Terrible campaign

The whole thing sucked except for gabriel tosh. i feel bad for dissing him so much, he turned out to be the only thing good about it. what an awful ending (what the fuck? i thought she was meant to be doing it all of her own free will anyway after the overmind died. she was just evil). man i'm disappointed. jim raynor became so lame between games. and that hybrid was pathetic, for a perfect super-being he sure talked a lot of shit and failed to back it up (i think about four zealots could kill him). mengsk was a caricature, lost all his charisma. it wasn't even very fun, there were way too many missions where you were defending something or escorting something or waiting on dumb timers instead of just building up a shit load of units and attacking a base. i can't believe this game took a decade to make!

sorry i don't like being negative but i didn't enjoy this much at all, hope other people did though

oh yeah, and the game became so easy once i got self-healing vehicles and ships, reactor command centre, mules, reactor labs etc. i was only playing on hard difficulty, however, i haven't tried brutal yet.

edit: the bit where hanson turned into a monster was cool, SOME of the music was pretty good, and the graphics were great. also, gabriel tosh was cool (surprisingly). AND i laughed at the heavy metal song at the end. it wasn't all bad.

I agree. Cannot say more because you are going to get a flamestorm coming towards you.
Also, the cinematics were pathetic.

I am extremely sad I payed so much for the game and waited with so much anticipation.

Remember the cinematic in starcraft 1?

The one on the science vessels with 6 or so marines fighting?

ending in everything blowing up?

That cinematic was superior in every way to the sc2 cinematics, even graphically




The graphics used there made it look so much more serious and dark

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Also, the cinematics were pathetic.

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TELL ME ABOUT IT. half of the dialogue was stupid senseless gibbering about prophecies and artifacts. blizzard, in your next game can we please have none of either, keep that shit for WoW. the music was terrible in the cinematics too, all soaring and triumphant and totally contrary to the mood of the original game. the end cinematic was so stupid and sentimental i didn't even feel like laughing at it. i mean seriously, WHY WOULD THEY NOT KILL KERRIGAN. i don't care if she can save the universe, she needs to die. she's a great character but only when she's a villain, not when blizzard tries to redeem her.

just as a sidenote, what sort of shitty dictatorship was mengsk running anyway? his censorship was pathetic, that chick on the news was saying whatever she wanted. in a real totalitarian state she would have vanished in the middle of the night. i still liked mengsk more than all the "heroes" even though he was a shadow of his former self.

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I am extremely sad I payed so much for the game and waited with so much anticipation.

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this is why it's so aggravating...we've been waiting so long for this game and all it's good for is making the original seem even better by comparison

edit: sorry guys, i've got to get this out of my system. why the fuck did blizzard ask me for my real name and my address and all that before i could play the game IN SINGLEPLAYER? of course i gave them fake ones. they're not getting shit out of me

and i am just talking about the singleplayer game, multiplayer might rule the school, i haven't tried it yet. my internet's fucked atm

second edit: ALSO, this game is buggy as fuck. maybe it's just the mac version, but the game deleted all my saves when i was halfway through the campaign and i had to start again. i'm just glad i've finished it now, gonna give it to my mate and hopefully get some reading done.

Whats wrong with you all?
It's a 2 completely whole campaigns left if so don't you worry about the story.

Also I think it was executed extremely well being linked up so well, but you can still play it even though you have never played sc1. Also the unit introduction was great. I used everyone of the units, maybe not in every mission but I used them.

I'll just say I'm fairly disappointed.

I didn't have as much fun as I hoped I would, and by the end I felt kind of... empty.

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Originally Posted by Twilice

Whats wrong with you all?
It's a 2 completely whole campaigns left if so don't you worry about the story.

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Are you crazy ?

So the game can be mediocre because there are two campaigns left ? Please think about what you said right there.

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Also I think it was executed extremely well being linked up so well, but you can still play it even though you have never played sc1. Also the unit introduction was great. I used everyone of the units, maybe not in every mission but I used them.

