Just when you thought Naruto anime couldn't get any worse.

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

Guys. You've forgotten that fighting inside someone's body, while pulling out each others chakra and fighting outside is different. And don't forget that without Kushina's help Naruto would probably have lost.

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What I'm saying is, help or not, it's been done. Why repeat? There isn't too much a difference in the fight itself whether he beats it by himself or with his mom's help. What else can Kyuubi do besides whack him with his tails/claws and shoot a giant energy beam? And I must say, inside his head is crowded as hell.

Naruto fighting to beat both Madara and the Juubi will be a greater feat magnitudes over what he can hope in just fighting the Kyuubi again.

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There's nothing stronger thatn Kyuubi. The only way to defeat him in the end is to seal him. Of course there's Jubi, but unless the combination of all beasts gives an unspeakable cocktail of energy Kyuubi is the major part of its force.

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I think you're overestimating the Kyuubi. That may have been true at the start of the series, but we've been shown much more powerful beings. There's Madara who can easily control the Kyuubi, the Sage of the Six Paths who beat the Juubi, and the First Hokage who beat both Madara and the Kyuubi.

While Kyuubi is the most powerful Bijuu, there's no saying how much in magnitude it is over the others. Just because it's the strongest, doesn't make it more powerful than all other Bijuu combined. And we've seen Akatsuki easily dispatch the other Bijuu.

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Originally Posted by Kacaier

What I'm saying is, help or not, it's been done. Why repeat? There isn't too much a difference in the fight itself whether he beats it by himself or with his mom's help. What else can Kyuubi do besides whack him with his tails/claws and shoot a giant energy beam? And I must say, inside his head is crowded as hell.

Naruto fighting to beat both Madara and the Juubi will be a greater feat magnitudes over what he can hope in just fighting the Kyuubi again.

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Point taken. But considering how he almost have lost against Fox, I can't imagine him fighting Jubi + Madara. At least as of now.
Maybe he will learn crazy Uzumaki-style waterb...(wanted to write bending, hehe =) ) water techniques and make water-air-style shuriken...

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Originally Posted by Kacaier

I think you're overestimating the Kyuubi. That may have been true at the start of the series, but we've been shown much more powerful beings. There's Madara who can easily control the Kyuubi, the Sage of the Six Paths who beat the Juubi, and the First Hokage who beat both Madara and the Kyuubi.

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Say, constant regeneration and endless chakra supply... you think there are things comparable to him(aside of Jubi) in terms of raw power?
Fact that Madara easily controls Kyuubi doesn't mean that he is stronger than the Fox. Perhaps would these two fight fair and square, I mean without controlling stuff, Madara would have his ass handed to him. I'd say most likely.
And about Hashirama against Madara + Fox - we don't know the details. :D
I doubt even Hashirama would be able to beat both of them. Heck, we have next to no info on what 1st was capable of.

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Originally Posted by Kacaier

While Kyuubi is the most powerful Bijuu, there's no saying how much in magnitude it is over the others. Just because it's the strongest, doesn't make it more powerful than all other Bijuu combined. And we've seen Akatsuki easily dispatch the other Bijuu.

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Form what we've seen from other beasts power of Bijuu raises in something like exponent. First few are mockery. Then some more serious stuff. And then - monsters like 8 Tails and Fox.
Though yeah... there maybe people with insane raw power, present Raikage for example - he fought and defeated Octopus.

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

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And so did Pain, who in turn got owned by Naruto :p

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Originally Posted by Nenol-phoenix

And so did Pain, who in turn got owned by Naruto :p

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Good point!
But Fox while he has gigantic energy output has limitless amounts of it and regenerates. So this law - you can own but you can get served - doesn't apply to him at that large scale.

And about Pain getting owned by Naruto: how in frozen hell have God Realm sustain that much damage? Naruto destroyed others but Yahiko's body took damage up to million times as hard! HOWWW?! :confused:
I understand they had to make episode, but where is their conscience, let alone brains??

