Why was Kerrigan on Shakuras? And about Aldaris...

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Originally Posted by BusinessMonkey

Best ending for WoL would've been to end it really, really dark by having Kerrigan to somehow lure Raynor to Char and after a very tough fight actually killing him. Now THAT would've been a controversy that in the end would fit the SC universe mood. Everything sucks.

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That would've been a great ending, I agree, but it would've just stopped the whole story in its tracks. Let me put it this way - Kerrigan was way too powerful. But they obviously have no intention of keeping her as the main villain, which makes sense - new game, new primary villain. Okay, it doesn't really make that much sense, there was still lots of room to develop the existing characters, but the point is they wanted a new villain. In order for this villain to be actually threatening, we can't have another uber powerful villain running around. Okay, maybe we can, but then the story would be completely GRIMDARK. Basically all the good guys would be able to do is to sit on their asses and wait to see which one of the big bads will win the grand prize of eradicating all other life in the galaxy.

It COULD potentially work out alright in a pseudo-lovecraftian way, but Starcraft's never been that kind of game, in all of Blizzard's stories there is always at least some light in the end of the tunnel. In what you're saying the light at the end of the tunnel isn't even a train, it's the lights from two marines' armors, who are impaled on the rapidly approaching tusks of a Brutalisk.

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Originally Posted by Articorse

Frankly, if they HAD gone for the 'Tassadar saves the day' reveal that he's alive, that would've made me punch my monitor.

Yes, Tassadar arriving for a chat with Zeratul sucked. But it wasn't the chat part, he actually gave Zeratul very important information. What sucked was the 'arrival' part. Tassadar had the most meaningful death of all the characters in SC that died. I know a lot of you love Stukov, I do too, but there is simply no comparison. Tassadar should be DEAD. He was a fantastic character, one who fulfilled his potential and saved the world once. I personally don't want him appearing in SC2 anymore, especially not to save the world yet again. Though he obviously will. Which will suck. What's with Blizzard and their fetish for reviving dead characters? Next thing you know Duke, Fenix and Aldaris will show up. If I was a believer I would pray to god for that not to happen.

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And @Zeraszana:

If they revert Kerrigan back to the Queen of Blades, that would be THE MOST IDIOTIC THING they could do. They will have basically WASTED 2/3 of the whole story. One campaign followed by another, which undoes the WHOLE first one. Whoopiee.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not that big a fan of Kerrigan being deinfested, though I didn't really see any other way to continue the story, but having the first 1/3 of the story being completely negated by the second 1/3 of the story is mind-numbingly stupid.

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I sort of said this in my last post, but there are a couple of unexplained factors which might make Tassadars return less cheap. It was meaningdful because it was a sacrifice, yes? You don't think that maybe he crashed into the overmind thinking that he was going to die and that he had nothing to do with the revival? It also assumes that Tassadar is now immortal, or that he can come back to life any time he pleases. Besides, exactly how meanigful Tassadars death in SCI was in the first place is very much debatable in the first place because the overmind already came back in BW, and Aldaris had already thrown him and his followers in line with Tassadar to who they deeply respected for saving their sorry asses. So I'm not sure if I'd put a lot of meaning to his sacrifice besides the simple nobility of the action.

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Originally Posted by Articorse

Frankly, if they HAD gone for the 'Tassadar saves the day' reveal that he's alive, that would've made me punch my monitor.

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Why? He doesn't needs to win the campaign by itself. He could just prevent some important character from dying to say, an Hybrid, then give guidance to the Protoss, and be a powerful hero in some missions.

For example: instead of just casually chatting with Tassadar, let's suppose Zeratul traveled with the Preservers to do it's spooky thing on the Overmind cortex, but then the Zerg decide to attack en-masse, like if someone was leading them. [cinematic start] The ones leading the Zerg are Hybrids, that are just about to kill everyone, when a Twilight Storm lands, causing terrible damage. The psionic energy used by the Preservers and Zeratul near Tassadar's "death" place caused it's awakening. [cinematic end]

@Louis

True, there are certainly things that could make it less cheap, but it will still be cheap. And Tassadar's sacrifice can't be negated that easily, the new Overmind was nowhere near the power and intelligence of the first one. And now that we know what the whole point of Kerrigan being infested was, the sacrifice is made even more powerful, since the Overmind HAD to die, there was no other way. And there was no other way to destroy it than by Tassadar's sacrifice.

