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I think Blizzard went a little too overboard with Firefly. I love Firefly but some of it was a little too much..
What do hv you guys found?
The Tv station mission chain *was a *total* ripoff of serenity.
They used a firefly song in the bar room cinematic
Jim Raynor's background on a ranch and everything is an exact copy of mal's
I can go on and on but I am too tired :D
Really? I don't remember the part of Serenity when Jane drive a Thor through Mr. Universe's control room, slaughtering hundreds of Alliance guards in the process.Quote:
The Tv station mission chain *was a *total* ripoff of serenity.
It's a rip-off in the sense that they're both about transmitting a message.
I don't recall any such dialog, but I may have missed it somewhere.Quote:
Jim Raynor's background on a ranch and everything is an exact copy of mal's
Everytime I see the word ripoff used in conjunction with mere similarities, I think of this line from Stargate SG-1 director Peter Deluise: "The french call it homage, the british call it allusion....and the americans call it ripoff." :D
They're big fans of Firefly, which is why they're inspired by it, make tribute to it etc.
The ranch background - It wouldn't be scifi western style if Jim's grew up in an urban environment. Heck his personality would probably have been different if that was the case.
People give firefly more credit than is due
Seeing as StarCraft came out before Firefly, I think we can excuse any similarities between Mal and Jim's personal histories.
I only remember Jim's being developed in Sc2Quote:
Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid
Then you weren't paying attention, or read any of the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamshank
While we're on the subject of "rip-offs" (or, as more reasonable people might put it, "homages"), anybody get some sense they've seen this before when Tosh decloaks holding a switchblade?
Play Team Fortress 2 much, Blizzard? ;)
The books came after Firefly and after SC2 development, his backstory was developed much more in SC2 than SC1
Why are you obsessed with Firefly similarities so much? You already made a thread like this in the lore board. And there's not even that many similarities. :P
I was shocked when they took even missions out of Firefly
You mean that one mission, where the only similarity was the goal of transmitting a message? And the mission goal made perfect sense in the overall context of the WoL story?Quote:
I was shocked when they took even missions out of Firefly
Seriously, you need to re-evaluate what you consider "taken from".
Now, it's going to be firefly since the Hyperion's going to have a class 12 psionic on board. :D
Not quite. They're still lacking whores... erm, I mean companions. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk
The similarities are there, but I believe that begin and end with southern-talking backwater yokels in space running against the law. And psychics. And the whole twanging guitar in the background.
It's only when that guitar twangs that I think Firefly, honestly. Firefly was much better written. Awesome scripting, too.
A lot of those similarities are similarities shared across Space Westerns in general where the emphasis is more on 'western'.
Actually, the train robbery was very similar as well... However, train robberies are common in Westerns, period. And Firefly was most likely regurgitating that scenario with their sci-fi take on it, which makes it seem somewhat similar but overall is just a typical Western thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas
And there is a very straightforward allusion... There's a cheat called "Jaynestown," which gives you a resource grant, clearly based off the episode Jaynestown in which Jayne is the undeserving hero of a city in which he dropped money upon to lighten the weight of his get-away ship.
yep yep yep. Blizzard copied firefly, i believe partly out of love, partly because firefly was more genius than them and they knew it, however, they went too far imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jabber Wookie
As you pointed out, train robberies are common in westerns. Moreover, there is a marked difference about the methods used and the merchandise being lifted. In Firefly, the gang posed as passengers before lifting the merchandise out without revealing their identities to the guards. In SC2, Raynor's crew blew up the trains in order to recover the merchandise from the wreckage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabber Wookie
As for the cheats, it's a reference to a fellow sci-fi series. There are cheats referring to other franchises as well (e.g. BSG has 'sosayweall'). Yet, Blizzard doesn't get nearly as much flack for that homage.
Firefly is a space western. Starcraft is a space western (regarding Terrans). There's bound to be similarities and homages. Gone too far? Ridiculous. They both draw from the same source, which is the old west. Most of the similarities between the two can be taken straight out of cowboy flicks and spaghetti westerns.
Speaking of which, did the escape from Mar Sara seem like it was taken from an episode of BSG to you? The jump-effect was very reminiscent of BSG, as was the ridiculous camera style (ie: pointlessly drawing attention to itself).Quote:
Yet, Blizzard doesn't get nearly as much flack for that homage.
SC1 was a Space Western, yeah. But SC2 is a totally different type of Space Western, more akin to Firefly. Don't get yourselves confused there.
Even the visual communications are ripped right out of Firefly's design
I like to think of Firefly as a prequel to Starcraft.
That's because they're set in the same genre! If people think one is copying the other, then would they make of Mass Effect and BSG? Or every non-Twilight vampire show/movie/book after Dracula?
Mr. Peasant don't be ridiculous.......
What's ridiculous is that people can overlook that both, BSG and Mass Effect feature Robot Wars, or how most vampire fiction feature lore taken from Stoker's Dracula, yet look at Firefly and SC2 and call rip-off. They both take inspiration from the same culture (specifically American Western) so it's no surprise that they share a similar aesthetic. But that's no truer than how most movies/shows/novels that are set in the same era/genre share a similar look. That's why they are categorised in the same genre.
@Hamshank
It's not ridiculous.
SC2 is a culmination of MANY science fiction inspirations. If we were to focus only on similarities, SC2 is also Aliens. SC2 is also Battlestar Galactica. It's just taking things out of context, like comparing the similarities between an Apple and an Orange then calling them the same because they're both fruits.
Blizzard has ALWAYS done this with everything they released. There are many things taken straight out of Aliens, Star Trek, Star Wars etc straight in Starcraft 1. Did you really think Starcraft 2 is any different from this with more current science fiction influences?
As Chris Sigaty said. (And I think it was even to you, who asked the question.)
"There are some Firefly fans at Blizz, but you must not forget, that SC came first."
And also, in the swedish "Dagen Nyheter" (which I happened to read the 27th flying home from Italy) Chris Sigaty answers the journalist's question about influences with.
"Well... Aliens. But we're also inspired by Star Trek, Star Wars..."
And that says it all. For every post you make about Firefly similarities, the rest of us should make 20-30 orso posts about Aliens similarities.
You're just obsessed with Firefly...
And if I am to see ANY similiarities between the two, it's the bad scripting...