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If unit introduction is so important to you, then I am happy for you. I, for one, prefer storytelling and immersion. None of which excited me in this game.

Again, cinematics sucked BALLS.

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I'll just say I'm fairly disappointed.

I didn't have as much fun as I hoped I would, and by the end I felt kind of... empty.

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I also felt empty squidbro. The "showdown" was less of a show and more of a down for me =(

I'm realy wondering and bafled on what you guys were actualy expecting from the campaign?

So since the campaign was so bad and such a disapointment, would you care to show me any other rts game campaign which is bether?
For me WOL it's still the best rts campaign experience i've had in this decade. Yes the campaign could be done much bether,and lots of things could be and should be improved, but it is still miles ahead of all the other rts campaign that were released in the last few years.
How can something be terrible, if it's bether than everything else in it's category?

I were more leaning on that the story isn't finished yet.....

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I'm realy wondering and bafled on what you guys were actualy expecting from the campaign?

So since the campaign was so bad and such a disapointment, would you care to show me any other rts game campaign which is bether?
For me WOL it's still the best rts campaign experience i've had in this decade. Yes the campaign could be done much bether,and lots of things could be and should be improved, but it is still miles ahead of all the other rts campaign that were released in the last few years.
How can something be terrible, if it's bether than everything else in it's category?

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I know one game

Starcraft 1

There aren't many strategy games out there shooting for a serious campaign
(like red alert/cnc series)
Or they don't have such a campaign (total war games etc)

Starcraft 2 just didn't cut the cake

I think you are being too harsh, seriously it was awesome.
It was not perfect but what is? Sc1 was not perfect either, I had alot of fun with it.
The missions were creative and the story is building up nicely.

Ye I feel very hard discussing this because at some point (Don't want to say in the end) I have to agree and say yes it was good, very good some scenes shook me out of my seats but thats it: Some scenes

But I just feel like it could have been so much better.

Regardless of the story

it was the presentation that was lacking greatly

I never got time to care about the characters


Starcraft 2 is three campaigns yes but in sc1's first campaign I got attached to characters like duke and mengsk (and of course raynor)

But in starcraft 2 they either left/died or didn't get enough screen time
Wish I had gotten to know swann more, tosh more, matt more, the scientist more, the doctor more etc.

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Originally Posted by userstupidname

I know one game

Starcraft 1

There aren't many strategy games out there shooting for a serious campaign
(like red alert/cnc series)
Or they don't have such a campaign (total war games etc)

Starcraft 2 just didn't cut the cake

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So you're basicly saying that every single rts game created and it's campaign after sc1 was terrible?

And i don't realy find sc1 campaign that good, the story is good while the misions are super boring and repetitive, sc2 campaign is far superior in that remark.

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So you're basicly saying that every single rts game created and it's campaign after sc1 was terrible?

And i don't realy find sc1 campaign that good, the story is good while the misions are super boring and repetitive, sc2 campaign is far superior in that remark.

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I'll agree here. More mission variety is definitely a plus, but when the story and voice acting sucks and you're bored, who cares?

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Originally Posted by Perfecttear

So you're basicly saying that every single rts game created and it's campaign after sc1 was terrible?

And i don't realy find sc1 campaign that good, the story is good while the misions are super boring and repetitive, sc2 campaign is far superior in that remark.

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what???

What? This makes me so confused
No I am not basically saying that every single rts game after sc1 was terrible
I said: I know one game sc1

Then I just remarked that many strategy games don't go for serious setting


And how in the world is starcraft 2 far superior?

In sc1 we had character progression, betrayal, surprises etc.

Reconsider far superior please

Well.... I loved it!!! I only wanted it for the story and i did every thing i wanted it to do... Apart from it crashing it was good but that might be my computer. To be honest the one thing i didnt like about it was that there wasnt anoth missions. I WANT MORE!!!! Bring on Heart of the Swarm!!!
Good job Blizz

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what???

What? This makes me so confused
No I am not basically saying that every single rts game after sc1 was terrible
I said: I know one game sc1

Then I just remarked that many strategy games don't go for serious setting


And how in the world is starcraft 2 far superior?

