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Originally Posted by LordofAscension

Therein lies the problem with your complaint. It's serviceable, not awesome, not amazing, but adequate after 12+ years adequate isn't what was expected.

Our complaint with the writing style is that while SC and BW were a bit over the top and campy it made sense - there was sophistication and purpose and while I agree that it is too early to really form a totally informed opinion, what've we've seen of the dialogue is far too over the top. It suffers from "epic syndrome" and while you can argue that that is blizz's style in BW and SC you had the direct nature of the Zerg dialogue and the sophistication of the Protoss to balance it out - now we have an entire campaign filled with Lester-esque Terran's. Even Nova sounds like a red-neck (*hangs head in hands*) and while a lot of my aversion to the dialect might come from my personal opinion overall the acting makes the story seem both vapid and overly epic (read: try too hard).

I've started writing notes for SC:L's mega review already but rest assured we'll all play through the campaign a couple of times before we render our judgment.

~LoA

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What you aren't taking into account is that these cutscenes are supposed to be the epic moments in the story. There will be plenty of normal, non over the top dialog during convos on the Hyperion and in missions.

And Nova sounds like a redneck? Not sure what you're listening to but she sounds nothing like a redneck.

Also, this is a campaign about the Terrans, so of course it's not going to have a ton of Protoss or Zerg style writing in it.

I'm not sure what your complaint is. The Terran campaign sounds too... Terran?

Lol! Well said, Hav0x. To expand a little, I don't really hear much 'redneckedness' (not a word, I know) in Tosh, Hanson, Swann, Horner or Valerian Mengsk (his father is also more a Southern gentleman than a redneck). The only properly redneck characters are Raynor, Findlay and Kachinsky. The reason it seems so prominent is because the characters who talk the most (Raynor and Findlay) both have the accents.

I think you use the term redneck too loosely.

Besides, even in SC1 terrans had been space cowboys. I'm not sure what you are thinking of when you cry redneck, but just about every voice I heard from SC1 sounded like a character that fits fine into a firefly, cowbow bebop, or generic "sci fi western" world. SC2 is no different in this regard, except that the art (visual and music) is a lot better

Anyway looks like the videos have been removed.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

Anyway looks like the videos have been removed.

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Good thing I saved them eh? Even though it won't matter in 2 days.

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

What you aren't taking into account is that these cutscenes are supposed to be the epic moments in the story. There will be plenty of normal, non over the top dialog during convos on the Hyperion and in missions.

And Nova sounds like a redneck? Not sure what you're listening to but she sounds nothing like a redneck.

Also, this is a campaign about the Terrans, so of course it's not going to have a ton of Protoss or Zerg style writing in it.

I'm not sure what your complaint is. The Terran campaign sounds too... Terran?

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Yes, I think that's exactly what my complaint is haha. It probably doesn't make a lot of sense. And yes I am using the term redneck too loosely. I equate redneck with southern because the dialect annoys me a bit.

Most of what I have seen is text and I absolutely need to see all of the dialogue it could be significantly better. The delivery will def. help make it or break it.

~LoA

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Originally Posted by The_Blade

Well, parts of Kerrigan's arm also have zerg scales on them. And it looks like Raynor and the crew no only wipped out Kerrigan's zerg DNA, but every zerg in char. Unless they are all underground killing each other or themselves.

Now to voiceacting this is my list from best to worst (this is just related to the cinematics):

Mengsk
Horner
Ariel
Zeratul
Tychus
Tosh
Nova
Raynor
Horace
Swann
Valerian
Queen of Blades
Sarah Kerrigan

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Whoa whoa...

You're gonna need to defend some of these placements.

How is Swann and Valerian 4th and 3rd from last position?
Swann/Valerian played their parts perfectly. They got their character across.
They were definetly (at least) better than Horace...

If I had to do this list...

Mengsk
Zeratul
Raynor
Swann
Horner
Valerian
Ariel
Nova
Tychus
Tosh
Queen of Blades
Sarah Kerrigan

I put Zeratul 2nd from top, because a different guy was playing the role, and I honestly didn't even miss the original voice actor.

