Zeratul side missions are terrible

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Originally Posted by ZealotPowerade

Oh my gosh, I just played the zerg hybrid mission again because last time I beat it with cheat codes just to get it done... but now I hate it even more because the first time through I didn't notice what zeratul said...


Zeratul: A protoss and Zerg hybrid, who could have created this?!


excuse me, is your memory fading you idiot. Zeratul already KNOWS duran has seeded the hybrids on many worlds. This pisses me off so much. I have to wonder if the blizzard writing team ever even PLAYED sc1. Maybe they just sucked so bad they didn't get the secret mission. :P

A Protoss Zerg hybrid in this sacred place? Duran's abomination must be not be allowed to live!

A line like that would have been a thousand times better... oh yeah and it would have actually made sense.

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Metzen is known to be somewhat...forgetful. He tells us that infested protoss is impossible one day and then they have a comic about

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Originally Posted by Brutaxilos

Metzen is known to be somewhat...forgetful. He tells us that infested protoss is impossible one day and then they have a comic about

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In Metzen's defence that Protoss was a special case, created through very special and unique circumstances (as in the Protoss-modified Creep).

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

Zeratul's campaign is so far removed from the main storyline and too fantastical in nature that it's hard to relate. More over, the scripting in the campaign was lacking. Most anybody who has played through the campaigns will acknowledge Zeratul's soliloquy to Aldaris as being one of the most memorable quotes in the entire series. And this is one problem. The other is his self-imposed exile and quest for redemption. Much of what we have seen comes from his own experiences and internal struggles, which hasn't been given voice to by anyone but himself. Without that vital interaction it makes him into a whining prophet wannabe. Moreover, Kerass doesn't help matters. He is a Templar. and doesn't show the tiniest amount of reservation aiding Zeratul, completely voiding the pain and perceived injustices Zeratul has committed. Of all Protoss, one would think a High Templar would be the most likely to call him out - and he doesn't.

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Strongly disagree. It is just as central to the story as the Mengsk stuff. Why is the Mengsk stuff relevant? Because its his fault that Kerrigan became the Queen of Blades. Why is Zeratul's stuff relevant? because it tells us about the Zerg and Kerrigan.

Why is ANY of THAT important? Because it all ties into whoever the Voice of the Darkness is that wants to pwn everyone, and gives us background information for what is to come and THAT is the real main story line for Starcraft 2 because it ties all three races together and puts them in the same boat.

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The line was badass because it sounded cool. The meaning of the line itself you're supposed to reserve judgment on, unless you know what he is referring to.

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That's why I called it "empty poetry": it sounds nice, but if you think about it for any length of time, it's just errant nonsense. It's an Ice Cream Koan: tasty, but devoid of nutritional value.

I prefer badass lines that are actually about something. It's essentially the technobabble problem.

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[Do you have an actual legitimate complaint instead of "I can't immerse myself into a story enough to believe that characters aren't either lying or don't know what they're talking about"?

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Yes: the line's raving stupidity prevented me from being immersed in the story because it made no sense.

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in the sense that it's not about Zeratul's ego but rather establishing the authority upon which he speaks

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But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

At some instances, Zeratul actually sounded like Aldaris. Or was that atanis who sounded like Aldaris?

So, Tassadar has somewhat transcended because of his merging the void and khala energies right? Hmmm... possible plot point there.

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But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

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That's not the point. He's establishing his authority over the fact that he's much more experienced than Aldaris, and that Aldaris was just living in a bubble within his precious conclave.

Have you ever seen the movie taken? It's exactly like that, the protagonist knows the dangers of the world while his idiot daughter ignores his warnings and travels off to Paris with her idiot friend to get captured and drugged up and sold into the sex slave trade.

Aldaris is that 'idiot' so to speak. He lives in his bubble and Zeratul establishes his knowledge of the general universe to shut Aldaris up, because quite obviously Zeratul has more wisdom. Not that he saw the Zerg rampaging through other planets, but that he has more wisdom.

