Lan 100% Confirmed For Televised Korean Tournaments

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"Yes, yes! I can smell the return on investment already! 2$ Day passes for StarCraft 2. Monetized LAN. Next, StarCraft LAND IN KOREA!! YESSSS!!!!!!!"



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"Guys, don't worry. We've listened to the community and we're putting the comments into consideration. But I'm with Bobby on this one, I want my own StarCraft jet"



I am not surprised at this. Acti Blizz's actions on SC2 have been strictly motivated from DRM and monetization. That 2$ pass is hilarious, it's basically 100% revenue. You know the return on a game is less than 5$ USD on launch? This doesn't apply to AAA Titles because they make break-even in a day (Modern Warfare 2). So can you imagine people on an international flight in Korea? Pay 2$ and you get StarCraft access. LMAO.

But you know what, this will continue on and simply get "Worse". There is a market for 25$ WoW mounts, there is a market for 15$ Map Packs, there is a market for 2$ day passes on SC2. Get over it guys. Yes LAN is still gone but essentially nothing has changed, and this is exclusive to Korea.
This might look like 'pure evil' in some people's eyes, but offering different price points in a different economic setting is a no brainer. I'm sure there are some broke ass students in Korea who cannot muster 70$USD to pay for a freaking video game. Even if they pulled this in America...the majority of us would simply buy the 59$ Copy....End of Story.


P.S. Archer of Aiur, are you trying to get a job with Fox News? You have very misleading thread titles, sometimes they are 'true' (And only in the up most literal sense) but you sure do take the Fox News spin on everything. LAN is hardly 100% confirmed, it's only on Televised SC2 tournaments. That isn't the traditional method of LAN. Most people's conceptions of LAN is that they can sit down together and play a LAN game. This is more like an extreme exception. But don't worry, we all know your posts are "Fair and Balanced".
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I've compared Archer to Fox many, many times.

You just wait till I get my chalk board.

*NO SUBSCRIPTION FEES FOR N.A.
*ALL THE ABOVE ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE FOR KOREAN'S AND TAIWANESE FOR NOW.
*YOU DON'T BUY THE PRO VERSION UNLESS YOU'RE ORGANIZING TOURNAMENTS OR ARE A PRO-GAMER.

This should about cover it.:cool:

$2 here is probably more like $5-$10 there. $70 divided by $2, that's about 35 days worth of sc2, without campaign.

It's a over-priced carnival ride if you ask me. But if there is a market for it then..

E-sport's needs to turn to advertising sponsorship from corporations to fuel it's fire,
instead of feeding off the masses.

Starcraft2 Professional Edition will be available worldwide I am fairly sure.. and if a cyber-cafe in san jose, CA wants to charge you $2 (hah, more like $10) to play sc2 on their comps all day, so be it.

Whine whine whine. That's all some of you whiners do. Many of you sound like younger siblings. "Why can he stay up longer, when I have to go to bed?! Waaaah! WAAAAH!".

Damnit, get a grain of reason into your heads. It's like the game will be unplayable because they excluded LAN. Blizzard will be still iterating on Battle.net for many many years from now. The chances of us not seeing some kind of pseudo-lan a year or so after The Legacy Of The Void is, in my eyes, slim. If you have a stable Internet connection, the only time you can't play StarCraft II is during maintenance. Other than that you can play all the time, with everyone else that has a stable Internet connection.

Now quit the whine, and post something constructive.

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Originally Posted by InpuBot

They are starting with only taiwan and Korea and are going to give it out to other places once they see necessary.

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Yes, Maybe I will have super powers in 30 years, I should be very happy with it, I'm a mindless robot that can't think for himself and I'm being controlled.

Come on, give me a break, give your self a boost and stop talking BS.

Maybe, than, after, future, probably, why you spitting these words? Are you in touch with reality here?

There is nothing at launch, no lan, no chat, no cross-servers, no privacy, shitty custom search and replay search, shitty and restrictive map uploading features, crazy TOS that doesn't care a bit about customer rights and makes blizzard own our lives and so on...

Why are you so happy about everything we DIDN'T GET???????

Why is it you are so happy they removed features that were available 12 years ago?

Why do you insist they are going to happen when they haven't happen already? Who guarantees you "some" features will be added and that they will be like the public wants them?

The simple and pure FACT is that they REMOVED features bnet 1 had from 12 years ago, removed all privacy, made bent 2.0 easy for future monetization, made it legally sound for them to steal your hard work map and introduced cheap, eyes filling privacy trashing facebook integration!!!!

