SCLegacy SC2Ranks Division Discussion

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Originally Posted by Hammy

We have a new challenger: who's Min?

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idk, but sooner or later we're gonna get new registers out of nowhere, people registering just to prove they're better than we are (if they even register to the forums lol)

about bonus points, ill agree its a bad system, but it does make the ratings of those that have played different amounts of games more comparable; i cant think of a better way of doing that, not that ive actually tried.

a good thing would be to enable viewing the ratings both with and without bonus; to see the increased threat of a challanger that hasnt played in a while and therefore has a bunch of bonus points, and be able to timelessly compare the "raw" ratings across the board, from one time to another.


Skyze: we all start to lose at some point, be it to cheese or not. but i think, if youre so concerned about your record that you hold back from playing as much as you'd otherwise want to, youre losing focus: the important things that keeps us playing in the face of bad times is adapting & improving our game as to not lose in the same stupid ways as before, and in the constant search of the perfect game that is so awesome to play (and win!)

i have never seen obvious signs of hacking, other than that one disc hacker that won every game in 0 minutes. but that was a while back. anyway, if its obvious, just report it and rid your mind of it: move on.

.. sometimes, people are just lucky (or you are unlucky with a disconnection at a bad time) ... shit will always be able to happen. bonus points or not! if starcraft be the food of love, play on!

I've been scared to play more because I have 60 games, 40 wins, and 20 losses! :p

Look at those nice, round numbers! And each one is twenty subtracted from the previous number! It's so aesthetically pleasing!

If you were in my shoes, wouldn't you just want to quit StarCraft 2 and leave your record looking as pretty as this? :p

Man, I can't stand the thought of playing more games and never attaining a nice-looking record ever again :p.

Curse being mildly OCD!

go for 100 W 50 L

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Originally Posted by Todie

go for 100 W 50 L

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I'm certainly not so good that I can maintain the win-loss ratio! I'm bound to lose it forever once I play another game! D:

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Originally Posted by Todie

idk, but sooner or later we're gonna get new registers out of nowhere, people registering just to prove they're better than we are (if they even register to the forums lol)

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Well the whole point is that this is a community ranking. If the person added can't even respond to the thread, he shouldn't be there to begin with. Smite!

@Grunt: OCD is a bitch ; ) You have a responsibility to defend SEA honor though! Gogo play :p

ok, I'm curious cause this person came out of nowhere, who's Min? Are they just a lurker or a forum member, cause overnight he/she went on the top of all the charts, it's rather impressive.

I've thought about removing people that don't post here at all. On the other hand, the SCLegacy community spans more than these forums here.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

I've thought about removing people that don't post here at all. On the other hand, the SCLegacy community spans more than these forums here.

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Sure but if I start adding guys WhiteRa to the list, the community division just loses its purpose. It's not important of course, but it's pretty fun to fight over ladder points between members.

I agree it should be people who post here. At least have twenty posts before posting their name to the ladder or something.

Also, where has Usyless been? I played him last night in ladder, i think he'd be like #2 in our ladder or so.

What's funny is that he's also first in the first division of the Diamond league.

Anyone have a clue who he is? I doubt a random person skimmed the boards, found this particular thread, and decided to join the custom league.

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Originally Posted by Hammy

@Grunt: OCD is a bitch ; ) You have a responsibility to defend SEA honor though! Gogo play :p

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I went and played 3 games and now my record is ruined! I hope you're happy, Hammy! T_T

My 3 most recent losses have all been ZvZs! I dislike mirror matchups no matter the race I'm playing :p. And SEA is apparently full of Zergs because it's like a ZvZ every other game! AAAAARGH!




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Yeah you guys are definitely right. I'll start pruning the random people from the list that aren't in the b.net names thread, and from now on only admins can add characters.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

Yeah you guys are definitely right. I'll start pruning the random people from the list that aren't in the b.net names thread, and from now on only admins can add characters.

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Remember to not delete me! D:

I'm not on the bnet names list and my SC2 character name is different from my forum name :p.

geez I wish 912 was the #1 in my division! My top is two 1300's, which I thought was a low division.

