Who do you want to see become the Legacy of the Void protagonist?

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Originally Posted by flabortast

@Norf

IF you were paying attention, you would know most of the swarm was attacking the Dominion but still the remaining forces were still too hard to handle without the artifact. Din't you see the report where it stated the Zerg onslaught withdrew when you started to invade Char? I doubt they could've staged an assault at all if Kerrigan's forces were not spread out throughout the sector.

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Yes, still doesn't makes any sense. Why would she send almost everything she had to attack the Dominion for no reason, and wait in Char almost completely exposed?
It's a mystery how the Zerg flyers taken down the fleet, but they manage to land on their nest, and kill them all.

I wonder what will happend with those Zerg that are in transit.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Yes, still doesn't makes any sense. Why would she send almost everything she had to attack the Dominion for no reason

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She did have a reason: find the artifacts. Her attack on Tyrador VIII made that clear.

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and wait in Char almost completely exposed?

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That I don't know. It seems she wanted to hold onto the worlds she had conquered, and even when she withdrew her forces back to Char she left those world garrisoned. (Based on two news reports: the one after Supernova, and the very last one.)

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It's a mystery how the Zerg flyers taken down the fleet, but they manage to land on their nest, and kill them all.

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Presumably because the Dominion/Raiders were attacking from below, since they had already established a beachhead on the surface.

If you look closely you can see something like three rather large armadas of battlecruisers in the sky during the final cinematic. I thought I saw at least 40 battlecruisers.

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Originally Posted by Kimera757

She did have a reason: find the artifacts. Her attack on Tyrador VIII made that clear.

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I thinked she stopped then. She didn't had the information to find them. Was she trying to find them by brute force search?

Anyways. I don't know why Kerrigan wanted the artifacts, but if she knew something about them, she could have fleed at any time. She was attacking Raynor's base herself, with the artifact very close. She could had gone to the other side of the planet, or pretty much anywhere else, considering that the Zerg can open wormholes.

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Originally Posted by Kimera757

Presumably because the Dominion/Raiders were attacking from below, since they had already established a beachhead on the surface.

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I don't see how that makes a difference, considering it's their nest. It should be swarming with flyers. They stablished a beachhead on Char, not on the floating platform. If they took down the general's BC, they took down a lot of ships.

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If you look closely you can see something like three rather large armadas of battlecruisers in the sky during the final cinematic. I thought I saw at least 40 battlecruisers.

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Seriously? That's weird. I wonder why the flyers stopped attacking and returned to their nest to die by reactor-overloading if there were so many enemies left.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

I thinked she stopped then. She didn't had the information to find them. Was she trying to find them by brute force search?

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Until The Moebius Factor, it seems she was just brute-force searching. She didn't just hit Mar Sara, she hit a bunch of worlds where the artifacts weren't.

She must have read someone's mind and went to Tyrador VIII, hoping for a more efficient way of collecting artifacts. However, Raynor stopped her there. After that, she basically gave up, but "camped" on the occupied Dominion worlds.

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Anyways. I don't know why Kerrigan wanted the artifacts

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Probably to protect herself. If she had them, then Raynor and the Dominion (and Narud) didn't.

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but if she knew something about them, she could have fleed at any time. She was attacking Raynor's base herself, with the artifact very close. She could had gone to the other side of the planet, or pretty much anywhere else, considering that the Zerg can open wormholes.

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She could have run, which suggests she wanted the artifact. Also, part of her wanted to be "cured" or whatever, given how she said "don't give up" to Raynor.

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I don't see how that makes a difference, considering it's their nest. It should be swarming with flyers. They stablished a beachhead on Char, not on the floating platform. If they took down the general's BC, they took down a lot of ships.

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They did take down a lot of ships, which would explain why the Dominion never tried this before (they didn't have an artifact), and even then it was incredibly risky.

But the Raiders/Dominion force managed to establish that beachhead. Furthermore, I rather doubt the underside of the platform was nearly as well protected, meaning Raiders/Dominion could slip underneath it and then land troops on the side (rather than just drop troops on the top). Incidentally, it would have been very difficult (especially in gameplay terms!) to do an air-only invasion. Given the Raiders started with a base, I think even in lore terms we can declare that Raynor somehow got ground troops on there, establishing a second beachhead, if you would, on the platform.

