What are the chances of a ghost of defeating an unarmed marine?
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What are the chances of a ghost of defeating an unarmed marine?
This is... a joke... right...?
can the ghost expload the marines head?
With a sniper rifle, yes.
Not with psionics though, unless you're Nova or some other power ghost with telekinesis at least.
Man ghosts are just like psychic ninja!
I'd say that if both of them were unarmed the chances are 0% for the marine.
Gotta ask, when you say unarmed you mean without just their firearms, or also without any suits?
So... the Marine is unarmed but the Ghost isn't? Or are they both unarmed?
Ghost hands down.
both without weapons and with armors(the ghost with light armor"ghost suit" and marin with cmc300),no psychic attacks
ghost vs marine, unarmedQuote:
This is... a joke... right...?
Unarmed but with armor? Prepare for a long fight.
without weapons and with armors,Quote:
Unarmed but with armor? Prepare for a long fight.
well Thychus hurt a Marine
Yep I really don't know how the Ghost could damage the marine, given that the CMC is amm quite durable. But also it would be hard for the marine to take a hold on the ghost...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimera757
given that they're ninja and everything
With a rifle-butt! Or shoving a grenade into his helmet!Quote:
Originally Posted by drakolobo
Ghost can beat Marine in many ways. The easiest is this one:
1. Ghost takes out a StimPack
2. Marine approaches Ghost
3. Ghost throws StimPack into an abbys
4. Marine blindlessly follows Stim and falls to his death
Or just knifes him with psionic powers
Wasn't that a Ripper armor, and not a CMC one? I also believe when Tychus broke the visor, it was made of "low-grade plasteel." And even at that, it took him a couple of humongo-muscle assisted rifle butting to break it.Quote:
Originally Posted by drakolobo
So, a CMC suit may be more powerful than the more rudimentary patched up Ripper suit and if it has mid-grade plasteel, then Tychus probably would stand no chance of piercing the visor. :p
Ghost hands down. all they train for is combat, with knives or hands. they are the domains trained pet assassins. What makes you think a grunt can go against theses odds.
what chance does the cannon fodder stand against the assasins?
Kimera, how is it going to be a long battle in any way?
If both don't have armour, a Ghost will just kill the marine using superior close combat that he's trained a whole part of his life for.
If they both have armour, the Ghost is just going to punch through the visor.
Take a look at Orientation where even you said the Ghost was a rather weak one. He crushed a guy's face using his hand (thanks to his suit no doubt) and was able to survive getting shocked to death by electricity.
If the marine has armor, the ghost will have a hard time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Also, ghosts have specialties. Some are really good at martial arts or close-quarters combat... and some not. The one in the StarCraft comic, for instance, would simply melt the marine's brain, armor meaning nothing.
It's a bit of a ridiculous, contrived situation anyway.
Well if both have armor, the Ghost armor is supposed to be made of some psi-reactive fibers, right? Which means that he has enhanced strenght also, so maybe they can punch thru the visor anyways.
Kerrigan broke the cockpit of a Goliath with the butt of a weapon, right? If needed, the Ghost could grab a makeshift weapon, also, like a rock, or some piece of tubing.
Well Marines are so much stronger than ghosts, but ghosts are much more agile.
I was thinking only some ghosts had that, but just checked a reference... seems they all did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
Still, Sarah Kerrigan was a stronger psychic than other ghosts, so maybe she could enhance her suit more. Then again, that psychically weak ghost in Orientation was able to push through a damaged wall...
Ghosts are much more agile, but they're not weak either. As mentioned by Norfindel already, they use artificial muscle fibers powered by their PSI.Quote:
Well Marines are so much stronger than ghosts, but ghosts are much more agile.
Yes Kimera, Ghosts do specialize in their different things, but that does not mean they don't all go through the same rigorous basic training. We have no reason to suggest that some Ghosts train in martial arts while others don't while we do have evidence to show that they train in groups/classes (SC Ghost: Nova the novel).
Plus, even if the Ghost who's fighting the marine isn't trained in martial arts Norfindel is still correct in his assertion that all the Ghost has to do is take a pipe or makeshift weapon and smash it into the marine's helmet. He also has cloak, remember?
But yes, it is a silly situation as you said. Just like having an unarmed marine fighting an unarmed Zealot.
Whoa, don't mess Terrans with Protoss...A skilled Ghost (as if there were unskilled ones) can win a fight with a Marine, but your example is just utter massacreQuote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
Just imagine sticking C4 into a watermelon
lol I was referring to that other thread...
Also, my Terran bias instantly made me see that as "sticking C14 Gauss Rifle into Zealot"
Seriously there was a thread about rine vs zlot?