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

And about Pain getting owned by Naruto: how in frozen hell have God Realm sustain that much damage? Naruto destroyed others but Yahiko's body took damage up to million times as hard! HOWWW?! :confused:
I understand they had to make episode, but where is their conscience, let alone brains??

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I think we'll all have to pretend that never happened and stick to the manga storyline.
And yeah they really blew that fight out of proportion, setting aside the terrible drawing style, they took Pain's character and gave him a 180 degree turn, come on he's supposed to be the stoic, calm and powerful Big Bad. Why the hell would he be screaming at the top of his lungs MY PAIN IS GREATER THA YOURS!!! ?

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not even mentioning the fact that God realm Pain is just Yahiko's corpse, seriously, I think the people who did this chapter haven't even read the corresponding manga chapters :mad:

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Originally Posted by Nenol-phoenix

I think we'll all have to pretend that never happened and stick to the manga storyline.

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Happened? What happened? What do you mean?
Already on it :D

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Originally Posted by Nenol-phoenix

And yeah they really blew that fight out of proportion, setting aside the terrible drawing style, they took Pain's character and gave him a 180 degree turn, come on he's supposed to be the stoic, calm and powerful Big Bad.
Why the hell would he be screaming at the top of his lungs MY PAIN IS GREATER THA YOURS!!! ?

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

Pain: MY PAIN IS GREATER THAN YOURS!!!
Tails, after pummeling him into the ground with a freaking ROCK: I bet it is.

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Sorry, couldn't hold myself :D

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Originally Posted by Nenol-phoenix

And yeah they really blew that fight out of
not even mentioning the fact that God realm Pain is just Yahiko's corpse, seriously, I think the people who did this chapter haven't even read the corresponding manga chapters :mad:

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Didn't get this part, to be honest. If you mean what I think, hothing kept another bodies, aside from being vulnerable to Naruto(normally vulnerable), to kick much butt pretty much out of everyone.
But God Realm is freaking Hulk.

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

Say, constant regeneration and endless chakra supply... you think there are things comparable to him(aside of Jubi) in terms of raw power?

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Even with raw power, that's not everything. Naruto isn't DBZ in the sense that the guy with a higher power level wins. It's more about the techniques and their usage. Kyuubi embodies raw power. That's nice, but that's a one trick card that Naruto beat. Right now, Naruto only uses Kyuubi's chakra as a power-up. Kyuubi is down and gone.

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And about Hashirama against Madara + Fox - we don't know the details. :D
I doubt even Hashirama would be able to beat both of them. Heck, we have next to no info on what 1st was capable of.

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Well, we can speculate, but that's what's taken at face value. We'll have to hear it from Madara on his take of the account. But let's face it, they were both beaten either ways. :p

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Form what we've seen from other beasts power of Bijuu raises in something like exponent. First few are mockery. Then some more serious stuff. And then - monsters like 8 Tails and Fox.

...I've just remembered one thing: if Fox is not such a big deal, how come he owned(let's face it) the whole Konoha?...

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All bijuu are probably capable of taking down villages by themselves. Shukaku was pretty powerful in itself and I bet could take down Sunagakure. The exponential differences are entirely speculative. I don't think Kyuubi is that much more magnificent that than Ichibi.

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

Didn't get this part, to be honest. If you mean what I think, hothing kept another bodies, aside from being vulnerable to Naruto(normally vulnerable), to kick much butt pretty much out of everyone.
But God Realm is freaking Hulk.

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:p Nah I wasn't refering to the ass-kicking capabilities or their resistance to being *ehem* hammered into the gorund :rolleyes:.
I was refering to the fact that you don't expect a corpse to make all those weird facial expressions and be screaming hhhiiiiyaaayaaaaaaaaaaa at the top of its lungs, given that... well.. it's a corpse.. you know :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nenol-phoenix

:p Nah I wasn't refering to the ass-kicking capabilities or their resistance to being *ehem* hammered into the gorund :rolleyes:.
I was refering to the fact that you don't expect a corpse to make all those weird facial expressions and be screaming hhhiiiiyaaayaaaaaaaaaaa at the top of its lungs, given that... well.. it's a corpse.. you know :rolleyes:

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Even though Naruto sometimes f*cks any common sense, I wouldn't think it's entirely impossible. I'm sure Nagato can control any muscle of body.
Bot for PAIN to scream like that - that's something.