In sc1 we had character progression, betrayal, surprises etc.

Reconsider far superior please

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I meant sc2 WOL is far superior to sc1 in mission variety and gameplay.

In Sc1 i sometime got so bored i used cheats because of the mission repetiton.
I could not even dream about doing it here. And the campaign is good so far..You expected too much i guess.

what are you talking about? I love it :X xDxDxD

I think "terrible" is the wrong word. Its not a terrible campaign. It has redeeming qualities.

Its just not... heh... "stellar."

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I meant sc2 WOL is far superior to sc1 in mission variety and gameplay.

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Ah ye my mistake I agree on what you say

sc2 did pull trough on the missions keeping up to story while being various



Not like red alert 2 compared with red alert 3 where red alert 3 like many agrees on that it just takes you to recognizable and various locations giving no real sense of a frontline

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Originally Posted by userstupidname

I know one game

Starcraft 1

There aren't many strategy games out there shooting for a serious campaign
(like red alert/cnc series)
Or they don't have such a campaign (total war games etc)

Starcraft 2 just didn't cut the cake

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StarCraft 1? Wait... ahah... hum... You are kidding right?

I think nostalgia is hitting ur brain really hard. SC1 story was great. But the way the campaign were going was TERRIBLE. Mengks/Dugal/Duke/Zerathul wre just PLAIN DUMB in SC1 campaign. Being fooled over by some kids that couldnt hide their plan for ?%/.

At least this time people were not completly retarded. I must admit on people opinion about the UNN casts that it was too much. I think Blizz wanted to make it part funny. But ya, was overdone. After a few casts you kind of get the idea.

Also for the ending. I think it's the best that I could have wanted. Yes people want her dead but it's only the 1/3 of the whole story we have seen. I am sure they wont let Sarah end up being a good girl living a great life with Jimmy anytime soon.

I was also suspecting Tychus to do something at the end, but not like this, so I was kind of happy to see this happen.

I feel like im the only one who enjoyed the game, and i think it's a shame. Because after all, any StarCraft fan should have anticipated that result. Im not fanboy who wouldn't want to admit the game suck. It's just that it is exactly how this was meant to be and what Blizz promessed us. Were u guys looking for another game?

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StarCraft 1? Wait... ahah... hum... You are kidding right?

I think nostalgia is hitting ur brain really hard. SC1 story was great. But the way the campaign were going was TERRIBLE. Mengks/Dugal/Duke/Zerathul wre just PLAIN DUMB in SC1 campaign. Being fooled over by some kids that couldnt hide their plan for ?%/.

At least this time people were not completly retarded. I must admit on people opinion about the UNN casts that it was too much. I think Blizz wanted to make it part funny. But ya, was overdone. After a few casts you kind of get the idea.

Also for the ending. I think it's the best that I could have wanted. Yes people want her dead but it's only the 1/3 of the whole story we have seen. I am sure they wont let Sarah end up being a good girl living a great life with Jimmy anytime soon.

I was also suspecting Tychus to do something at the end, but not like this, so I was kind of happy to see this happen.

I feel like im the only one who enjoyed the game, and i think it's a shame. Because after all, any StarCraft fan should have anticipated that result. Im not fanboy who wouldn't want to admit the game suck. It's just that it is exactly how this was meant to be and what Blizz promessed us. Were u guys looking for another game?

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Everyone foresaw starcraft 2 ending and story etc.
I think you have seen the ''duran/mengsk and such are really stupid'' thread



Also now now, we don't all hate starcraft 2 it was an incredible ride, the campaign as well, but in writing it is hard to point out the wrong problems without sounding over dramatic compared to an oral discussion

True that but this thread makes it sound over-dramatic..."Terrible" even, for me it was a blast and I'm not even done yet.

Its not that its bad. Its that we waited 12 years, the game is not revolutionary nor great.
Sc1 was both for its time.

And again, the cinematics were terrible... that was one of the things I was waiting the most.