And "sticking C14 Gauss Rifle into Zealot" was offensive. There are Protoss dudes present.
with all this , i remenber to "ghost in the shell", matoko is as a ghost (except for metal bones )in strong and agility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WemZ...=64&playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAusw...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIf2l_UMLYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_krGuSLC7c&feature=fvsr
Don't forget that all ghost have a natural psionic abilities. what can a grunt do against a guy the can make the grunt walk off a cliff, without touching him?
im surprised so many ppl voted for the ghost, marines are physically stronger and maybe faster in pure speed but ghost being lighter and quicker can be dangerous. If the they are unarmed then I would say the marine takes it, if they are armed the ghost for sure.
I suppose Ghosts are at peak of body training even excluding their suits. I guess they won't be able to tear through walls without them, but breaking an average Marine shouldn't be much of a problem.
And if Tychus ever meets a man of same size but Ghost, he is dead.
Drakolobo, Kusanagi is a complete cyborg. She changes bodies sometimes.
Uhm... They can do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfguide
Naw, they can't. Most Ghosts are only psionic enough to power their own suits and have telepathy. You'd need telekinesis to send someone flying off a cliff, but it's been made clear that these type of Ghosts are pretty rare. We've only had 3 (I think) known cases so far, that being 1 screwed up useless Ghost in the Confederacy, Nova, and Kerrigan.Quote:
Uhm... They can do that?
I know that is a full cyborg, in fact his synthetic muscles, torn muscles as easy as natural, are only more effective, acts somo ghost costume, so the only significant ifference is the skull and bones are hard, (if you a marin crush the head of a Ghose, this burst t)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kknewkles
on the subject I believe that the marin expire, if the ghost does not get any improvised weapon
Well IIRC marine armors can be locked down by people who know how to do so. Kerrigan locked down Raynor in "Queen of Blades", but it might be a lower model. Aswell we might try to see the relevance of this book as a lore reference.
Marines probably practice for close combat as much as ghosts, unless there is some book quote that says otherwise. Ghosts would probably need to spend most of their time training their psyonics and sniping accuracy. Marines only have to practice with an automatic gun which is alot easier than sniping.
Marines are in just as good as a ghost, marines are built like football players.
Marines don't train for close combat, why would they? We've never had any instance of a typical marine using close combat fighting, ever.
Your logic is not how logic works. You don't assume something happens just because there's no evidence suggesting that it doesn't. "No books say marines don't train close combat, so they obviously train for close combat". No. They don't.
I would assume they would have similar training for close combat as the marines today, which i believe is somewhat but not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
For the sake of what? They only need to know how to operate their suits and rifles. It's Ghosts who are used as assassins.Quote:
Originally Posted by InpuBot
for the sake of self defense in case no more ammo is left
It's a waste of time. The Dominion isn't going to waste resources on a soldier who's expected life expectancy could be as short as 10 seconds on the battlefield training close combat. Teaching a marine close combat is a waste of resources because even with training they come nowhere close to being efficient compared to everything else on the field which will kill a marine once it comes close.
A marine who knows close combat has virtually no chance of killing a Zealot. A marine might be able to kill a Zergling but learning conventional CC is pointless against them because they don't even have the shape of a human. They range from giant looking snakes (Hydralisks) to Rabid Crazy Dogs (Zerglings). Anything bigger and CC shouldn't even be a factor. So if a marine were to kill a Zergling it'd probably be by crushing it in a bear hug or punching its face in. Plus, being in such bulky armour limits the agility of a marine.
This really annoys me. Nova smashes the cockpit glass of a Goliath in 1 hit. Logically, a Goliath should have stronger glass material than a marine. Tychus is huge, friggen huge. Even then, he took what, 6 smashes just to break through the Ripper armour visor? If he can't break through a normal CMC suit's visor, then there is either some really big contradictions or some extremely huge power differences between a Ghost suit and a Marine suit.Quote:
Wasn't that a Ripper armor, and not a CMC one? I also believe when Tychus broke the visor, it was made of "low-grade plasteel." And even at that, it took him a couple of humongo-muscle assisted rifle butting to break it.
So, a CMC suit may be more powerful than the more rudimentary patched up Ripper suit and if it has mid-grade plasteel, then Tychus probably would stand no chance of piercing the visor.
Don't even bring in the Protoss. How strong are THEY then? I think it's just safe to assume that there are some contradictions or at the very least inconsistencies regarding this matter. I pretty much refuse to believe that a Ghost suit would allow you to have so much more power than freaken Hydraulics, and we're not even bringing the Protoss strength into this equation.
YEAH. Just in case those ten hundred Zerglings are going to fight you with honor, one by one, with kung-fu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan13
No martial art can compete with brutal force of a CMC suit.
If only you're not Bruce Lee, of course.
You mean there are some particular feats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
CMC suit should empower humans so much that their own strength is of no value.