And would you kindly answer the question Gradius proposed? How does it not make sense when it's a freaken 600+ year old wanderer who's traveled to god knows where? The guy who first discovered the Hybrids? Zeratul's been everywhere, so it'd be nice to provide actual facts (something you love telling people to do) when claiming something doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

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He basically says that he's seen whole realities/alternate universes die, and based on that experience knows that Aiur (a single planet) is doomed. There's also the underlying metaphysica/metaphorical meaning that as such he can judge Aldaris' reality to be a false one. Makes sense to me.

You know, Eligor, I had never looked at it that way. But it makes sense. He's delved into so many alternate "scenarios" that he knows Aiur's doom is inevitable.

I much prefer how the Prophet Zeratul is hinted at in StarCraft/BroodWar rather than blatantly thrown out there in SC2.

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Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas

But none of the experiences he describes relate to the current Zerg emergency. They're just random nonsense. If he'd talked about how he's seen insectoid races rampaging across the cosmos consuming everything, then it would be on-topic.

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I think you're forgetting a lot... Everything he said relates directly to the current Zerg emergency. The point is that Aldaris can cling to the conclave and his tradition and refuse to join forces with the dark templar and face the zerg alone or he can forget their prejudice and fight side by side. It's very clear and relevant. I don't know where u get these things from. ^^

i have alot to say about this topic but is 6:21 am and i need some rest before doing my wall text of doom about the subject xD

for now i leave a simple question about the cinematic:

what happened with the fight between Zeratul and Kerrigan?
it was supposed to be a big uber EPIC fight, we even had some EPIC artwork/wallpaper about them fighting in the cave and a little scene in the intro of Zeratul blocking kicks with his arms...
i was specting a great fight between they but in the end it was only a couple of hits =S.

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Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas

but if you think about it for any length of time, it's just errant nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Nicol Bolas

Yes: the line's raving stupidity prevented me from being immersed in the story because it made no sense.

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Again, how do you know this stuff? Take us through the line of thinking that leads you to believe that Zeratul is talking about nonsense. Share your expertise of negative suns and entropy of realities with us.

There's a difference between not understanding a line and a line making no sense. You're basically saying that you know everything, therefore if something makes no sense to you, it must be rampant nonsense.

Zeratul line regarding who made the Hybrid could be taken in a different way

a)not every did dark origins, or googles all this up
b) the one duran was making could be very different from this one, making him question who made this type.

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

You get to control like 5 heroes. And I gotta say. I love Artanis' voice. It was my favorite protoss voice in BW and I'm glad they either went with the same actor or found someone who sounds very close.

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Jack Ritschel, who also voiced Zeratul, General Duke, the Overmind and the High Templar, was the voice actor for Artanis. (This guy had talent for sure, and some of the most awesome voices in the game!)

Even though he died, I'm glad to see at least Artanis' voice in SC2 sounds like his! :D

Zeratul's been spouting gibberish for a long time, but at least in SC and BW it was well scripted gibberish, and actually gave us content to talk about, such as negative realities and entropy suns.

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Jack Ritschel, who also voiced Zeratul, General Duke, the Overmind and the High Templar, was the voice actor for Artanis.

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Are you sure? Because I could have sworn I heard Artanis' VA provide voice over for a trailer I saw recently.

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Originally Posted by Visions of Khas

Zeratul's been spouting gibberish for a long time, but at least in SC and BW it was well scripted gibberish, and actually gave us content to talk about, such as negative realities and entropy suns.


Are you sure? Because I could have sworn I heard Artanis' VA provide voice over for a trailer I saw recently.

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Just as we can swear that Artanis sounds exactly like he did in BW. :P
It may just be a voice actor with a very similiar voice.

Aye, they did well on Artanis.
I wish they had Tricial Helfer emulate Glynnis more.
Same with some of the returning units. The Vulture sounds so bored comparing to his old voice.