I think some of you guys hyped yourselves so much about the campaign that you would have ended up disappointed in any case.

The story, cinematics, characters and presentation were on par with the high standards set by the first Starcraft, and the missions were far more varied and interesting.
I thouroughly enjoyed it, and was often on the edge of my seat, anxiously waiting to know what happened next; it was a wonderful experience that completely absorbed me for the past couple days.

And both Zeratul's vision and the ending open up a hole lot of interesting possibilities for the expansions, and I already can't wait for them. :D

Worst campaign Blizzard has made yet, and I thought SC1's was pretty bad. Ugh, so disappointed. Liked maybe two missions, everything else was generic and totally done before. Bad VA for the most part, poor storyline, horribly written dialogue.....okay missions in terms of fun. It felt like a chore after the first few missions.

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I think some of you guys hyped yourselves so much about the campaign that you would have ended up disappointed in any case.

The story, cinematics, characters and presentation were on par with the high standards set by the first Starcraft, and the missions were far more varied and interesting.
I thouroughly enjoyed it, and was often on the edge of my seat, anxiously waiting to know what happened next; it was a wonderful experience that completely absorbed me for the past couple days.

And both Zeratul's vision and the ending open up a hole lot of interesting possibilities for the expansions, and I already can't wait for them. :D

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Sure, it's on par with SC1.....an extremely archaic game in an industry that moves very rapidly. By today's story telling standards, it really is poorly done. They could have taken a hint from Pixar, with Toy Story's trilogy (as funny as that sounds). You can make a complete story and wrap up the loose ends in each section of a trilogy, and they showed us how. I wish WoL was more fleshed out rather than spread with random side missions for the sake of it, that don't contribute to the main story arc in any way. I'd say 80% of the campaign isn't even related to the main mission.

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Worst campaign Blizzard has made yet, and I thought SC1's was pretty bad. Ugh, so disappointed. Liked maybe two missions, everything else was generic and totally done before. Bad VA for the most part, poor storyline, horribly written dialogue.....okay missions in terms of fun. It felt like a chore after the first few missions.




Sure, it's on par with SC1.....an extremely archaic game in an industry that moves very rapidly. By today's story telling standards, it really is poorly done. They could have taken a hint from Pixar, with Toy Story's trilogy (as funny as that sounds). You can make a complete story and wrap up the loose ends in each section of a trilogy, and they showed us how. I wish WoL was more fleshed out rather than spread with random side missions for the sake of it, that don't contribute to the main story arc in any way. I'd say 80% of the campaign isn't even related to the main mission.

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Thats is one of the pluses. You can take breaks from the main plot and pursue something else in the interests of Raynor or someone else.

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They could have taken a hint from Pixar, with Toy Story's trilogy (as funny as that sounds). You can make a complete story and wrap up the loose ends in each section of a trilogy, and they showed us how.

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Inapt comparison, Toy Story's films were all conceptualized as individual films. SC2 is meant to be a trilogy. A better comparison would be SC2 to the Lord of the Ring films. And really, their endings weren't all that great either.

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Thats is one of the pluses. You can take breaks from the main plot and pursue something else in the interests of Raynor or someone else.

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It's a plus to an extent, but then they wind up blowing past actual major plot points later on.

Like they RUSH past the Tychus revelation in about 5 seconds. While we spent a crap-ton of time on completely incidental things that had little to do with anything except stretching the plot. I mean really, only Tychus, Zeratul and Matt Horner's missions had ANYTHING to do with the plot. And even then they had a ton of filler.

Having said that, I really enjoyed the campaign until the ending. I thought it was flawed, but well done. The structure and presentation were a lot better than the actual plot, though. (A lot of style, little substance you might say) Which was kind of all over the place. And the ending was total BS. (I thought the cinematics were pretty good, though. Except the Kerrigan vs. Zeratul one. That was just stupid. They didn't even really fight. They just had a conversation about prophecies and the future. Which is really out of character for Kerrigan anyway.)

