RTS masterminds NaDa and Moon to clash in SC2 exhibition game

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

Is that what constitutes accomplishment to you? And they're called "medals" not "metals". Also just because you're a dumbshit that hasn't heard of NaDa doesn't mean that he isn't incredibly famous, yes, on a boxer level. (he is.)

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Accomplishment is measured different by everyone, so yes. I have heard of NaDa, and imho he is nothing compared to Boxer.

And please forgive my spelling, I'm on codeine for my busted shoulder and not all here.

Wherever here is... ?

Many people still accept Boxer as the best because he started from scratch and showed everyone that the Terran weren't the weakest race that everyone thought they were.

Nada built off from what was already invented.

An analogy would be like Blizzard's concept art which they make from scratch, and Mr. Jack refining that art to make it look better.

All I said was most accomplished. Accomplished in the game of Starcraft. Not acocmplished in being a famous korean. The fact that he's the most accomplished STARCRAFT PLAYER is unquestionable and not a matter of opinion.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

All I said was most accomplished. Accomplished in the game of Starcraft. Not acocmplished in being a famous korean. The fact that he's the most accomplished STARCRAFT PLAYER is unquestionable and not a matter of opinion.

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There are many athletes who are considered "the best" even when they do not hold the most victories. Accomplishment to some is fame, or money, not total victories. It is entirely subjective.

But whatever. I'm tired and sick of always arguing with you. Take your victories, I'll take mine.

Looks cool. Cant wait to see it!

google translate...

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Starcraft is currently in development are available to meet directly, Ⅱ, Ⅱ Starcraft public demonstration, on December 24 (gold), 'e Stars Seoul 2009, Seoul Trade and Convention Center is the host (SETEC) is expected to be on.
In the demonstration of Starcraft Ⅱ hand experience of the Hangul version, you can see, as well as domestic pro Starcraft gamers through Ⅱ may find yourself in the game unfold.


Date / Time: Friday, July 24, 10:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Location: hakyeoulyeok, the Trade and Convention Center (SETEC)

Description: Starcraft Ⅱ demonstrated in development opportunities, professional gamers watch the game of Starcraft Ⅱ



Afford to give if you're looking for a debating society participation, so a lot of the fans, I think the demonstration, along with comments on Starcraft Ⅱ hope that the story is! :)


e contents of the Stars website also can see the demonstration.



<Questions & Answers>


Is any of Starcraft Ⅱ public demonstration?
Ⅱ and waiting for Starcraft fans for many South Korea, Starcraft Ⅱ has developed a position of experience available. In the demonstration, as well as be able to play a direct, professional gamers Ⅱ game of Starcraft and experience the various events can be indirect through.


Do all you can participate in the demonstration? Possible or necessary inwonman qualified invited, is not it?
And is a major event for fans. Come enjoy a fun, mind.


This position is available for free?
Yes, There is no admission fee.


e Stars 26 days from the July 24 to end, which does go to the demonstration the same schedule?
24 days will be only for a day.


Go to the completion of the game?
The development is still in progress, the game is more for completeness, they are subject to various matters.


Occur, how do you demonstrate?
Demonstration, 30 minutes, 10 minutes in turn consists of one innings, is scheduled for 13 innings.
Can be first demonstrated.


Does age limit for a demonstration?
Under the age of 15 you can play a direct 'siyeonjon' position is limited.
But a lot, but I prepared a pro gamer video games and watch their indirect experience can do.


Do you shoot?
Can play a direct 'siyeonjon' in the photos, video recording is limited.


How does the professional gamer game?
Starcraft Pro gamers invited Ⅱ 10 through 1:01 pyeolchipnida games.
Five times in the match against the total of the game each time, depending on the yirueojimyeo 1-3 game, is expected to be in progress.


Who do you find a professional gamer?
If confirmed this is expected to be released later.

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http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...Id=18358914749

"Update: Our sources tell us that the Nada and Moon match or anything related to StarCraft II will likely not be broadcast."