Seriously, we should forget this black hole of idiocy ASAP. :D

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I think that one of the things that we're learning a lot about in these chapters is how the environment INSIDE a seal works. We've seen that the Sharingan allow Madara & Sasuke to see inside the seal, where only Naruto is typically able to venture, thus allowing them to directly maniulate things within that environment (Sasuke blowing back Kyuubi's chakra, and Madara releasing him from Kushina's seal).

I think that Naruto understanding more about his seal, and how it was put together, as well as the events surrounding it's creation will help him, especially now when he's coming back up against those forces. I think that Naruto also knowing ANYthing additional about Madara is good for him for the same reasons.

I think that we'll really get to see what the capabilities of Kyuubi and Madara were when they attacked the villiage, and get a feel for how powerful they both are in the next chapters. 4 tails was fairly devastating when blowing through Orochimaru's barriers and such, and 6 tails' capability was still only up to 2/3 or Kyuubi's potential. 8 tails is really strong, but we don't really see it in scale with anything else, so it's tougher to measure, so this will be really neat. There might also be an explanation for why the current Madara has a "shadow of his former power" from what happens in his battle with the 4th.

I dunno, I've always been a fan of backstory arcs, and this is no exception.


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XSoldier, I'm with you. :)

But please, next time when you make SPOILAZ ALERTZ - hide them so people wouldn't be afraid to read supposed spoiler while they're trying to read spoiler of what is it.

I've watched a few episodes of Naruto. Well I've seen the first season then I stopped watching, but I've tried making sense out of everything here but it really seems that the writers of this show just make it up as they go along. You guys seem pretty interested in it. You know all the back story and lore, when chances are there is nothing more to it then there really is because it's all made up on the spot. I really don't get the interest into anime. If only it took it's self more serious. I like anime, but I hate how every show has to be so... I'm not sure of the word. The main problem I have with anime is the over dramatic emotions all the time. It really breaks the episode when it closes up on some stupid face with their eyes in some handicapped position. But it's a shame to see Naruto go so far down hill. I actually enjoyed it. :( Well up to like the 3rd season. Somewhere in the middle of the second season it started loosing it's charm for me. But the one episode in the first season where the man on the bridge kills all those union workers and then there boss. That was probably the best part of any anime I've seen. That was bad ass! Oh and when Naruto turned himself into the throwing star . That was kinda clever. Haha. I just don't see why people love anime shows so much when it all seems to be just made up on the spot information in the most horribly random way possible.

Ah, Zabuza, one of the 7 Swordsmen. It's a shame he got pwned. I actually really liked him, and Haku, the girly boy with the ice mirrors.

Warsaw. SCREW the anime. Go and read manga.

Pandonetho, yeah, in manga though Zabuza felt much more menacing.
You guys now that while in anime Zabuza only pushes that boss guy off the bridge in manga he cuts his head off? :)

Just so we are clear by the way, if Naruto is ever fighting the Jyuubi that means he doesnt have the Kyuubi. If Naruto does get the Jyuubi i assume it's because either

a) Madara doesnt know how to use it properly or got the seal wrong
b) Naruto tricked Madara's ass and auto-seals the Jyuubi because he let the kyuubi out and let it merge, allowing the seal and control to carry over (this would be rediculously smart and i dont think they have that much brains).

Right now Naruto's biggest weakness remains to be the Sharingan's ability to mindfuck him and the Kyuubi. Counters? Naruto may be powerful but he still has no counter for it, Itachi at most gave him a sharingan power or unlocked something. Doesnt Naruto supposedly have some kind of eye technique because of the Whirlpool country? Basic Main Character Law's dictate he have an uber eye-technique to make other eye techniques look lame.