By the way, I know in an interview Blizzard said Shatter the Sky was canon, but that seems to contradict A vs B canon. I'm pretty sure Belly of the Beast is "A", and before you make your choice in the mission briefing, the mission is called Belly of the Beast. I think Blizzard goofed during the interview there, that Belly of the Beast should have been canon, and IMO it makes more sense. (If you do Shatter the Sky, Findlay even complains that now that they're got to the ground, they have to go back up.)

The other A vs B missions always have the A name before you make the choice. (Eg Safe Haven vs Haven's Fall, Breakout vs Ghost of a Chance.)

And I think Belly of the Beast makes more sense. Using lava gave the Raiders a huge tactical advantage. What advantage did they have in Shatter the Sky? Nothing more than decent human player vs weak (but sprawling) computer players.

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Seriously? That's weird. I wonder why the flyers stopped attacking and returned to their nest to die by reactor-overloading if there were so many enemies left.

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Gameplay > storyline, I gather.

Gameplay is NOT > storyline in SP, at least not if the story doesn't make sense.

They used branching missions only to have more troubles in the story, and failed to give the players meaningfull choices, except in Belly of the Beast/Shatter the sky, that actually modify something after the choice is made.

It doesn't really matters if they attack the platform from the "underside" or from the top. It's swarming with flyers, what difference does that make? They fly around, and pwn everyone there. I think that it should be fairly obvious that something's wrong after they blow the first reactor. Probably they "fix" that by saying that the other choice was canon, as you say.

Maybe most of the flyers died while killing a lot of BCs, or they were busy with the huge amount of BCs seen at the ending cinematic. Except for that ending view, the game gives the impression that the fleet was pwned by the Zerg flyers when they approach Char, which is confusing, as then the ground forces would be in really deep shit.

Siding with Hanson risks angering the Protoss for the possibility of saving some colonists which is the morally "Jim" thing to do. Also has the benefit of good publicity if the colonists make it, declare independence and hail Raynors raiders as the heroes who are protecting them against the Zerg. Killing the colonists is the safe decision and the one which goes against the "jim" morality.

As for Tosh, we all saw how little the spectres care for collatoral casualties in the war against Mengsk, so breaking the prison open is morally dubious no matter how you cut it. It is also bad publicity, and whatever Horner says you can't just take his word for it that all of New Folsom prison were wrongfully accused, shit rainbows and wouldn't harm a fly if they could avoid it. That place looked like it might have held millions of prisoners.

So what's your problem? That they didn't have enough impact on the gameplay?

Zeratul simply makes the most sense to be the protagonist given his history for Void. I'd personally like to see Artanis, he just felt like more of a leader, and authority figure. That's my 2 cents though.

Tassadar, lololol jk. I want selendis, she's the commander. Zeratuel is overused

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Originally Posted by KillaKhan

Tassadar, lololol jk. I want selendis, she's the commander. Zeratuel is overused

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also she is hot... for a protoss...she doesn't have a mouth though...

Artanis character changed a lot from the end of Broodwar to Wings of Liberty but there is little reference on WoL. I think LotV will need a character to fill in a closer role to Zeratul kind of like the Fenix to Tassadar on old SC, Tychus to Raynor on WoL, or Duran to Kerrigan on BW.

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Originally Posted by Louis

Siding with Hanson risks angering the Protoss for the possibility of saving some colonists which is the morally "Jim" thing to do. Also has the benefit of good publicity if the colonists make it, declare independence and hail Raynors raiders as the heroes who are protecting them against the Zerg. Killing the colonists is the safe decision and the one which goes against the "jim" morality.

As for Tosh, we all saw how little the spectres care for collatoral casualties in the war against Mengsk, so breaking the prison open is morally dubious no matter how you cut it. It is also bad publicity, and whatever Horner says you can't just take his word for it that all of New Folsom prison were wrongfully accused, shit rainbows and wouldn't harm a fly if they could avoid it. That place looked like it might have held millions of prisoners.

So what's your problem? That they didn't have enough impact on the gameplay?