Ugh, just when I was starting to get hyped up about this.

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Originally Posted by GeeGee

"Update: Our sources tell us that the Nada and Moon match or anything related to StarCraft II will likely not be broadcast."

Ugh, just when I was starting to get hyped up about this.

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That couldnt be write or could be? Why would they let 2 of pros to play the game and not give us stream or w/e...
Im still hoping for videos.

Edit: "The matches are said to be broadcasted by GotFrag as well as OnGameNet and Daum. The date for the exhibition matches are set to July 24."
I think they will broadcast it.

I just hope either one of them uses z & play it good unlike the battle reports we've seen so far.

May the best player win~

moon might win. he has played starcraft 2 more than nada. and moon is a good RTS player. anything can happen

I believe moon has a good chance of winning.

I think NaDa will take it. Starcraft is just so much faster than Warcraft 3 and by all accounts Starcraft 2 happens with Starcraft like speed; NaDa's experience playing that fast, regardless of the Starcraft vs Warcraft 3 mechanics etc debate, will be enough to swing it if nothing else.

NaDa has played thousands upon thousands of games at that speed - people mention that NaDa is going to have to unlearn some of the things he's been conditioned into doing for Starcraft, well Moon will need to do the same for things he's used to in Warcraft - and assuming that Moon has played as much Warcraft 3 as NaDa has Starcraft then he is going to be very much tuned in to Warcraft 3's slower pace.

I also very much hope that it is broadcast, but if it isn't then I suspect Blizzard will be behind that. They've been very careful and very stingy with what content they've released and the BattleReports all seem rigged to only show off only the particular features that they want to show off at that time.

Yeah, i agree, NaDa should win over Moon. Years of training in a game so fast as SC will make the difference. Even if SC2 is more micro intensive, they're different beasts.
Maybe Moon can win in TvZ, that matchup is broken like a mirror :p.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Yeah, i agree, NaDa should win over Moon. Years of training in a game so fast as SC will make the difference. Even if SC2 is more micro intensive, they're different beasts.
Maybe Moon can win in TvZ, that matchup is broken like a mirror :p.

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3 reasons why I believe moon will win.

1) Moon is by far more familiar with the new UI in SC2
2) Nada will try the same old sc strategies
3) Nada will actually do everything manually... while awesome, its not very efficient...

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Originally Posted by Santrega

3 reasons why I believe moon will win.

1) Moon is by far more familiar with the new UI in SC2

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Yes, but it isn't like you need to macro a lot in WC3.

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Originally Posted by Santrega

2) Nada will try the same old sc strategies

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And Moon won't?

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Originally Posted by Santrega

3) Nada will actually do everything manually... while awesome, its not very efficient...

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I don't think so, it's far easier to select all the Barracks/Factories, and that's not difficult to get used to.

Anyways, we will see what happends :)

tbh there's not much to be excited about. I'd rather see Kim vs NaDa since Kim is SCII top player atm. So it would be one of the best SC1 player vs the best SC2 player.

Nada against balance designer David Kim? As nice as that might be to watch, Nada has very little advantage considering he plays with tried-and-true build orders and strats, things that apply very little in SC2.

The Terrans, which he uses, have gone through massive changes. Infantry is more robust but lack the medic. Heavy metal has been changed completely, so no Vulture Spider Mine/Turret territorial holds. Hell even the opposition has changed, with Zerg having banelings and roaches, and Protoss having stalkers (dragoons with blink) and nullifiers. It'll be a lot harder to contain a good protoss player.

Not to mention that Nada has little experience with SC2 while David Kim lives and breathes it...

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Yes, but it isn't like you need to macro a lot in WC3.

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WC3 has different kinds of macro. Things like creeping and so forth.

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And Moon won't?

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While he does know SC1 strategies, he's not as practiced with them as Nada.