I agree however that Queen of Blades/Sarah Kerrigan was almost a complete disappointment. Her voice was cracking & sounded a little like a dude.

Tricia Hefner(sp?) was probably chosen because she was an actoress in the Command & Conquer games of which Dustin Browder was the game director. The original VA would have been 10x better.

Tychus, Tosh, and Kerrigan didn't sound natural, so they're closer to the bottom.

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As I've said before, the only reason Tricia Helfer is voicing is because of star power. Its the only explanation of why they brought back Robert Clotworthy and James Harper but not Glynnis Talken. Since the moment it was announced I have been pissed. I love Tricia, Canada represent, but the whole thing is kind of insulting.

Any theory on what exactly the artifact does? Other than it deinfests things which is in itself still not 100% confirmed.

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

Good thing I saved them eh? Even though it won't matter in 2 days.

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Anyway you can send those videos through PM? Also, Is Horace voiced by Keith David?

tychus is die??

edit: any downloading link???

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Originally Posted by scorpio19

tychus is die??

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It's up to Jimmy to decide his fate... But my guess, Jimmy probably would let Tychus live...:)

I don't think Jimmy did it. The sharp metal ricochet in the audio says no. I figure it's the bomb in his suit that killed him.

Hmm... probably... Dead or alive, nobody really cares now... because all we care about is Jim & Sarah... Very very nice and sweet ending, for WoL, at least.

Yeah. I posted a comment saying,

"I want one."

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Originally Posted by mr. peasant

I think this is a shining example of an unpleasable fanbase. Remember how Blizzard at first didn't want Clotworthy for Raynor? But the fans did so Blizzard gave in. Now that the fans got what they wanted, what do they do? Complain about it. I reckon, had Talken been given the Kerrigan role, people would also be complaining about her performance.

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I doubt it, as we've already seen this cinematic in the form of an animatic with the old configuration, and back then, people were only complaining about Raynor's voice, as he was the only non-returning VA.



Personally, I want to see someone splice the vocals. I don't have a program to do it, or I would to see how it looks.

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If anyone saved all the videos i would be REALLY glad if they could pm me them

I come from the future,and I can tell you....I can tell you Blizzard has copied the Supreme Commander Forged Alliance plot.....

Plus,the "Kerrigan is human OASMKGANSG!" was anticipated by,half the world?.How come Blizzard let everyone guess the ending of WoL,heck,even watching the trailer "Ghosts of the Past" alone reveals EVERYTHING.

I just noticed something.
The guy with glasses you see for a split second in the "Hearts and Minds" Video is marked "Mike Liberty" in the editor. Just thought I'd let you know :)

bah single player so far is really disappointing. They ruined Zeratul for one, which is unforgivable. Compare:

“I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities….”

to this lines like:

"That spore crawler can see me, I should stun it with my void prison!"

Seriously? Zeratul is dead to me now.

You know what really is missing though? It's the interaction between characters ingame. The cutscenes are great. But the dialogue for in game missions and between characters out of cutscenes is absolutely terrible. In sc1 everthing had this really nice flow due to the story being told by talking heads in the mission briefings. The pre mission breifing in sc2 is great too, because its usually one character giving a monologue to you about the mission. But anytime I click on a character to talk to them or you trigger an in mission talking head it just feels so out of place.

The Main difference is that in Sc1 you were "yourself"...
While here you are Raynor. So...yeah

I did not mind Zeratul's tutorial-ish comments.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

The Main difference is that in Sc1 you were "yourself"...
While here you are Raynor. So...yeah

I did not mind Zeratul's tutorial-ish comments.

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This doesn't make any sense at all. If you are indeed playing as raynor experiencing the memories of Zeratul then much like in the dark templar saga Zeratul should be guiding you through the memories. He should not be talking to himself about things that should be obvious to seasoned dark templar. Have you ever heard the term expository dialogue? In terms of storytelling it's usually a no no.

I meant that in Sc1 you were the "Magistrate/Commander" which in turn was meant to be the player. Instead here you are Raynor.