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I think i explained it pretty well. It changes nothing. I will say it again: nothing at all on the remaider of the game.
The only difference, is the mission-end cinematic, and that you get a different unit. That's it.
You don't play a mission later, and someone says "Eh! You killed the guys at Haven, you motherf*cker!!!", and your units get attacked. That's a difference in gameplay.
Or for example, in one mission, Spectres kill people they shouldn't.
All that you mentioned is how you feel about the mission, but nothing of that makes any difference in any other mission, so doesn't changes gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Gameplay is NOT > storyline in SP, at least not if the story doesn't make sense.

They used branching missions only to have more troubles in the story, and failed to give the players meaningfull choices, except in Belly of the Beast/Shatter the sky, that actually modify something after the choice is made.

It doesn't really matters if they attack the platform from the "underside" or from the top. It's swarming with flyers, what difference does that make? They fly around, and pwn everyone there. I think that it should be fairly obvious that something's wrong after they blow the first reactor. Probably they "fix" that by saying that the other choice was canon, as you say.

Maybe most of the flyers died while killing a lot of BCs, or they were busy with the huge amount of BCs seen at the ending cinematic. Except for that ending view, the game gives the impression that the fleet was pwned by the Zerg flyers when they approach Char, which is confusing, as then the ground forces would be in really deep shit.

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Here's how I understood it.

After the whole talk with Mengsk, the Dominion forces in orbit started to be attacked, throwing commanders into panic. The original plan was to get into atmosphere ASAP, with disastrous results and the majority of ground forces being survivors of crashes. None of the Battlecruisers made it planetside without crashing into the ground as scrap metal.

Ground forces rally and engage in heavy fighting, while the remaining Battlecruisers are struggling in orbit with Zerg flyers. They can't approach the planet because they are preoccupied with fighting. The majority of Zerg flyers are above the planet's atmosphere, fighting the Battlecruisers, and the remainder are either nesting or fighting ground forces.

Raynor, after deciding to blow up the nest, finds usable transports and receives a small amount of help from the Battlecruisers in orbit to get the forces at the beginning of the mission. They get by unnoticed because the nest has Zerg flyers nesting, not flying around. They would only fly out of the nest when Raynor began attacking, after noticing something was wrong. This also explains the Leviathan appearing after you destroy most of the nest.

As for the end of the ending cinematic, there's no indication of how much time passed between Raynor's shooting of Tychus and his walk into the sunset. It could have been hours until Kerrigan gained consciousness, enough time to take care of the supposedly uncoordinated Zerg.

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Originally Posted by spychi

also she is hot... for a protoss...she doesn't have a mouth though...

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Who needs a mouth when you have psionics? That shit can do everything.

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Originally Posted by KDraconis

Who needs a mouth when you have psionics? That shit can do everything.

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are you a man? :P....... ^^

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Originally Posted by KDraconis

Here's how I understood it.

After the whole talk with Mengsk, the Dominion forces in orbit started to be
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time to take care of the supposedly uncoordinated Zerg.

Who needs a mouth when you have psionics? That shit can do everything.

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That could work, if correctly shown. It's still quite stupid that their general went down so fast, however. They're supposed to keep a formation to avoid stuff like that. It's the general, if he goes down, who's going to give the orders?

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

That could work, if correctly shown. It's still quite stupid that their general went down so fast, however. They're supposed to keep a formation to avoid stuff like that. It's the general, if he goes down, who's going to give the orders?

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Kerrigan could have known Warfield was on the Helios, and sent a suicide-run towards it, assuming it was in formation. If you've got thousands of scourge, some must make it through.

If they do co-op gameplay like I'm wishing for, wouldn't more than one protagonist be possible?

Regardless, I thought Zeratul was practically confirmed as the main dude way back when the trilogy was announced. Otherwise, I'd like to be Selendis. After all, she is the executor.

I think she and Artanis won't see eye to eye, and both will be "faction leaders".

Zeratul will try to ally with the two of them, along with Mohandar, Urun, and other tribal leaders.

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Originally Posted by Kimera757

I think she and Artanis won't see eye to eye, and both will be "faction leaders".

Zeratul will try to ally with the two of them, along with Mohandar, Urun, and other tribal leaders.

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Selendis works FOR Artanis. He's basically her boss. They're part of the same faction. Keep up with the details man.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

Selendis works FOR Artanis. He's basically her boss. They're part of the same faction. Keep up with the details man.