My RL friend, whos actually pretty good surprisingly, is in a division like that. hes 800 and like #3, with the leader under 1000. luckkyy.

Ok. The following people have been removed from the list:

Hidden Content:

http://sc2ranks.com/us/1788890/Min
http://sc2ranks.com/us/355420/coldcuts
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/916893/mustaju
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/212890/soup
http://sc2ranks.com/us/662629/Bean
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/253621/Ronin
http://sc2ranks.com/us/366106/ExoticDancer
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/249600/JumpOff
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/212946/INFERNALelf
http://sc2ranks.com/us/867798/Vagrant
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/272557/Beun
http://sc2ranks.com/us/1829208/oGsTrapCard
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/239998/Atjeh
http://sc2ranks.com/la/10957/RedNoVeno
http://sc2ranks.com/us/367691/Lrgkingyo

It's not too many, but we should be all good now. Everyone else on the list is a confirmed member. If you were deleted but you're actually a member here, send me a PM.

I've already put Soup, JumpOff, Infernal and Ronin back in. They're our LFC homies and have accounts on scl : ) (infernal's been around for a while).

edit: it's locked so I can't add. I've PMed you links to their accounts, and wouldn't mind the PW so I can add our europe guys.

EDIT by Gradius: Done.

I'm RedNoVeno :P

Its just my latin ID for games (Im the only Lating guy BTW)

Forgot to mention it here. There's only around a couple of guys who know who I am.

My bad

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Originally Posted by Hammy

I've already put Soup, JumpOff, Infernal and Ronin back in. They're our LFC homies and have accounts on scl : )

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What does 'LFC' mean? :p And why hasn't my SC2 sig updated even after 2 hours :p.

Legacy fightclub.

two guys to a fight, no shirts, no shoes, and all that... good times!

Crota lost afew points today, time for people to catch up =]

Had a good session today. About 5-6 games. Went up 100 pts. :)

I stopped fooling around yesterday :D Diamond here I go!!!

good session started off today, I think I was past Crota for #1.. then hit a big losing streak of 4 =[ 2 proxy gateway rushes.. i'll be glad once zealot/warpin times are nerfed, least for that matchup.. PvZ may be a lot harder though =[

Yeah, I had a 0-5 run today. Had a hard time playing and today I wont be able to play as much either... something about shoutcasting games and coming up with articles.

I've seen oGsTrapcard in the Legacy Observer sometimes, don't know who that is though on the forums

EDIT: Oo Crota, Todie, and SuperKiller are all within 15 points of each other, wonder who'll be on top soon.

Aww, that's a shame, I'm rooting for Crota... cause I know now that you're in Diamond you're going to go bursting upward after him.

The Random Gods have been good to me. I have been getting Zerg about as much as I should (1/3) and I'm climbing up the ladder fairly fast. I just got another 70 points so, barring any losses, I am now ~750.

Which made me notice something: my 2v2 buddies have not been on for several days, therefore, I have not picked my race for matches with them. Maybe. because I pick Protoss/Terran for my matches with them, when I random, I get Zerg more. Could be a design flaw, could be a bug, could be paranoia :D Either way, it's nice to be climbing the ladder without so much Zerg :D

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

The Random Gods have been good to me. I have been getting Zerg about as much as I should (1/3) and I'm climbing up the ladder fairly fast. I just got another 70 points so, barring any losses, I am now ~750.

Which made me notice something: my 2v2 buddies have not been on for several days, therefore, I have not picked my race for matches with them. Maybe. because I pick Protoss/Terran for my matches with them, when I random, I get Zerg more. Could be a design flaw, could be a bug, could be paranoia :D Either way, it's nice to be climbing the ladder without so much Zerg :D

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who knows but I feel your pain.. my first 20 1v1 matches on ladder, I random'd because I wanted that Reaper icon. I went like 2-6 with zerg, so by the end of it I was like 10-8, pretty bad start for my win ratio =[ oh well, I played terran after that and recovered quite well to make my record somewhat respectable.