And i think that the crystal recorded thoughts as well. It was the whole experience from Zeratul's point of view.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

I meant that in Sc1 you were the "Magistrate/Commander" which in turn was meant to be the player. Instead here you are Raynor.

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Sorry, I guess I was unclear, I understand what you meant about being the Magistrate. I just meant that it doesn't make any sense to justify the terrible expository dialogue using the reason that you play as Raynor.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

And i think that the crystal recorded thoughts as well. It was the whole experience from Zeratul's point of view.

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That's exactly the problem. It makes Zeratul out to be a terribly retarded character. Let me give you an example, I'm a beginner when it comes judo but when I'm in a match I've never thought to myself, "my opponent is circling to the right so I should start to circle the opposite direction and catch him in a shoulder throw. I just try it right away to see if it works, or I do a foot sweep. Characters saying things to themselves that they normally wouldn't for the sake of the viewer really breaks the story down. It's just bad writing. There's always a more creative way to work in the communication of what to do.

You do actually think about it, you just never notice that you think about it because you execute it before you notice that you think about it.. And by then it is irrelevant since it is executed. But since Protoss are telepaths they may speak audibly to themselves...Or...Something.

But I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

You do actually think about it, you just never notice that you think about it because you execute it before you notice that you think about it.. And by then it is irrelevant since it is executed. But since Protoss are telepaths they may speak audibly to themselves...Or...Something.

But I agree with you.

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heh that was the point :P u don't speak to yourself because words are too slow for it to be useful in that sort of situation. But yes, you do think about it. I agree with you there. Without thought, there is no action.

And maybe Protoss since protoss use thoughts to talk he maybe thought it through and we heard it since we were reading his memories...
Far-fetched explanation but its better than the "He has become senile" theory.

Ye thats true, but it could have been a little better


Remember the second sc1 mission?

Attacking:

Zerg building

Raynor - Blast it boys!


Repairing:

Vulture - Ye fix my back while you are on it

etc.

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Originally Posted by Gurluash

And maybe Protoss since protoss use thoughts to talk he maybe thought it through and we heard it since we were reading his memories...
Far-fetched explanation but its better than the "He has become senile" theory.

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Doesn't matter the reason, it's still dumb as hell. :P

Opinions abound!

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Originally Posted by Hav0x

What you aren't taking into account is that these cutscenes are supposed to be the epic moments in the story. There will be plenty of normal, non over the top dialog during convos on the Hyperion and in missions.

And Nova sounds like a redneck? Not sure what you're listening to but she sounds nothing like a redneck.

Also, this is a campaign about the Terrans, so of course it's not going to have a ton of Protoss or Zerg style writing in it.

I'm not sure what your complaint is. The Terran campaign sounds too... Terran?

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Concerning just the Nova part... yeah I didn't really see the redneck thing, but it only took one word from her for me to hate the character... voice actiiing gaaah! ;)

Though it's funny that I probably wouldn't have noticed how mediocre some of the voice acting is if everyone wasn't talking about it. But even without focusing on that I definitely don't find the characters charismatic. Honestly I can't even point out one nice discussion or script that stands out (I haven't played BW solo in over 4 years but some stuff is still really fresh), and while I can't tell if that's from the voice acting, the script, the scenario, animations, or a bit of all of the above, I just don't find the cut-scenes immersive at all.

I love Tosh though, I haven't had the time to finish the game yet, but I can't wait to see what happens there.

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Honestly I can't even point out one nice discussion or script that stands out

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This.

I can right now recall a thousand different quotes in SC1 that are all memorable and badass.

I can pull maybe 2 or 3 cheeky and humorous quotes from Tychus or Stettman if I go back into the game and look for them in SC2.

If you're going to try to immerse your player into the dialogue, than do it right. In SC1 the dialogue script and voice acting alone were what did it for me. That's ALL I had to listen to.

Not only does SC2 fail in both aspects (except for a couple of characters), it also tries to make it more 'realistic' by having models, but fail because you just end up noticing how unrealistic they look when they talk. And you have neither the good script or the voice work to take you away from noticing either.

In SC1 I knew every portrait was just a gif file so I never even paid attention to it.