I'm not sure what you guys mean by horrible voice acting. Honestly, if you want to see horrible voice acting, I'll show you horrible voice acting. I thought the voice acting was really well done. Tricia was better as Kerrigan than I thought she was going to be, though she played the character REALLY differently than Glynnis did. (More carefree nihilist, less wily bastard.) But I thought everyone else was really good in their parts.

I was kinda weirded out by the fact that they had Michael Dorn playing Tassadar. I'm not sure I agree with that casting choice. Though I'm not sure I agree with Tassadar's ghost appearing at all, so I guess it's a moot point. The prophecy stuff worked better than I thought it would. (Though the nuts and bolts of it were silly. The prophecy being "Kerrigan saves the Universe" is just a cheap excuse for characters to behave illogically.) I thought the final Zeratul mission was really affecting, though. The goal basically being: "Go out in a blaze of glory."

Otherwise I thought it was pretty good, though. Certainly much bigger and louder. There was less of that alien-esque horror element to be sure, but I thought it was pretty good. Certainly not terrible.

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It's a plus to an extent, but then they wind up blowing past actual major plot points later on.

Like they RUSH past the Tychus revelation in about 5 seconds. While we spent a crap-ton of time on completely incidental things that had little to do with anything except stretching the plot. I mean really, only Tychus, Zeratul and Matt Horner's missions had ANYTHING to do with the plot. And even then they had a ton of filler.

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Looking back though, a lot of the missions I think are completely optional. If you focus on Tychus' missions and collecting the artifacts ASAP, you can probably skip the Tosh, Hanson and even Matt's missions.

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Looking back though, a lot of the missions I think are completely optional. If you focus on Tychus' missions and collecting the artifacts ASAP, you can probably skip the Tosh, Hanson and even Matt's missions.

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Hm, I think Matt's missions must be necessary.

Or I imagine there's probably a hard cap.

Thinking about the plot. I'm not sure how you'd avoid progressing after you meet Valerian, though.

I think Tychus' missions are actually unavailable for a while too. I think I remember only having Matt and Hanson missions at one point.

every line of dialogue in this game was a horrible cliche. the story was absolutely awful. i mean, completely unexplained artifacts were shoehorned into the kerrigan storyline so the whole thing would tie together. none of the new characters were memorable at all except for maybe tosh. in starcraft 1, every single character was memorable. and the game was pretty unfunny, i only smiled once or twice at it.

anyway, i'm definitely not disrespecting anybody who did enjoy the game, it just wasn't my thing

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every line of dialogue in this game was a horrible cliche.

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No more than anything else Blizzard has put out, generally speaking. Granted there were a lot of "We'll see about that!"-esque lines. And Zeratul's dialogue was really strange. Kerrigan got a bit more megalomaniac-y too. Which was kind of silly because she didn't used to be like that.

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i mean, completely unexplained artifacts were shoehorned into the kerrigan storyline so the whole thing would tie together.

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Agree with you there. Kerrigan's involvement in this plot was pretty awkward. I can't buy her putting that much faith into a prophecy, or caring that much about a bunch of stones.

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none of the new characters were memorable at all except for maybe tosh. in starcraft 1, every single character was memorable.

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Well this is highly subjective, but I freaking loved Tychus, Warfield, Valerian and I thought Matt was all right. Generally I think the plot's just a bit too broad for anyone to really make much of an impact. I mean Valerian's in the game for all of what... 5? 10 minutes? I thought he was cool regardless, but they kind of went for more dialogue-oriented presentation (rather than having the character talk AT you for like 10 minutes), the characters don't come across as well.

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Like they RUSH past the Tychus revelation in about 5 seconds. While we spent a crap-ton of time on completely incidental things that had little to do with anything except stretching the plot. I mean really, only Tychus, Zeratul and Matt Horner's missions had ANYTHING to do with the plot. And even then they had a ton of filler.

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Not really. You hear Findlay making a deal with Mengsk in the very first cinematic! So, you know a bckstab is coming at some point.