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isn't he her teacher squiddy? :D but yes, i do agree with you :cool:

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Originally Posted by Zeraszana

isn't he her teacher squiddy? :D but yes, i do agree with you :cool:

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All bosses are teachers.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

All bosses are teachers.

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nah...some are just pricks :P

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

Selendis works FOR Artanis. He's basically her boss. They're part of the same faction. Keep up with the details man.

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I knew that. However, did you notice in Twilight how hot Selendis was for going to Aiur? Artanis... not so much.

Selendis' Aiur hook is repeated elsewhere. I'm sure it's foreshadowing.

Furthermore, we've already been told that protoss society will splinter in the future.

You're always an Executor in Protoss' campaigns. The answer is obvious.

I voted Artanis. He is my favorite Protoss.

I think Mohandar and Urun are both too generic (they're only a couple, out of many, tribal representatives in the Protoss' Hierarchy) to be the player character in LotV. With Zeratul, I don't see him to have much interest in politics (which is needed if diplomacy is to feature prominently). And with Tassadar, should he be revived, he would too much of Messiah figure. That'd be like playing Jseus Christ in a campaign; he'd be depicted as perfect, infallible and (hence) boring.

That just leaves Artanis and Selendis. Personally, I like the idea of playing a character who has to answer to a higher authority. It would be a nice change of pace after playing Raynor and Kerrigan (who too will likely mainly answer to herself). This way, Selendis may be faced with having to do things that she doesn't personally agree with; which opens plenty of opportunities for conversation between characters and character exploration (for Selendis, Artanis and others). As far as player choice, it could be presented in how much she adheres to Artanis' orders.

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

I think Mohandar and Urun are both too generic (they're only a couple, out of many, tribal representatives in the Protoss' Hierarchy) to be the player character in LotV. With Zeratul, I don't see him to have much interest in politics (which is needed if diplomacy is to feature prominently). And with Tassadar, should he be revived, he would too much of Messiah figure. That'd be like playing Jseus Christ in a campaign; he'd be depicted as perfect, infallible and (hence) boring.

That just leaves Artanis and Selendis. Personally, I like the idea of playing a character who has to answer to a higher authority. It would be a nice change of pace after playing Raynor and Kerrigan (who too will likely mainly answer to herself). This way, Selendis may be faced with having to do things that she doesn't personally agree with; which opens plenty of opportunities for conversation between characters and character exploration (for Selendis, Artanis and others). As far as player choice, it could be presented in how much she adheres to Artanis' orders.

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That's a pretty good idea, actually. I think I would be quite fine with either Selendis or Artanis being the player character in LotV. Too bad Blizzard's already announced multiple times that Zeratul will be the PC.

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

I think Mohandar and Urun are both too generic (they're only a couple, out of many, tribal representatives in the Protoss' Hierarchy) to be the player character in LotV. With Zeratul, I don't see him to have much interest in politics (which is needed if diplomacy is to feature prominently). And with Tassadar, should he be revived, he would too much of Messiah figure. That'd be like playing Jseus Christ in a campaign; he'd be depicted as perfect, infallible and (hence) boring.

That just leaves Artanis and Selendis. Personally, I like the idea of playing a character who has to answer to a higher authority. It would be a nice change of pace after playing Raynor and Kerrigan (who too will likely mainly answer to herself). This way, Selendis may be faced with having to do things that she doesn't personally agree with; which opens plenty of opportunities for conversation between characters and character exploration (for Selendis, Artanis and others). As far as player choice, it could be presented in how much she adheres to Artanis' orders.

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These are good points. I'm kind of doubting that Zeratul will be much a leader figure in Legacy either. I know what the wiki says but consider the way that he sort of lets every other named Protoss take command over him. He just gives his little three liner speech to the zealots, then that mohander guy warps in and suddenly he's the one giving out all of the tactical advice. I think that Zeratuls first mission turned out in a similar way once he met the army of Zealots lead by Karas.

It almost looks like the little information we have on Legacy has been changed.

Undecided between Artanis and Zeratul: Artanis holds the highest rank in Protoss hierarchy, but Zeratul is much older, a skilled warrior, wiser and know more about threat of the hybrids/Dark voice than everybody else

Hence, he shouldn't. Zeratul knows a fair amount about the Hybrids. Meanwhile, the player doesn't. It would be difficult to introduce the stuff to the player without making Zeratul sound amnesiac or turning it into an example of 'As You Know'. Case in point: Zeratul's missions in WoL. That's why I think he'd work better as an advisor or side character who informs the main character (and hence, the player).