What more do you want? For Blizzard to state in their TOS that they can take your house and all income for the rest of your life if you purchase their game and knowing that none of us actually don't read that stuff we are going to be giving our lifes to blizzard and maybe some will like it .

!!!!!! GET REAL !!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

The chances of us not seeing some kind of pseudo-lan a year or so after The Legacy Of The Void is, in my eyes, slim.

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Blizzard has said they arnt doing pseudo lan.

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If you have a stable Internet connection, the only time you can't play StarCraft II is during maintenance. Other than that you can play all the time, with everyone else that has a stable Internet connection.

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Unless you go to a college that blocks that kind of thing.



Also it really is humorous looking at all the "maybe" "probably" "theyll fix it someday" mentality even when Blizzard has blatently stated they wont. Also to my knowlege there has been no information pointing to this pro edition ever being outside korea so people stating matter of factly that it will be are also pipe dreaming.

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

Blizzard has said they arnt doing pseudo lan.



Unless you go to a college that blocks that kind of thing.



Also it really is humorous looking at all the "maybe" "probably" "theyll fix it someday" mentality even when Blizzard has blatently stated they wont. Also to my knowlege there has been no information pointing to this pro edition ever being outside korea so people stating matter of factly that it will be are also pipe dreaming.

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They only stated that they aren't planning it _right now_. Which is not the same as stating that they will never do it.

If they block that kind of thing on a college, maybe there's a reason for it?

For the first time ever, I agree with SlickR.

Of course, I'm far more eloquent than he.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

I don't live in Korea or Mexico. As far as I've seen, I don't have to pay anything additionally beyond buying the game itself. I also think LAN is only appropriate for major televised tournaments, and unnecessary elsewhere.

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Yeah...I have to agree. I'm personally never going to use LAN...so it has never been a sore subject for me.

I am inclined however to agree with past posts that this favoring of S. Korea is kind of irritating. Everyone or no one in my book.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

They only stated that they aren't planning it _right now_. Which is not the same as stating that they will never do it.

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LOL this line of thought reminds me of

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If they block that kind of thing on a college, maybe there's a reason for it?

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Oh nice your trying to shift the blame for Blizzard not providing LAN support on to colleges.

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

Oh nice your trying to shift the blame for Blizzard not providing LAN support on to colleges.

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Archer... piracy at colleges and university lan parties? That's a fact that's where it happens. The thing is Blizzard conceives it happening too much at those locations, but I'm not pinpointing any particular source - just one of them - for piracy, that is. That may be one of the reasons for Dauntless' approach. I'm just saying.

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Originally Posted by protoswarrior

Archer... piracy at colleges and university lan parties? That's a fact that's where it happens. The thing is Blizzard conceives it happening too much at those locations, but I'm not pinpointing any particular source - just one of them - for piracy, that is. That may be one of the reasons for Dauntless' approach. I'm just saying.

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What happened to "we want to promote pirates to buy our game by offering them more compelling experience with the original game"?

How is it no LAN helping blizzard make pirates actually want to buy the original game, rather than downloading it illegally and playing lan with a crack? HUH?
Where is your logic here?

WTH are you people even talking about, going on defending blizzard for reducing your experience?

I won't use LAN ever in SC2 or in any other game, because I'm all over it and I only used it when younger, but why not have the ability with a 20 years old technology, if i give a damn to be able to play LAN????? WHY OH WHY?

Why are you people doing this?
Its like stealing from yourself. WT*?

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Originally Posted by protoswarrior

Archer... piracy at colleges and university lan parties? That's a fact that's where it happens. The thing is Blizzard conceives it happening too much at those locations, but I'm not pinpointing any particular source - just one of them - for piracy, that is. That may be one of the reasons for Dauntless' approach. I'm just saying.

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Yes yes piracy profits "its a business" weve heard all that before. However Id rather talk about the quality of the gameplay experience rather than the quantity of Activisonblizzard's stock index. If Blizzard says "Hey look this new battlenet is so good you wouldnt want to have LAN!" Im going to tell them they are wrong and why.

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Originally Posted by SinsWage

This is the most well thought out post I've seen on the subject. THIS makes me upset that we don't have LAN. This post brings it home without a bunch of whining and vilifying.

These are real reasons and I hope you are sharing this thought process and argument on the official forums.

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I... I don't have an account on the official forums, since I lost my CD Key ^^
I wouldn't mind someone else posting it for me though.