And really, it's not like Nada won't know this is SC2 or something. The issue is at the instinctive level. Nada, as a professional SC1 player, has certain instincts about timings, unit utility, and so forth. And while he's certainly not going to forget that it's a new game, his instinctive reactions will be along the lines of SC1. Moon's instincts, as a comparatively casual SC1 player, will be less finely honed, and thus more easily changed.

It isn't a massive advantage or anything. But it isn't something that can be ignored either.

Moon could easily be at a pro level in SC if he wanted. I think his instincts will surpass Nada for sure, since Nada's instincs is as a macro terran, while Moon is as an aggressive player. SC2 favors aggression, not sitting in your base making 3/3 terran ball.

Moon will win easily if they do play. Its a no brainer. Maybe if it was Boxer vs Moon, but nada is a player built on memorizing buildorders and not adapting to change.

Of course no one will convince you SC elitists though. Just wait til friday to see the results and get your excuses ready "omg moon had more time to play sc2" - so much for "instincts" eh?

I'm still convinced that the progression from SC1 to SC2 will be easier than the one from WC3 to SC2. The only advantage the WC3 players have is 3D recognition.

I don't care who wins. Just hope we get to see the game. :(

umm.. SC2 is a faster paced game than BW, units can go over cliffs, meaning chokes will be less important. BW is really based on choke and position, where it will totally change in SC2, and since War3 players are already used to attacking multiple fronts while creeping, they could be focused at 3-4 places at a time (split creeping and harassing) which is almost impossible for any BW pro to do (least do and maintain it well, only afew special people can like Jaedong). Of course, the micro will be easier in SC2, but still War3 players have the mindset to deal with more action, theres not gonna be 50% of the game just attack moving and sitting in your base pressing T on your factories like in BW, this will be all out harassing from 3-4 sides at a time, something SC players never deal with.

And I keep stressing, most War3 pros, are at a semi-pro and above level on SC also. Moon could win Courage in 1 month of practice, if he hasnt already won it before (I know he was amazing at SC but I dunno how extensive he went) and im sure many other top players can easily make the transition. There is nothing in SC2 that they will not already know how to do, other than learning the game itself, which BW players have to do also.

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SC2 favors aggression, not sitting in your base making 3/3 terran ball.

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While I would say that there's an argument to be made for that, we have hardly seen enough SC2 play to make such a statement one way or another. It's certainly entirely possible to sit in your base and turtle, if that's what you want to do. And, due to the higher mobility in SC2, it's very possible to both turtle and effectively harass, defying any containment.

Flash-style play may well be possible, but it would look rather different than just turtling until you get upgrades and then moving out onto the map. Also, since the +1 upgrades come from Tech Labs, Terrans have a real opportunity to make specialized upgrade-based timing attacks. Double-armory-style builds come more naturally.

Its amazing the things people will argue about

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Its amazing the things people will argue about

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Do you realize where you are? A game forum.
Do you realize what we discuss here? The game
Do you realize what IS being discussed here? Pro gamers that will play the game.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

Do you realize where you are? A game forum.
Do you realize what we discuss here? The game
Do you realize what IS being discussed here? Pro gamers that will play the game.

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Do you realize you sound like a asshole?
Do you realize that discussing is different than arguing?


And I never said anything that would lead to me not realizing whats going on in this thread?

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Do you realize you sound like a asshole?
Do you realize that discussing is different that arguing?


And I never said anything that would lead to me not realizing whats going on in this thread?

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Do you realize that arguments happen on a regular basis on discussion forums?

Tell me then, what's so amazing about people here arguing about who's going to win in the exhibition match?
Care to elaborate? Or were you just trying to act like a smartass?

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

Do you realize that arguments happen on a regular basis on discussion forums?

Tell me then, what's so amazing about people here arguing about who's going to win in the exhibition match?
Care to elaborate? Or were you just trying to act like a smartass?

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It seems your the one that's trying to be a smart-ass here, you could ignored my somewhat off topic post but you chose to jump into a argument but oh yeah they happen often so its perfectly ok. Im mostly referring to the typical SaharaDrac arguments that where going on a few pages back and a few other post..its not like something amazing out of the ordinary is going on in this thread. I just you know felt like posting, kinda like how you felt like jumping down my throat.