Something more powerful than Rinnegan? Hmm... let's see...
Jubigan!!! :D

http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/1007/e4/9932588ec7b9.jpg


But seriously, I think that would Naruto get some badass-gun - it would be a big bad cliche. It will be awful.
When I wasn't into Naruto so much and when I heard about rasengan from my otaku buddies(yeah I know some thogu haven't seen them for aeons. But I've acted at an anime festival for a bit!!!) I thought "EH?? NAruto got himself an eye-technique? Hmmm... <_<"

i guarantee you, naruto will get one haha

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

While you think CG might be bad... can we agree that Avatar: The Last Airbender (cartoon) was awesome?

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While I KNOW that Code Geass (It's a show about Terrorism!) is bad, I haven't seen A:TLA, and I don't really think I will. If you can tell me what you like about it, and what you like about Code Geass, I'll tell you if I'll get around to watching it.

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Originally Posted by Kknewkles

Warsaw. SCREW the anime. Go and read manga.

Pandonetho, yeah, in manga though Zabuza felt much more menacing.
You guys now that while in anime Zabuza only pushes that boss guy off the bridge in manga he cuts his head off? :)

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You are completely right my friend :p
Yeah most of the times a series' charm is lost in its transition from manga to anime.
The main problem when going anime is the censorship, which gets worse when the series gets to another country. Don't even get me started with 4Kids, they completely butchered One Piece in the US.
And I don't think writers make everything on the spot, some series do *cough* Bleach *cough* but not all. Some even take the care to place the entire story from the start (Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni is a clear example).

Watch Gundam 00 in Japanese if you can, great anime it deals with a realistic future or earth in a hundred years.

Its not drama heavy it has a meaning to it like Gudam Wing

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While I KNOW that Code Geass (It's a show about Terrorism!) is bad, I haven't seen A:TLA, and I don't really think I will. If you can tell me what you like about it, and what you like about Code Geass, I'll tell you if I'll get around to watching it.

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What's so bad about terrorism? It's really all depending on what angle you're looking at it from. Pretty much like poor ol Jimmy, do you consider him a terrorist, or a freedom fighter? That's what CG is. I think the plot is good but that's just my opinion, and the ending surprised me as well.

As for the last air bender, the fight scenes are great, the acting is amazing, and the character development is well done. It also has an ample amount of good humor as well as scenes that are emotionally driving. A big part of it is about friendship really, and the hardships that these friends go through to save the world. I like the originality of how they use the elements to combat each other. The plot isn't that deep, pretty much the Avatar just has to learn the 4 elements to stop the firelord before he takes over the world on a certain date. But that's just how it is, things happen to the protagonists on a daily basis and they just deal with it as life passes.

yeah as the show went on the fights got more and more intense. Although, i feel that they dropped the ball with Aang, he doesnt become a serious fighter until the end.

Ehh, I feel Avatar had poor characters. Aang was two dimensional, Katara was..., Sokka was almost useless and was devoted entirely to comedic relief, and Zuko was pretty emo. Although he definitely doesn't reach Sasuke levels, but that's nothing to be proud of. :p

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Ehh, I feel Avatar had poor characters. Aang was two dimensional, Katara was..., Sokka was almost useless and was devoted entirely to comedic relief, and Zuko was pretty emo. Although he definitely doesn't reach Sasuke levels, but that's nothing to be proud of.

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Really? I felt like they developed pretty well, their opinions constantly changing about different things as they learn throughout the series. And Sokka became useful at least after he learned how to use a sword. If there's one thing that's important, it's that he didn't get in the way, like every other anime character. Sakura I can say is a POS character and I couldn't be more happy if she died. Zuko was emo but that's his character, he constantly struggled with what he thought was right but afterward when he joined the Avatar he became a much less emo/angry person.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

Really? I felt like they developed pretty well, their opinions constantly changing about different things as they learn throughout the series.

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The real changes happened mainly in the third "book" and thus nearing the end of the series. But that's worthless, because there's little build up to it. It makes watching it for the last book tedious, in my opinion. I'm not saying the series was bad. I think it had a great background and setting. The characters were the main detractors and could have largely been improve upon.