Zerg is strong but it takes a lot of annoying work, like injecting larva and spreading creep, and playing macro games. Im more of an aggressive player who rather have games be 15 minutes, not 45+ minutes, so zerg isnt for me =[

I thinks I took the lead....

Only be able to find out when the darn thing updates!

for someone who wasn't going to ladder except with bonus points, you sure squeezed in a bunch of games in a short time (looks like ~35 in 2-3 days :P )

and i can finally get online since my last ladder bout~

Blargh! I hit a wall and lost a bunch of games :(.

I absolutely can't stand ZvZ! I don't seem to get that matchup at all >_<. Why on earth are there so many Zergs??? I got another 3 ZvZs in a row and lost them all....blargh!

Oh, and then I lost another game to a 4-gate >_>. I blame the close positions on Metalopolis! And Zealot build time :D.

whats so special about 4 gate? if you see him cut gas you just get banelings or roaches instantly.
Warpgate is done at like 5:50 so you should have roaches by then i think?

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Originally Posted by Alterran

whats so special about 4 gate? if you see him cut gas you just get banelings or roaches instantly.
Warpgate is done at like 5:50 so you should have roaches by then i think?

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The problem is economy - I'm not going to have a fully-saturated main as fast as the Protoss, so they can outproduce me. If they see that their army composition isn't too good vs mine, they don't have to commit to the attack immediately - they can just pull back, reinforce with the next cycle of units, then attack.

One-basing isn't an option either, because even though I can definitely stop the push on one base, I'll have no way to capitalise on it. The Protoss would just go: "Oh, he's all turtled up. I'll just not go ahead with the attack, and get an expo instead." Then I have no second base to power up Drones with and overtake the Protoss in economy. You basically have to go two-bases, but it puts you in such a fragile position for when that 4gate hits.

It just requires so much practice and experience to get that perfect mixture of military/economy to fend off the push, and I don't have that much time to get the experience necessary to stop that build's various permutations. Meantime, it's a lot easier for the Protoss to execute than it is for the Zerg to defend against it, which can get on my nerves sometimes!

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Originally Posted by GRUNT

The problem is economy - I'm not going to have a fully-saturated main as fast as the Protoss, so they can outproduce me. If they see that their army composition isn't too good vs mine, they don't have to commit to the attack immediately - they can just pull back, reinforce with the next cycle of units, then attack.

One-basing isn't an option either, because even though I can definitely stop the push on one base, I'll have no way to capitalise on it. The Protoss would just go: "Oh, he's all turtled up. I'll just not go ahead with the attack, and get an expo instead." Then I have no second base to power up Drones with and overtake the Protoss in economy. You basically have to go two-bases, but it puts you in such a fragile position for when that 4gate hits.

It just requires so much practice and experience to get that perfect mixture of military/economy to fend off the push, and I don't have that much time to get the experience necessary to stop that build's various permutations. Meantime, it's a lot easier for the Protoss to execute than it is for the Zerg to defend against it, which can get on my nerves sometimes!

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Just looks like that cuz ur zerg, you said it urself, you just dont have the experience to deal with stuff :p

When i see a FE from zerg, how can i not put on some agression?
Forcing you to not use ur larva for 10000 drones to overpower me is basic protoss v zerg really.

The only "cheese" style 4 gate is the one were you mass zealots and cut all gas except for the first 50. And that one is easy to counter for zerg like i said.

i fear zergs the most.. the hardest to fight is ones who get a fast expo with speedlings and get like 2-3 spines, then mass muta. Its so frustrating, because your earlygame zealot push wont win if they get more than 1 spine, and then once the mutas are out and if they keep expanding and you're stuck in your base. Its a pain in the ass. Ever since people have been realizing that Muta's have a "critical mass" that makes them totally dominate stalkers with ease (like 15-20 mutas), its been super hard to deal with, then ling support is the killer.