This is not news. Who honestly didn't see LAN for pro tournaments coming?

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

Stuff like this drives me absolutely nuts. This "LAN edition" is 100 % because of the community bitching. You think they had this planned? Hell no. Now, I'm going to get to read posts like this all the time, because for some reason people can't just be happy. Ever. EVERRRRRRRRRR AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Yeah, but WE also wanted to be able to use LAN. What if me and my friends organize and unofficial tournament? We can't do that now! All tournaments are now only official! And, as a bonus to that, they want to make us pay if we want to organize tournaments, so that it'll use the new BNet 2.0 tournament feature.

Why is this necessary? WarCraft III had LAN and lots of people still play it online.

As a response to this, I'm afraid Blizzard will hurt their sales. Some people will just wait for the leaked version of the Tournament edition and download that.

Meh who cares. At this point, Bobby Kotick and Mike Morhaime have us by the balls. Just wait for the pirates. The Pro Edition will get leaked out if they mass produce it any CD Factory. Someone will just make a copy right there and smuggle the image out.
He'll bit torrent it out and someone will just rip the netcode or crack the pro edition.
If they can crack/emulate WoW, a puny RTS game with generic net code is mere peanuts.



I don't know what's all the fuss about for the pricing though. All this korean stuff is....for korea. A completely different country with a currency rate at

1.00 USD = 1,215.02 KRW
South Korean minimium wage : 4,110 South Korean won per hour
So that's 3.82$USD/Hour.
Minimium wage here in Calgary, Canada is about 8.50$USD/Hour.
People at the GAP or a mall make about 9$USD/hour in Canada.
So a Canadian works 6 hours or so for SC2...a Korean works 15 Hours for his copy of SC2. That's basically two shifts.
And for people who are unaware, food and services are usually in scale in the respective countries. A Big Mac is around 1.90$USD in Asia, it's 3.50$+ in USA, 3.99$ In Canada. But these import items don't scale with their currency, that's why it is also a big deal for them to suddenly blow 70$USD on a video game.

Considering it's expensive/impractical owning a PC, and the PC Bangs (PC cafes) are so popular there....maybe they will actually like the subscription service, etc there.
People have different cultures <GASP> . In North America, people buy their phones on contract and lock themselves into years....outside..people BUY out their phones. Buying an unlocked GSM for 599$USD is the norm in most countries outside of North America. So..GASP! This subscription service might APPEAL to that specific market.
Samething here...Canada doesn't have SuperSize options at our McDonalds (Our Supersize is just LARGE in America) ....same deal..

If you're waiting for LAN, grow up. You no longer live in 1998. That's all.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

If you're waiting for LAN, grow up. You no longer live in 1998. That's all.

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Great attitude.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

If you're waiting for LAN, grow up. You no longer live in 1998. That's all.

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People still play LAN StarCraft TODAY. And up until late last year, all LAN-capable games had LAN.

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Originally Posted by hyde

People have different cultures <GASP> . In North America, people buy their phones on contract and lock themselves into years....outside..people BUY out their phones. Buying an unlocked GSM for 599$USD is the norm in most countries outside of North America. So..GASP! This subscription service might APPEAL to that specific market.

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This is something I hate with phone services here. I am stuck with a contract for 2-3 years if I get a new phone. But perhaps it might also be because people used to switch providers all the time when a provider changed its features and people switched cell phones every 3 months, causing cell phones to get thrown away and accumulate, thus polluting the environment.

But even then, I don't like how phones here work on contract. I'm still personally going to get an iPhone 4 anyway when it's out over here, even if my contract's not over. I don't really care, I'm just gonna give away my iPhone 3G to a friend or sell it on ebay or something.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

If you're waiting for LAN, grow up. You no longer live in 1998. That's all.

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Saharadrac, this was pretty obnoxious....are you implying people who like attend LAN events need to "grow up"? That the proper mode of online gaming is by yourself in a room? You might as well follow that up with people who watch esports need to get "get a life".

If your not referring to wanting to attend LAN, but rather the actual availability of LAN, and how we shouldn't expect that in 2010 thats equally lulzy considering every single PC multiplayer game save MW2 (lol) released recently had lan capabilities. Are you implying we should lose functionality as times progress?

For me, removing LAN is like removing your cellphone's clock. Yeah, you don't really need it, you can just buy a watch... but why not include it if you can? The iPhone has 200,000 friggin apps for a reason.

They don't want to look like idiots in the case internet connection goes out during a televised tournament. They don't give a shit about normal lanparties.