And, yes, I'm quite sure Tassadar didn't know that he would survive crashing into the Overmind, that doesn't make the reveal that he's alive any less cheap. He was still a great character, who had a meaningful death. I can understand Fenix' revival, since his death was pretty pointless and it happened after we were barely introduced to the character. But with Tassadar it's different, he fulfilled his role in the story.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Why? He doesn't needs to win the campaign by itself. He could just prevent some important character from dying to say, an Hybrid, then give guidance to the Protoss, and be a powerful hero in some missions.

For example: instead of just casually chatting with Tassadar, let's suppose Zeratul traveled with the Preservers to do it's spooky thing on the Overmind cortex, but then the Zerg decide to attack en-masse, like if someone was leading them. [cinematic start] The ones leading the Zerg are Hybrids, that are just about to kill everyone, when a Twilight Storm lands, causing terrible damage. The psionic energy used by the Preservers and Zeratul near Tassadar's "death" place caused it's awakening. [cinematic end]

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I think that would be just as cheap, frankly. Because now we'd have an extremely powerful entity on the side of the good guys, who sat on his ass while millions of his brothers died at the hands of the Queen of Blades. Unless he was revived recently, which makes no sense, considering he clearly stated "I have never tasted death, nor shall I.". Where was he all this time? Hovering around the Overmind, waiting to give cryptic instructions to someone, who happened to be in the area?

I might be inclined to accept it if it wasn't REALLY Tassadar, but his essence, which I agree with most, is probably the same as Adun's. Meaning, if this 'new Tassadar' entity was simply the essence of what made Adun and Tassadar so powerful and gave them their Twilight powers. But to me Tassadar died when he crashed into the Overmind. This not only cheapens the whole scene, it cheapens the Overmind. Before Tassadar appeared, it seemed that to stop the Overmind, the protoss had to sacrifice the BEST they had. Tassadar was unique and probably the most powerful protoss at the time. His knowledge and skill in using both the Void and Khala could have tipped the balance in the protoss' favour during the Brood War. But it didn't, because apparently there was something more important than saving the lives of his people.

Rant over, sorry about that. This is all just personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but to me - this cheapens Tassadar, his sacrifice and the Overmind.

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Originally Posted by Articorse

I think that would be just as cheap, frankly. Because now we'd have an extremely powerful entity on the side of the good guys, who sat on his ass while millions of his brothers died at the hands of the Queen of Blades. Unless he was revived recently, which makes no sense, considering he clearly stated "I have never tasted death, nor shall I.". Where was he all this time? Hovering around the Overmind, waiting to give cryptic instructions to someone, who happened to be in the area?

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i like to put it this way - he died and his essence got fused with the dead overminds corpse forcing him to be unable to go away from it but also gave him the knowledge the overmind had in him, so maybe jeah - he cant do shit about the fact he has to hover around and wait for someone to get off of his ass and snoop around the dead thing to deliver what he knows :D

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Originally Posted by Zeraszana

i like to put it this way - he died and his essence got fused with the dead overminds corpse forcing him to be unable to go away from it but also gave him the knowledge the overmind had in him, so maybe jeah - he cant do shit about the fact he has to hover around and wait for someone to get off of his ass and snoop around the dead thing to deliver what he knows :D

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He's pretty damn calm and collected for someone, who's had to hover around the corpse of his arch enemy for the past 4+ years. :D

Not to mention his instructions were vague at best. You'd think that with so much time to collect his thoughts, he'd be capable of delivering them with a bit more clarity in what he means.

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Originally Posted by Articorse

He's pretty damn calm and collected for someone, who's had to hover around the corpse of his arch enemy for the past 4+ years. :D

Not to mention his instructions were vague at best. You'd think that with so much time to collect his thoughts, he'd be capable of delivering them with a bit more clarity in what he means.