The only characters I really liked were Toph and Iroh.

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

What's so bad about terrorism? It's really all depending on what angle you're looking at it from. Pretty much like poor ol Jimmy, do you consider him a terrorist, or a freedom fighter? That's what CG is. I think the plot is good but that's just my opinion, and the ending surprised me as well.

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"Code Geass. It's a show about terrorism."
Or... not.

Terrorism is attacking a civilian populous in order to strike terror into the hearts of the people, to affect political change.

Lelouch ruled that out in one of the early episodes. "We don't take hostages. Now KILL YOURSELVES!"

That's just 'freedom fighting', and to tell the truth...
I was rooting for the Britanians. Harsh? No, realistic. The Britanians were idiots. The only tactic they seemed to know was "OMFG ZERGRUSH LOLLERSKAETS!", their idea of "flanking" (applies to the resistance too, or whatever they called themselves) was "Rush the last known enemy position, stop right where they were standing, and wonder where they went."

If the Elevens got conquered by a race that stupid, they deserved the slums. They deserved the name "Elevens". It's called "Natural Selection".

The sheer number of idiot balls that were bounced off the Britanians made it so that I started skimming through the fight scenes, knowing that Lelouch would win because THE BRITANIANS ARE BUILDING MECHA FOR HIM THAT ARE IMMUNE TO BULLETS, BUT NOT SWORDS?! I MEAN, DID COMMON FRICKIN' SENSE GET GEASSED HERE?!

So, apparently, Lelouch is a tactical genius, right?
BULL! FREAKIN'! CRAP!

The whole EXTENT of his successes HINGED on the Britanians being dumb as rocks. When he wasn't pulling magnitude eleven deus ex machinas out of his puckered rear. Yes, I AM thinking of that "Earthquake management system" he used in the final battle.

In the same battle, he also shows his tactical prowess by taking out an entire FLEET of gunships.

1. Turn the giant mech's PWNZER cannons on.
2. Sweep to the left.
3. Sweep to the right.
4. Look at all the pretty explosions

For a show where the fans keep talking about the chess motif and the "arms race" subplot, there really isn't much there.

There were plot points I liked, such as how the guy they rescued on the mountain won the only battle against Britannia (Because his troops were at the base, sober, and had sidearms nearby, I imagine) only to hold back post-war Japanese insurrectionists, because they thought of his victory as a "Miracle". Or the drug that Britannia was using to keep the Elevens docile, how it brought back their old memories. Or the episodes that featured Mao. Or how Lelouch wasn't fighting for Area 11, but wanted revenge for his mummy getting shot, and the insurrectionists were a tool.

Unfortunately, he found the access prompt to life early in the series, and typed in "God Mode". The only person who ever REALLY did him any damage was Mao, and when Mao was gone for good, the series regressed into "Look at our smart young protagonist outwitting those silly little Brits".

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Originally Posted by Pandonetho

As for the last air bender, the fight scenes are great, the acting is amazing, and the character development is well done. It also has an ample amount of good humor as well as scenes that are emotionally driving. A big part of it is about friendship really, and the hardships that these friends go through to save the world. I like the originality of how they use the elements to combat each other. The plot isn't that deep, pretty much the Avatar just has to learn the 4 elements to stop the firelord before he takes over the world on a certain date. But that's just how it is, things happen to the protagonists on a daily basis and they just deal with it as life passes.

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So...
Would you say that the fight scenes are 'Great' in Code Geass as well?

Naw, I wouldn't say the fight scenes are good in CG. I'm not a fan of gundam fight scenes except for the original Gundam Wing. And plu, CG wasn't meant to be an action anime in the first place.

But meh, to each their own.

Geass has it's intelligent moments, and it's stupid moments. Overall, it's pretty good.
One good part i liked is (spoilers):

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when he defeats the guy that could read minds, by confusing him with a recording, and a bunch of people

Still, it's unrealistic how easily people switches sides, and some situations are quite ridiculous.