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Was there a speech/quote when senator Angus Mengsk declared war on the corrupted Terran Confederacy and the formation of the Rebellion of Korhal in Uprising or I, Mengsk? And any other memorable quotes from Angus in Uprising, cause I don't have the novel.:(
If so post them here please.
There's a speech that Arcturus gives to his men in Uprising - I can post that. Angus didn't give one huge speech in I, Mengsk - he built the rebellion up gradually.
Sure. So there's nothing at all regarding to Argus rebellion speech in Uprising. What a shame, would love to here a similar one to the Inauguration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gradius
Here it is:
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You men are gathered here today because you share
common beliefs and a common desire. Among the
beliefs you share is the tenet that no man or body of gov-
ernment should have authority to treat you unjustly;
the desire you share is the pursuit of independence.
Make no mistake men—these are the ideals that wars
are made of. The least of the troubles that lie ahead for
all of you is a life of forced seclusion, of being branded as
seditionist by the very government that would impose
her unfair laws upon you. The worst of what you may
face—of what we all face—is death. Pollock and I and
the rest of our fighters are, as you know, already consid-
ered turncoats by the Confederacy. . . .
Terran speeches > Protoss speeches.
Sorry but.... Zeratul's speach in SC.... is amazing...Quote:
Terran speeches > Protoss speeches.
You speak of knowledge, Judicator? You speak of experience? I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities... Unto my experience, Aldaris, all that you've built here on Aiur is but a fleeting dream. A dream from which your precious Conclave shall awaken, finding themselves drowned in a greater nightmare.
Gee, who likes someone so poetic? (JK I agree Zeratul's speech is great)
I like Mengsk's speech at the Inauguration more though, it was great man. A+ better than Obama's.
I think this is a good time to remind you that Mensk unleashed the Zerg on Tarsonis, the core Terran world, damning hudreths of millions to a horrible death :eek:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Hey, that may be so, but that doesn't change that he's still a great leader.
Who's good at manipulating people (aka his charms, how he talks and stuff).
i like more the second speech of mengesk in uprising:
Lol... now that i read it again than final part remember me the speech in Underworld 3, "we can be slaves or we can be lycans, AREEE YOUUU WITH MEEEE????" XDQuote:
You all know what has just transpired.
for those of you who want the specifics -and i think you all deserve to know- twenty battlecruisers just launched about a thousand Apocalupse-class missiles from Korhal IV's orbit.
The Missiles impacted on the planet's surface and 35 million people will never again see the light of day.
You need no stirring speeches; you need no coercion or coaxing. You all know the difference between right and wrong.
Now the time has come to fight for the values you hold dear and to challenge those who would strip you of your individual freedoms. Are you with me?"
I know blizzard said that Arcturus's story has already been told but I hope they expand on his character a little more in wings of liberty. He was a fascinating character.
I never read the dark Templar saga so i'm not sure what Valerian is like? Hopefully blizz will make him just as interesting as his father
Luckily his VA is back, so I hope that they do that too. And really, IMO, his story hasn't "already been told". What about the "Kerrigan, I'll be out there, waiting for you to slip up. And when you do..."? We've got unfinished business!Quote:
Originally Posted by Draco97
That's good to hear Arcturus's VA is back. For some reason that gives me hope that his story will continue and not be pushed aside to make room for Valerian
I'm betting that Arcturus will be killed at the hands of kerrigan and Valerian is gunna go OMGWTFBBQ on her ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draco97
That's a good point, at least the Arcturus/Kerrigan storyline will come to a truly bloody end if that ends up being the case, lol
It would be a fitting end to the one who created the monster in the first place.
Arcturus Mengsk, the tormented infested terran emperor and consort number 3 of the Queen of Blades? :P
I would love to see Valerian's reaction if that happened.
I'm leaning towards a second day of ash, fire and brimstone upon Korhal, with Zerg cherries on top
That would be the day Kerrigan could die happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordArreat15
I hate Kerrigan.
The overmind was totally more badass than her.
I am inclined to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Eh. The Overmind was pretty bland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
He doesn't even talk to anybody but the cerebrate. And when one of his kids dies, he goes into shock and refuses to speak to anybody for a few hours.
Kerrigan screws you over while also making sure everything goes her way. Bad-ass? Maybe not, but certainly much more interesting.
I'm really interested in seeing where Arcturus goes, my guess is the end result of Wings of Liberty has him in prison, but that's just a gut feeling.
it was the only way to beat the confederacy. the sons of korhal couldnt take it any other way. i dont see it much different than when the confederacy nuked the jungle world of korhal into a smoldering desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
The confederacy weren't exactly the 'good guys'...Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior6
It's because the overmind was so alien. He didn't have much in the way of emotions. He just had a goal, he was never shown to be worried about anything. Things happened, he made things happen, or things happened to him.
Kerrigan had goals but she's full of human personality with her taunting and sneering.