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maybe he couldn't, maybe there is only the essence left, not the person which would explain his calmness although i would say that since he was a protoss HT he would know how to collect himself or he took his time and managed to get it all to make sense to him and maybe he needed to get zeratul to go fishing for answers in order to get everything, after all, it may be that there is more than just this what he has told him, perhaps he couldn't say anything more/clear than he did because of something dunno..maybe the same thing that corrupted the overmind put on some restrains :)

(sorry for the enormous amount of ''maybes'' in there :D )

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Originally Posted by Zeraszana

maybe he couldn't, maybe there is only the essence left, not the person which would explain his calmness although i would say that since he was a protoss HT he would know how to collect himself or he took his time and managed to get it all to make sense to him and maybe he needed to get zeratul to go fishing for answers in order to get everything, after all, it may be that there is more than just this what he has told him, perhaps he couldn't say anything more/clear than he did because of something dunno..maybe the same thing that corrupted the overmind put on some restrains :)

(sorry for the enormous amount of ''maybes'' in there :D )

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It's alright, in fact, I'll include another 'maybe'. Maybe Blizzard just wanted a 'really cool scene', but failed to realize that with the help of Fridge Logic it's actually stupid and insulting to the established lore.

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Originally Posted by Articorse

I think that would be just as cheap, frankly. Because now we'd have an extremely powerful entity on the side of the good guys, who sat on his ass while millions of his brothers died at the hands of the Queen of Blades. Unless he was revived recently, which makes no sense, considering he clearly stated "I have never tasted death, nor shall I.". Where was he all this time? Hovering around the Overmind, waiting to give cryptic instructions to someone, who happened to be in the area?

I might be inclined to accept it if it wasn't REALLY Tassadar, but his essence, which I agree with most, is probably the same as Adun's. Meaning, if this 'new Tassadar' entity was simply the essence of what made Adun and Tassadar so powerful and gave them their Twilight powers. But to me Tassadar died when he crashed into the Overmind. This not only cheapens the whole scene, it cheapens the Overmind. Before Tassadar appeared, it seemed that to stop the Overmind, the protoss had to sacrifice the BEST they had. Tassadar was unique and probably the most powerful protoss at the time. His knowledge and skill in using both the Void and Khala could have tipped the balance in the protoss' favour during the Brood War. But it didn't, because apparently there was something more important than saving the lives of his people.

Rant over, sorry about that. This is all just personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but to me - this cheapens Tassadar, his sacrifice and the Overmind.

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Note than in my version, it was Zeratul and the Preservers who "awake" Tassadar, which means that he wasn't available before, which is better that what you have at WoL, because there's effectively no answer to the obvious question of WTF is Tassadar doing there, and why hasn't he contacted any other Protoss.

Also, the Preservers could want to go to that place to investigate why they don't have access to Tassadar's memories (according to WoL, he didn't died, so it's knowledge wouldn't be accesible to them).

It isn't that difficult to say that he was trapped in that place of cosmic energies that the Overmind chosen to land. After all, it's quite possible that he's made of pure energy now. His body cannot possibly survive the attack.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Note than in my version, it was Zeratul and the Preservers who "awake" Tassadar, which means that he wasn't available before, which is better that what you have at WoL, because there's effectively no answer to the obvious question of WTF is Tassadar doing there, and why hasn't he contacted any other Protoss.

Also, the Preservers could want to go to that place to investigate why they don't have access to Tassadar's memories (according to WoL, he didn't died, so it's knowledge wouldn't be accesible to them).

It isn't that difficult to say that he was trapped in that place of cosmic energies that the Overmind chosen to land. After all, it's quite possible that he's made of pure energy now. His body cannot possibly survive the attack.

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That would make the scene better, I admit. A lot better than what went on in WoL. But to me the best solution still would've been to just leave Tassadar alone.

Maybe they could've added something with regard to Artanis, who got quite close to Tassadar before he died. Maybe Tassadar gave him some crucial information about how to balance the Khala and Void energies, or maybe Artanis was so inspired by what Tassadar had accomplished, that he set out to follow in his footsteps. If we really need a Twilight protoss in the story, I think it would be better to give that role to Artanis than to revive Tassadar.

Or if Tassadar HAS to make SOME kind of appearance, then make him appear to Artanis in some disembodied, pure energy form, to try to teach him what he knows.

Hell, at this point just about anything would've been better than the Jedi ghost of Tassadar, who likes to hang around the corpse of his nemesis and give out cryptic instructions to his friends.