Wraith and Firebat are awesome though.

Totally disagree that they did good on Artanis. He lacks the booming voice of SC1 where it sounds like he's talking inside your very skull, as do pretty much all Protoss. The Blizz sound department has completely stopped using the reverse-echo effect all-together....which is a huge mistake.

Take a look at an Artanis VO I did a while back. I would much rather have something like this.

The sound effects could use some work, but I slightly prefer your version of Artanis over what we've currently got. I was much more impressed by him in BroodWar. I wouldn't say his voice was ever booming, but he had more gravitas than he does now.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

Aye, they did well on Artanis.
I wish they had Tricial Helfer emulate Glynnis more.
Same with some of the returning units. The Vulture sounds so bored comparing to his old voice.

Wraith and Firebat are awesome though.

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I agree on the Vulture.
As for Tricia Helfer, even though she doesn't sound like Glynnis, she still sounds lik Kerrigan in a way. Basically, it's not Glynnis, but it's not really awful either.

btw, the planet where you start the first mission is the one at the ending of The Dark Templar Saga?

if it was, what was doing Kerrigan there? o.O

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Originally Posted by SpikeVorador

btw, the planet where you start the first mission is the one at the ending of The Dark Templar Saga?

if it was, what was doing Kerrigan there? o.O

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Ehlna =/= Ulaan

mm no im not talking about Ehlna. The planet that was in the other side of the wormhole that the energy creatures open is Ulaan?

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Originally Posted by Wankey

Who wrote this crap? The dialogue is painful to listen to. The missions themselves aren't very interesting either and the storyline progression is just sad.

Big fail on this part of the game, feels very tacked on.

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Um. Yes. I love Zeratuls LIVELY eyes staring at me during the 'briefings'. I really miss the power of the talking heads, the fantastic voicework.. *sigh*.

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Originally Posted by Alex06

Jack Ritschel, who also voiced Zeratul, General Duke, the Overmind and the High Templar, was the voice actor for Artanis. (This guy had talent for sure, and some of the most awesome voices in the game!)

Even though he died, I'm glad to see at least Artanis' voice in SC2 sounds like his! :D

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Hm, I used to think this, but now I'm pretty sure that's all not true.

I'm actually pretty sure Paul Eiding had ALWAYS voiced the Overmind. Because the Overmind sounded pretty much the same (different audio effects, though), and I can't think of why else they'd have cast him as the Overmind in SC2 otherwise. (Not that he's not great.)

Artanis I don't think could be him either, from what I've seen he did mostly really older, deeper voices. Like Zeratul, Dugalle, Duke and I think he MUST have done King Terenas in WarCraft as well.

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Originally Posted by Aldrius

Hm, I used to think this, but now I'm pretty sure that's all not true.

I'm actually pretty sure Paul Eiding had ALWAYS voiced the Overmind. Because the Overmind sounded pretty much the same (different audio effects, though), and I can't think of why else they'd have cast him as the Overmind in SC2 otherwise. (Not that he's not great.)

Artanis I don't think could be him either, from what I've seen he did mostly really older, deeper voices. Like Zeratul, Dugalle, Duke and I think he MUST have done King Terenas in WarCraft as well.

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I based this on what was on IMDB...Gah, really confusing.
But yeah I think you're right, Paul Eiding = Overmind.

I think it was a good idea, you got to play Protoss in the terrain Expansion, would you rather have played other Terran? The story IMO is sounding a lot like WoW with Arthas :( I'm really disappointed about that rather than being able to play Protoss.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Lamb

Um. Yes. I love Zeratuls LIVELY eyes staring at me during the 'briefings'. I really miss the power of the talking heads, the fantastic voicework.. *sigh*.

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Okay so am I the only one who sees this and immediately thinks of this.

blizz really needs to chill with this prophecy and future telling stuff.

I'm just angry I came up 100 kills shy of 2750 on hard the one time I played through it. :/