Anyway we are now the ones ruining this thread so this is my last post on the subject.

Btw why is Sahara banned? Or is he?

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Originally Posted by RamiZ

Btw why is Sahara banned? Or is he?

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He's banned for continuously derailing threads with his incessant, juvenile attempts to insult me.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

He's banned for continuously derailing threads with his incessant, juvenile attempts to insult me.

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Meh, nothing worse than the childish things you come up with on a daily basis on this forum. Maybe you could help things by not being such an ass all the time? Maybe..

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Meh, nothing worse than the childish things you come up with on a daily basis on this forum. Maybe you could help things by not being such an ass all the time? Maybe..

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SaharaDrac was far worse. And honestly, DSquid's behaviour here is much better than on Blizzforums.

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Originally Posted by Santrega

Meh, nothing worse than the childish things you come up with on a daily basis on this forum. Maybe you could help things by not being such an ass all the time? Maybe..

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My childish things aren't normally directed at other members of the forum, or if they are, they at least change targets on a frequent basis. I try my best to bring humor to this site in the form of sarcasm and wit; if you're too sheltered and ignorant to recognize it most of the time, than I'm sorry for you. Clearly SD is in the same boat you are.

You shouldn't think so highly of your posts though ;). I'm neither sheltered nor ignorant, but I fail to see the humor and wit in your posts to be honest... :)

Anyways, gogo Nada! ;)

Does anyone know if there were some pre-game interviews after the announcement was made? What each of them was expecting, and especially if Nada confirmed what race he would be playing or if everyone is just... assuming... he'll play terran?

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Originally Posted by Santrega

Meh, nothing worse than the childish things you come up with on a daily basis on this forum. Maybe you could help things by not being such an ass all the time? Maybe..

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Maybe you could stop being a fucking troll.

Same goes for SaharaDrac. All you guys do is piss and moan over everything DSquid says. Get over it.

Anyone who thinks that SC2 is more like WC than SC is fucking retarded. Moon might win because he is more familiar with SC2, but if both were going in blind or with the same experience, Nada would win.

Im not saying SC2 is more like wc than sc, im saying Moon is the more talented player, and thus will win.

How can you think if both were blind in, and neither had experience, that NADA would win? Hes a player that plays solely based off perfect buildorders and timings (thats what macro players do) while Moon can be put in any situation, any race, and use his RTS smarts and overall talent to win. Thats why Moon has won all the SC2 matchs so far, not because hes played more than the people hes played so far, just because he is a natural talented strategic mind, much like Boxer or Jaedong is.

I agree with that. Nada isn't as inventive as Boxer was, and his skill is built upon executing strategies that work. SC2 has no strategies.

So does anyone know why these games are (probably) not going to be broadcast? Are we even allowed to know?

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Originally Posted by Skyze

Im not saying SC2 is more like wc than sc, im saying Moon is the more talented player, and thus will win.

How can you think if both were blind in, and neither had experience, that NADA would win? Hes a player that plays solely based off perfect buildorders and timings (thats what macro players do) while Moon can be put in any situation, any race, and use his RTS smarts and overall talent to win. Thats why Moon has won all the SC2 matchs so far, not because hes played more than the people hes played so far, just because he is a natural talented strategic mind, much like Boxer or Jaedong is.

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He's won all his matches vs whom? And any sources for that? Or just blind fanboyism?

And Moon more talented? Gimme a break! T_____T

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Originally Posted by MaybeNextTime

He's won all his matches vs whom? And any sources for that? Or just blind fanboyism?

And Moon more talented? Gimme a break! T_____T

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Those videos of SC2 from pros like Savior, JaeDong etc, was played vs Moon. I know he played vs Savior and he won, also he won another match vs dunno who, but i think it was some progamer. They clearly said vs who he was playing in those videos.