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Jonny

If they do co-op gameplay like I'm wishing for, wouldn't more than one protagonist be possible?

Regardless, I thought Zeratul was practically confirmed as the main dude way back when the trilogy was announced. Otherwise, I'd like to be Selendis. After all, she is the executor.

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Yeah, they basically said something like 'It's most likely Zeratul, but we're toying with the idea of Artanis as well.'

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Originally Posted by Kimera757

I think she and Artanis won't see eye to eye, and both will be "faction leaders".

Zeratul will try to ally with the two of them, along with Mohandar, Urun, and other tribal leaders.

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Not to mention the Tal'darim, and any other renegade protoss.

Zeratul is badass, but I have always seen him as a Ben Kenobi / Qui Gonn Jinn in terms of the story. I think there's a lot more potential for the young Artanis.

But they already said Zeratul is played the human and you go around rounding up tribes...
Sounds like Age of Empires II Genghis Khan campaign.

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Originally Posted by hyde

Zeratul is badass, but I have always seen him as a Ben Kenobi / Qui Gonn Jinn in terms of the story. I think there's a lot more potential for the young Artanis.

But they already said Zeratul is played the human and you go around rounding up tribes...
Sounds like Age of Empires II Genghis Khan campaign.

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That was a GREAT campaign (and game) :D

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Originally Posted by Gradius

But at the same time I'm not a fan or Artanis.

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I'd be surprised if you were Artanis. :p

Who else would be except Zeratul? :D His journey of seeking truth hasn't finished yet... Long story long story haha

Seems a little premature to have this discussion. We don't even know what might transpire in HotS. For all we know some of these people may get killed off.

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Originally Posted by Blazur

Seems a little premature to have this discussion. We don't even know what might transpire in HotS. For all we know some of these people may get killed off.

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Most of them actually already had been all killed once.... well in "dreams" :D

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Hence, he shouldn't. Zeratul knows a fair amount about the Hybrids. Meanwhile, the player doesn't. It would be difficult to introduce the stuff to the player without making Zeratul sound amnesiac or turning it into an example of 'As You Know'. Case in point: Zeratul's missions in WoL. That's why I think he'd work better as an advisor or side character who informs the main character (and hence, the player).

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Sadly, I think you just crushed your own hopes. Blizz had no qualms with making Zeratul sound stupid in WOL, why would they in LOTV? Realistically speaking, it would only take 4-5 missions for the players to catch up to what Zeratul knows (if that, keep in mind that HOTS is sure to catch them up some).

Having said that, I love the Selendis suggestion. Getting to play a character who does whatever the hell he wants to do was bad enough for one whole campaign, and we're sure to get more of it in HOTS, but LOTV, too? Ugh.

Remember when you were making TFT, Blizzard? Remember how Kael had to answer to Garithos and the conflict was just oozing naturally out of the premise? Remember how fun that was?

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Originally Posted by pure.Wasted

Sadly, I think you just crushed your own hopes. Blizz had no qualms with making Zeratul sound stupid in WOL, why would they in LOTV? Realistically speaking, it would only take 4-5 missions for the players to catch up to what Zeratul knows (if that, keep in mind that HOTS is sure to catch them up some).

Having said that, I love the Selendis suggestion. Getting to play a character who does whatever the hell he wants to do was bad enough for one whole campaign, and we're sure to get more of it in HOTS, but LOTV, too? Ugh.

Remember when you were making TFT, Blizzard? Remember how Kael had to answer to Garithos and the conflict was just oozing naturally out of the premise? Remember how fun that was?

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Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by pure.Wasted

Sadly, I think you just crushed your own hopes. Blizz had no qualms with making Zeratul sound stupid in WOL, why would they in LOTV? Realistically speaking, it would only take 4-5 missions for the players to catch up to what Zeratul knows (if that, keep in mind that HOTS is sure to catch them up some).

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I was simply voicing my opinion on the issue; that I do not think that Zeratul is the best choice for the lead protagonist/player character. I never once thought that my words would have any effect on LotV's development.