@SlickR: Once is fine. Twice is still okay. But, now you're getting into the border line ridiculous with how much you misunderstood the OP.

1) Battle.net IS free-to-play. You just have the extra option of not buying the retail product and just paying for the time you use. This is great for those who aren't sure if they want to make StarCraft a long term thing. Such a model is extremely effective in Asian countries. In fact, I'd be willing to bet they'd be outraged if this wasn't an option.

2) You do not have to pay for LAN. In fact, LAN is not an option for you. Therefore, you aren't paying 200$ for a feature that was invented 20 years ago for this simple reason.

Who doesn't read OPs? WHO?

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

For me, removing LAN is like removing your cellphone's clock.

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This would only be relevant if adding this feature ramped up piracy among other countries and cost the manufacturer tons and tons of money. Blizzard was right in removing LAN. I'm glad they did. Obviously, LAN will be put into StarCraft 2 through emulating servers or offline hacks. Once we have that, we have nothing to have lost but Blizzard will have gained the right to enforce against piracy and spawned copies.

Quite simple. I'm soooo tried of repeating this :(

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Originally Posted by newcomplex

That the proper mode of online gaming is by yourself in a room?

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Or you could, you know, online game with other people in a room. Nothing's stopping you from doing this. The only difference between Battle.net and LAN is that you need an online connection. Latency and everything else is supposedly removed when the game no longer requires you to connect to Battle.net during the game.

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Originally Posted by SlickR

Why are you people doing this?
Its like stealing from yourself. WT*?

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Blizzard could remove battle.net 2 all-together, but as long as you pay for the game and decide that the entertainment value you will get out of it is good enough to not return it to the store, then it's more than a fair deal for you. The only way it could be considered "stealing from yourself" is if you're too stupid to decide whether a game is worth your money.

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Originally Posted by SlickR

The simple and pure FACT is that they REMOVED features bnet 1 had from 12 years ago

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The features were never programmed in, and therefore were not "removed". Half the things people claim were removed will be put into a future patch or expansion. Tell me what's better:
1) Pushing back the release date so that these features can be added.
2) Getting to play the game and just letting Blizzard add these features when they normally would have anyway.

SlickR is either not taking the time to read correctly or is so blinded by anger that he can't help but misinterpret :D

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Originally Posted by SlickR

What happened to "we want to promote pirates to buy our game by offering them more compelling experience with the original game"?

How is it no LAN helping blizzard make pirates actually want to buy the original game, rather than downloading it illegally and playing lan with a crack? HUH?
Where is your logic here?

WTH are you people even talking about, going on defending blizzard for reducing your experience?

I won't use LAN ever in SC2 or in any other game, because I'm all over it and I only used it when younger, but why not have the ability with a 20 years old technology, if i give a damn to be able to play LAN????? WHY OH WHY?

Why are you people doing this?
Its like stealing from yourself. WT*?

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this is what I exactly thought about
are people that blind that they don't see that we are given things that should be for free and for everyone?
if people agree to buy mounts for fucking 25$ than it doesn't stop them to sell things like that in StarCraft 2!! For Fucks Sakes people, if they will see that we buy such crap from them they will sell even the ability to add friends in the future

defenders say "why bitch about that, why bitch about this?" well I say
why they removed all the features that SC1 had and gave other retarded things that are not needed in the game?
why they sell things that were within the content of the game at the release?
why the monetize things like LAN and only for pro-gamers?
because they fight with fucking pirates? this is the damn 21 century, there is no way you can fight them...well unless you designed the software for PS3
but that is the only exception, the fact is that Blizzard even pisted more some groups of fans that declare that they will pirate the game

and PW you think that I see only negative things and I am unreasonable, well I will tell you something, I'd rather be pessimistic and be surprised in a positive way than the other way around!
we either agree to buy games that have everything games had in the past years for free, or we want to get milked from money

again if you guys agree to pay for things like that even a god damn cent, fine, I'd rather stick to games that allow me to play for free
the damn LAN feature is just the begining, there is no telling what they will do after the release and don't tell me that they won't cause then it will be the same thing I am doing right now: speculation, yet my speculation sounds the alarm in a gamer's brain

@Gradius
I'd rather have the release pushed for the next few months than buying a pig in a poke, that is why I am not buying the game within the release, I will wait and see what they will do to save their sales and good name

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

2) You do not have to pay for LAN. In fact, LAN is not an option for you. Therefore, you aren't paying 200$ for a feature that was invented 20 years ago for this simple reason.