The overmind was only ever please or displeased, and in fact, ehs a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.
there are no good guys or bad guys. just idealogies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
...whatever you say. Personally I think betraying a friend, using aliens as a weapon against innocent humans all for being no better than the corrupt government he replaced makes Mengsk a pretty godawful human being. Whether he's a villain or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior6
you can call him godawful all you want. you dont have to be the cold calculating bastard that has to lead a people. you dont have to make those kind of decisions. one thing is for sure, dominion>confederacy. the confederacy was a disorganized band of people who knew nothing about leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
and which "friend" are you talking about? the few friends that he had were killed by the confederacy. kerrigan was a nobody to him. just a means to an end.
What proof do you have for this? The confederacy didn't do things that differently than he did. Except their base of operations was on a different planet, there was a council of leaders and they had a bunch of rich families.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior6
Also, just because he has to make tough choices doesn't make him an ethical responsible person.
He treated her like a friend at first, she certainly thought of him that way. If he didn't, then he's a liar too. Another shining quality to add to the list.Quote:
and which "friend" are you talking about? the few friends that he had were killed by the confederacy. kerrigan was a nobody to him. just a means to an end.
You can like him all you want... heck, I think he's a pretty awesome character, but I don't think he has any accountability for anything he's done.
the confederacy was led by idiots. the families were pompous nobodies with a retarded class structure. decision making was it its worst at the council. and they could barely keep what they had under control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
its the fact that he had to overlook ethics for the greater good which makes him deserve some slack. can someone like that REALLY be judged by the standards of an average joe? he lives in a world where betrayal, mistrust and death is the norm of politics. he may be ruthless, but he is somewhat fair.Quote:
Also, just because he has to make tough choices doesn't make him an ethical responsible person.
she massacred his family. and turned his world upside down. an eye for an eye.Quote:
He treated her like a friend at first, she certainly thought of him that way. If he didn't, then he's a liar too. Another shining quality to add to the list.
whos to sayQuote:
You can like him all you want... heck, I think he's a pretty awesome character, but I don't think he has any accountability for anything he's done.
Except she didn't. She was under the confederacies' mind control. And when she found out what she'd done under their influence, she did everything she could to make it up to him. And he still betrayed her (and I believe he did).Quote:
she massacred his family. and turned his world upside down. an eye for an eye.
That act alone makes Mengsk into an emotionally manipulative callous man in my opinion.
oh spare me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
Okay, Mengsk is a pragmatic, effective leader. Let's operate under that premise.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior6
Then what's he doing making emotionally-based senseless decisions that only involve personal vengeance?
Er... and being a pragmatic effective leader doesn't make him less callous or emotionally manipulative. So I don't know what you're objecting to in this case.
But being a byproduct of a bad environment is not an excuse for bad behaviour. Neither does 'being the lesser of two evils'.
nobody said he was perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
his behavior is how the place is run. its a kill or be killed world. he has to run an empire against aliens. his job isnt to plant roses in a garden while having a beer with raynor.
No, but his job is to make the K-Sector a better place for humans. And I don't feel he's accomplished that.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior6
There's a huge difference between 'drinking beer and planting flowers' and 'callously betraying your allies and making highly questionable ethical decisions.'
He needs to take responsibility for his actions.
given the circumstances, i'd say he has done a great job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldrius
when it comes to survival as a species
results>ethics
but for what i understand right now (in sc2) the dominion is pretty much in the same point that the confederacy in the beginning of sc1. He/they keep the control by fear (according to the banshee description) and this is creating alot of displeasure in the dominion population, what in time maybe will become in a general uprise.
also i dont think he is doing everything just in name of a greater good or the survival of humanity, i think he always has looking for his own benefit.
but, anyway, almost all the humans in the starcraft universe are selfish that dont give a shit about the others, so, they have the leader they deserve.
pd: sorry for my poor english u.u
i could see that happening. but given enough time, valerian can become an excellent successor to arcturus. he would probably introduce plenty of reforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpikeVorador
his benefit includes the strength and security of his empire. which is to the benefit of the terransQuote:
also i dont think he is doing everything just in name of a greater good or the survival of humanity, i think he always has looking for his own benefit.
this i can't disagree with.Quote:
but, anyway, almost all the humans in the starcraft universe are selfish that dont give a shit about the others, so, they have the leader they deserve.
What good leadership? The only thing he has done is to put himself as an emperor, but the Dominion still suck as or worse than the Confederacy. They're doing still worse inhuman experimentation, and completely abandoned the border worlds.
If he were a good leader, he would seek alliance with the Protoss.
The Terrans survived until now, just because the Zerg switched their attention to other matters. First the Protoss, then their internal affairs, and now probably the artifacts.
worse than the confederacy?? who else can hold all the factions together like the dominion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
yes because all the terrans know exactly everything about the protoss. because they can read little magical excerpts and race histories. lol.Quote:
If he were a good leader, he would seek alliance with the Protoss.
The Terrans survived until now, just because the Zerg switched their attention to other matters. First the Protoss, then their internal affairs, and now probably the artifacts.
its one thing to read and observe all 3 races from the outside with full information and another to actually be 1 character.
if the protoss who are in a more desperate situation than the terrans were smart, THEY would come to the dominion for help.