Even if you don't take that into account, there are several hints over the course of the campaign. Horner spots Findlay accessing Kerrigan's files aboard the Hyperion. He also discovers that Findlay's marine suit is set to kill him and Raynor wonders what his old friend had gotten himself into. Then, Tosh notes that there is a traitor aboard and also comments that Findlay is acting conflicted. Lastly, there's Findlay himself; he dropped hints throughout the campaign that he's being forced to betray Raynor, seemed awfully intent on killing Kerrigan and then, there's the drunk scene with Raynor's observations thereafter.

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I'm realy wondering and bafled on what you guys were actualy expecting from the campaign?

So since the campaign was so bad and such a disapointment, would you care to show me any other rts game campaign which is bether?
For me WOL it's still the best rts campaign experience i've had in this decade. Yes the campaign could be done much bether,and lots of things could be and should be improved, but it is still miles ahead of all the other rts campaign that were released in the last few years.
How can something be terrible, if it's bether than everything else in it's category?

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The decade just began ! :D , but yea I agree...it sets a new standard for the genre

I thought the ending could of been better, but critising the game's story now is like getting 1/3 through a movie, turning it off and saying that ending sucked. The ending of WoL was not THE ending, just the end of 1/3 of the story.

Also I've played the game on brutal on every level except for the last (driving me to my wits end to finish it) and let me say that the hybrids are not soft. 4 zealots killing a hybrid on brutal? Ha! Yeah right

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Sure, it's on par with SC1.....an extremely archaic game in an industry that moves very rapidly. By today's story telling standards, it really is poorly done. They could have taken a hint from Pixar, with Toy Story's trilogy (as funny as that sounds). You can make a complete story and wrap up the loose ends in each section of a trilogy, and they showed us how. I wish WoL was more fleshed out rather than spread with random side missions for the sake of it, that don't contribute to the main story arc in any way. I'd say 80% of the campaign isn't even related to the main mission.

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I have to disagree that today's story telling standards are higher than yesterday's, there's just more technology avaible to narrate dynamically in videogames and movies, but really it all comes down to the writing and scenography.

The first Starcraft had, and probably still has, the most memorable storyline ever seen in a RTS game (whether you liked it or not :p), and Starcraft 2 is a worthy successor in every way.
Even considering videogames that belong to a genre where story is arguably more important than in RTSs (like RPGs), there's not a huge number of them that managed to build up characters and events as well as the Starcraft series did/does.

And while I'm a Pixar fan as well, I find your comparison very unfair, because telling a story in a movie and telling it in a videogame are two entirely different things, especially in length and presentation.

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I'm realy wondering and bafled on what you guys were actualy expecting from the campaign?

So since the campaign was so bad and such a disapointment, would you care to show me any other rts game campaign which is bether?

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Chaos Rising in Dawn of War 2 is much much better

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I thought the ending could of been better, but critising the game's story now is like getting 1/3 through a movie, turning it off and saying that ending sucked. The ending of WoL was not THE ending, just the end of 1/3 of the story.

Also I've played the game on brutal on every level except for the last (driving me to my wits end to finish it) and let me say that the hybrids are not soft. 4 zealots killing a hybrid on brutal? Ha! Yeah right

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I didn't play on brutal, I played on hard and they were squishy squishy just graviton them and blast them.

Also 1/3 trough a movie isn't really true, Its like 1/3 a trilogy and the first one wasn't really that great. Hey ye it might be a great stepping stone but Wol's story telling and presentation in it self was not incredible, don't get me wrong it is good just not that good.

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every line of dialogue in this game was a horrible cliche. the story was absolutely awful. i mean, completely unexplained artifacts were shoehorned into the kerrigan storyline so the whole thing would tie together. none of the new characters were memorable at all except for maybe tosh. in starcraft 1, every single character was memorable. and the game was pretty unfunny, i only smiled once or twice at it.

anyway, i'm definitely not disrespecting anybody who did enjoy the game, it just wasn't my thing

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Defiantly agree on the artifacts, it all felt too... convenient
And I wish they had worked more on the civilians