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tell me why, tell me a one good reason why they removed the freaking LAN? and I will shut my mouth till the release

I never said you couldnt go to LANs. Your LAN just needs the GOD DAMNED INTERNET, which if you aren't a caveman SHOULDNT BE A PROBLEM.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

I never said you couldnt go to LANs. Your LAN just needs the GOD DAMNED INTERNET, which if you aren't a caveman SHOULDNT BE A PROBLEM.

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if the latency was lan-like I wouldn't complain at all
it is not lan-like latency so that is why I bitch my mouth out screaming

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

Great attitude.

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Says the master of whine.

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

LOL this line of thought reminds me of

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Hah. Yeah, that's exactly what I said >_>
So saying that I think something specific will happen in the future, is like saying there's a god? Great logic there.

And for the record, I'm as far from religious as you can get.

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Oh nice your trying to shift the blame for Blizzard not providing LAN support on to colleges.

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I don't blame Blizzard for not adding LAN. LAN means hamachi servers and other third party clients. Which means people doesn't have to use Battle.net. Which means the game will be pirated. A lot.

A minority might miss LAN. I won't, because I realize the bigger scope of things. You have proven, time and time again, that you don't.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

This would only be relevant if adding this feature ramped up piracy among other countries and cost the manufacturer tons and tons of money. Blizzard was right in removing LAN. I'm glad they did. Obviously, LAN will be put into StarCraft 2 through emulating servers or offline hacks. Once we have that, we have nothing to have lost but Blizzard will have gained the right to enforce against piracy and spawned copies.

Quite simple. I'm soooo tried of repeating this :(

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I just don't see the point in tempting pirates. We all know its going to be pirated, so just start with it and retain your reputation. Give people a reason to buy it fairly, give them a solid game with a solid community foundation, and they won't feel the need to pirate it. Its not like you're giving the guns to the terrorists because they're going to get them anyway. Its LAN for fucks sake.

As backwards as it sounds, keeping stuff from battle.net 1 wouldn't have delayed battle.net 2 nearly as long as what they did by removing it then trying to put it back in later.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

. Which means people doesn't have to use Battle.net. Which means the game will be pirated. A lot.
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which means that the game will be pirated either way...

as much as I always liked to support game developers by buying their games if they fit me, this time (if they won't improve the battle.net features much or add more retarded things for money) I will be happy if the game will be pirated as hell

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Originally Posted by spychi

which means that the game will be pirated either way...

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Not the multiplayer. Maybe the single player, but the single player doesn't have unlimited playtime anyway.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

I never said you couldnt go to LANs. Your LAN just needs the GOD DAMNED INTERNET, which if you aren't a caveman SHOULDNT BE A PROBLEM.

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Quoted for truth!

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Originally Posted by spychi

if the latency was lan-like I wouldn't complain at all
it is not lan-like latency so that is why I bitch my mouth out screaming

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So if Blizzard adds pseudo-lan, everyone is fine with it. Right? Or will people still bitch about something anyway? Yeah.. that sounds more likely.

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Originally Posted by killermofo

$2 here is probably more like $5-$10 there.

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Joke? $2 is $2. If they were talking about their own currency they would've used won. The price is about 2400 won. 2$ is the translation, I guess you could say, so that you could understand it.

You have an avatar of a bill. You should know these things :D

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Originally Posted by spychi

if the latency was lan-like I wouldn't complain at all
it is not lan-like latency so that is why I bitch my mouth out screaming

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Chances are it will be. So stop getting yourself worked up other nothing.

Dauntless can you explain how having the retail version of SC2 be inferior to the pirated version discourages piracy?

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Not the multiplayer. Maybe the single player, but the single player doesn't have unlimited playtime anyway.

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oh really? and how do you know that? battle.net 0.0000002 is unbeatable? I put my money that crackers will do their job within a month after the release

I just hope that everyone who tries to defend Blizzard will be right, so that I will go and buy the game with a smile on my face
or we are screwed

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

For me, removing LAN is like removing your cellphone's clock. Yeah, you don't really need it, you can just buy a watch... but why not include it if you can? The iPhone has 200,000 friggin apps for a reason.

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More like buying a wristwatch with no second hand. Yah it will tell you the time. Just not as well and you might lag by a minute.




Oh and also you cant check your wristwatch on Tuesday mornings :p

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Originally Posted by ArcherofAiur

Dauntless can you explain how having the retail version of SC2 be inferior to the pirated version discourages piracy?

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A one, two a herp a derp?