assault rifle and an SMG.

2)Yes, because I need a lightsaber to assassinate people silently

It's another weapon in the Ghost's arsenal.

3)So your telling me a ghost can realistically bypass 3 or more marines armed with the modern day equivelent of helicopter mounted miniguns aware of the ghosts presence in a direct charge with a melee weapon

Does everything have to involve a charge with you? Psi blades are not just a charge and attack weapon. They're used in conjunction with the acrobatics of the Ghost.

4)Well, if the psi-blade is a)inefficient for assassinations

And who says it's inefficient? You? From what I've seen, Gestalt Zero, an average Ghost, kicked ass with a psi blade. From what I've seen from you, zero evidence.

)not viable for assaulting multiple ranged enemies.

Yes, Ghosts can use guns too, I've never said they couldn't.

their is very little reason to use them outside of unprecedented scenarios. Which can't be prepared for.

And yet you have not proved a SINGLE detrimental factor to having a Ghost equipped with a Psi blade.

Hey, BIG FLASHING NEON LIGHT SIGN: If you can't suggest a single detrimental factor to using psi blades, then what are you complaining about? Obviously your own personal dislike for them, or can you prove otherwise? If you can, post some reasons for why having a psi blade is detrimental. If you can't even do this, then I'll say it again, just stop.

Why do you think the Spetsnaz special forces uses the ballistic knife? Oh right, you don't have an answer to that so you just decide to ignore it the last time I pointed it out.

[Norfindel]

There's something to take into account about Protoss tech. If they use Khydarin crystals, can a race not engineered by the Xel'Naga use them, even if they're psychics?

[Kimera757]

Not all their tech uses crystals, I think. (Alternatively, the terrans found a different way of channeling the power.)

[newcomplex]

It's another weapon in the Ghost's arsenal.

That costs money and space and research time.

Does everything have to involve a charge with you? Psi blades are not just a charge and attack weapon. They're used in conjunction with the acrobatics of the Ghost.

Acrobatics of a ghost? Thats what I meant by the concept of charging. As in charging towards your enemy, not nessicary by brute strength. No matter how much "acrobatics" I use, I will not be able to approach a fortification of marines with minigun strength weapons, without the sheilds of a zealot to protect me. It would be useful if the marines are unfortified and unaware, but then a ghost could just bust out his gun and mow them down, just if not more quickly.

And who says it's inefficient? You? From what I've seen, Gestalt Zero, an average Ghost, kicked ass with a psi blade. From what I've seen from you, zero evidence.

Inefficient at assassinations . Yes, he can "kick ass" with it. But if your purpose is to take down a single target as efficiently is possible, lightsabers are not the way to do it.

Yes, Ghosts can use guns too, I've never said they couldn't.

But if 99% of roles could be preformed better/identically by a gun, 1% doesn't justify psi-blades.

And yet you have not proved a SINGLE detrimental factor to having a Ghost equipped with a Psi blade.

Hey, BIG FLASHING NEON LIGHT SIGN: If you can't suggest a single detrimental factor to using psi blades, then what are you complaining about? Obviously your own personal dislike for them, or can you prove otherwise? If you can, post some reasons for why having a psi blade is detrimental. If you can't even do this, then I'll say it again, just stop.

Why do you think the Spetsnaz special forces uses the ballistic knife? Oh right, you don't have an answer to that so you just decide to ignore it the last time I pointed it out.

Because ballistic knifes cost 15$ on ebay.

-_-

guess how much psi-blades cost. If I can equip a ghost with psi-blades for 15$ or 150$ or 1500$ or even 15000$, it might be worth it, for the <5% chance of use. Considering I need to splice protoss dna with terran to make a ghost capable of using a psi-blade, I don't think its a very good investment. The rest of my argument consists of proving how actual tactical use of a psi-blade is very, very small.

Contrary to what you may think, where I don't address questions that are good, I don't address the ones that are extremely stupid, such as comparing some 20$ knife to alien technology that requires gene-splicing in order to use.

[Pandonetho]

Your assumptions of the costs are completely unfounded. Research time? I'm sorry, but they probably just picked it up from the battlefield and made modifications to it. Ghosts are the epitome of human evolution, Terrans already spend a lot of resources decking out Ghosts. Somehow research time is considered a negative? Terrans will always continue to research things, that's a moot point.

Considering I need to splice protoss dna with terran to make a ghost capable of using a psi-blade

Proof?

Contrary to what you may think, where I don't address questions that are good, I don't address the ones that are extremely stupid, such as comparing some 20$ knife to alien technology that requires gene-splicing in order to use.

Oh yes, because the sole reason the Spetsnaz use it is because it's cheap. /sarcasm.

At the end of it all, you still have failed to prove anything regarding the psi blade and how it's detrimental to a ghost's abilities. Seeing as how Ghosts are hardly something that exist en-mass, they're something you'd want to spend time making as good as possible. Not only that, you're under the assumption that guns are the solution to everything, and your only (weak) argument is that if a Ghost ever gets into a melee situation he screwed up and that's that. Nope, he shouldn't have a melee weapon to deal with the situation.

The rest of my argument consists of proving how actual tactical use of a psi-blade is very, very small.

Actually the rest of your argument consists of zero evidence and assumptions.
So let me get this straight, even if it DOES take Protoss gene splicing (which you've yet to provide evidence for), you're not going to apply a psi blade to him to ensure the survival of your enhanced soldier should he run into circumstances that were not forseen? Sorry, but I've yet to hear a single post from you that actually points out the negatives of having a psi blade.

Guess what, don't post again if you're going to use strawman arguments. Post again if you have actual points to make about what negatives there are to having a psi blade (on a rare super soldier that was further enhanced to become more valuable).