I found a new trick to do in the matchup that works pretty well, to stop the zerg from getting a strong economy.. but im not telling ;o lol korean replays show you so much, I think thats how I went up ~100 pts today.

dammit, started the session 0-4 in.. ZvP!

but then caught back up near even 6-7.

realize points are complete BS on player skill, funnily the "slighly favored" is more accurate (once you get past the mass enemy favored start) will play opp with 800 pt who will be slightly faovred, and have more trouble vs him than an opp who's 1100 even match. i think the 800 pt guy had more games too but i can't remember.

mass muta is insanely strong on delta quadrant since you can 3 base it easily and hide behind a wall of spines. this game opp was outproducing me and had too many stalker for me to handle but i built like 20 spine got 3rd base gasses and just mass muta like 40+ and hit him all over his base sniping nexuses killing warpgates pylons ect.

zvp is a pain in the butt, but I end up doing best when i play as greedy as I possibly can. if you build an army at improper times it'll get you killed later on (why i went 0-4 at start). there's like 10+ different styles of 4gate or something, i've lost track of how many annoying twists of it ive fought against.

I wish they showed matchup winrates, my zvz is like 80% or something.

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Originally Posted by Skyze

Zerg is strong but it takes a lot of annoying work, like injecting larva and spreading creep, and playing macro games. Im more of an aggressive player who rather have games be 15 minutes, not 45+ minutes, so zerg isnt for me =[

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The problem for me is that when I first started playing Zerg in retail, my Zerg was about as good as a top ranked Platinum player. Now, its probably as good as a middle rank Diamond. My Zerg isn't THAT bad but when you're playing Diamond 1-10, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because of that. Still, I appreciate the experience and it led to some funny games :D But, again, I've played about 15 games these last few days (and one tournament where I didn't get Zerg except once) and I got Zerg 1/3 of the time. This is a cause for celebration to me :D

This day is cursed!

Not only did I lose seven of my eight games today, but when I went to watch CellaWerra's stream (he's Zerg for those of you who may not know and qualified for the Ro64 of the GSL), he's also having a horrible day :(.

He's been losing so many of the custom games vs Terran he's been practicing with, and when he went to ladder, he kept getting owned hard too :(.

Any other Zergs suffer a similar fate on the 1st of September? :mad:

http://sclegacy.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1283341562

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Originally Posted by GRUNT

The problem is economy - I'm not going to have a fully-saturated main as fast as the Protoss, so they can outproduce me. If they see that their army composition isn't too good vs mine, they don't have to commit to the attack immediately - they can just pull back, reinforce with the next cycle of units, then attack.

One-basing isn't an option either, because even though I can definitely stop the push on one base, I'll have no way to capitalise on it. The Protoss would just go: "Oh, he's all turtled up. I'll just not go ahead with the attack, and get an expo instead." Then I have no second base to power up Drones with and overtake the Protoss in economy. You basically have to go two-bases, but it puts you in such a fragile position for when that 4gate hits.

It just requires so much practice and experience to get that perfect mixture of military/economy to fend off the push, and I don't have that much time to get the experience necessary to stop that build's various permutations. Meantime, it's a lot easier for the Protoss to execute than it is for the Zerg to defend against it, which can get on my nerves sometimes!

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I agree. Timing and knowing when you macro and when to pump units is the aspect that makes Zerg hard for me. The problem is that whenever I take a break my timings get completely thrown off and my Zerg gets horrible again for a few days. Eventually, I get the hang of it for every match up again and it's better but for the other two races, I can pretty much stay at the same skill level minus some rusty decision making and unit control which isn't that that.

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Originally Posted by Skyze

i fear zergs the most.. the hardest to fight is ones who get a fast expo with speedlings and get like 2-3 spines, then mass muta. Its so frustrating, because your earlygame zealot push wont win if they get more than 1 spine, and then once the mutas are out and if they keep expanding and you're stuck in your base. Its a pain in the ass. Ever since people have been realizing that Muta's have a "critical mass" that makes them totally dominate stalkers with ease (like 15-20 mutas), its been super hard to deal with, then ling support is the killer.

I found a new trick to do in the matchup that works pretty well, to stop the zerg from getting a strong economy.. but im not telling ;o lol korean replays show you so much, I think thats how I went up ~100 pts today.

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Man, you have to tell me lol. Speedlings/Mutas are the biggest pain in my ass right now. I guess I better start watching Korean replays. :P