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Limb tying to make sure you keep your legs together when marchingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pandonetho
That metal bracelet in one of the pictures has a prong that extends to the clothes to keep a proper arm distance
The ropes are obviously for proper march steps
The pins into the neck keep their neck straight and chins up
One of the pictures also shows them with their hats upside down to balance those as well
Impressive discipline, but I am most certainly happy at home in the US of A.
On Topic :Too bad China doesn't have the ICBM (last time I checked anyways) to send their Nuclear arsenal across the globe, or some surprise sex with nuclear subs docked around the eastern North American Seaboard.
It definitely looks impressive, but in the day of Predator Drones, Nukes, Robotic Drones, and soon militarization of space is today and tomorrow.
Tanks are already more or less obsolete.
On a side note...
So much fracking money spent on useless things like armed forces and etc...I feel like nothings changed since elementary recess time. Just instead of the dickhead trying to control the largest structure on the playground, its just random political leaders trying to wrestle out control in regions and play/mess with resources. I grew up liking jets and really wanted to pursue a full time career in the Air Force (Yeah I didn't know how crap ass the Canadian air force was at the time....and ironically all my models/etc were USAF planes haha...) but now they're totally pointless.
Like that F-22...yah its definitely badass (And wasn't it CANNED...) but the money could be spent into better things...like improving living conditions for humans.
Well, if the UN weren't a bad joke, you wouldn't need to invest that much money on armies, because you would be punished for doing something like attacking another country without any justification.
Right now, people don't press the button because others can do the same. No need to say, this isn't a reasonable way to run the world.
Ahem.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
DongFeng 31A.
Last time you checked was back in the 1980's, Ja?
Heh. Nein, the Tank is here to stay, along with the assault rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Nuclear weapons in space are banned by international treaty, and questions are abound about the efficacy of Rods from God.
In the smaller-scale wars that are likely to happen in the future, ranging from military actions such as "Operation Desert Storm" and the Russian-Georgian War, the Main Battle Tank continues to be THE most effective weapon against tanks and armored vehicles. Gunships are effective, but expensive. Drones do have a leg up over tanks, but that's going to disappear once anti-missile defense systems are perfected.
So much frackin' money spent on useless things like Medicare, SocSec, aid to African countries which ends up in the hands of dictators.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
At least the armed forces are there to protect your standard of living.
Maybe because competition and power playing are ingrained into the human psyche, so much that it manifests on all levels of society?Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Pointless? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
One could argue that those jets (not the F-22) ARE improving the living conditions of humans. Look at Afghanistan now. Now, go back ten years and look at how it was under the Taliban. Bam, living conditions improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Oh, yes. You're building nuclear weapons, no more chocolate imports for YOU! That's just so effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
The ONE time the UN actually worked was during the Korean War. That's when the UN organized several countries behind the US and their COMBINED armed forces drove back the North Koreans.
Yeah, that's right, the ARMED FORCES of individual countries.
Why the Hell not? It's fairly stable, given that only a small number of parties have nuclear weapons, and smaller parties are prevented from acquiring them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
Ok yah I'm wrong, but they're still only considered a "Regional SupePower"Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
They don't have the capabilities to really go beyond the Asian realm.
At least thats what the CIA world Fact book and other publications tell me..
Yah that's why the Afghanistan mission is done? That's why soldiers have to patrol around in APCS and etc, and still get owned to bits by IEDs.Quote:
Heh. Nein, the Tank is here to stay, along with the assault rifle.
Nuclear weapons in space are banned by international treaty, and questions are abound about the efficacy of Rods from God.
Unless you are looking for the total and complete destruction of a city, tanks are useless. Especially in urban warfare. They're like sitting ducks driving around town following that "Do not fire unless fired upon" rule.
True but that's Russia being a prick. It'll be the day when Abrams are strolling into Tehran and other parts of Iran plowing down buildings. But when that happens, I'm pretty sure the world will be in chaos.Quote:
In the smaller-scale wars that are likely to happen in the future, ranging from military actions such as "Operation Desert Storm" and the Russian-Georgian War, the Main Battle Tank continues to be THE most effective weapon against tanks and armored vehicles. Gunships are effective, but expensive. Drones do have a leg up over tanks, but that's going to disappear once anti-missile defense systems are perfected.
Marginal investment vs Marginal returns . Like that F22 example.Quote:
So much frackin' money spent on useless things like Medicare, SocSec, aid to African countries which ends up in the hands of dictators.
At least the armed forces are there to protect your standard of living.
I don't know but I don't think TOPGUN-esque dog fights even occur anymore.
But you know, I am wrong and right.
It's just rock paper scissors..but the rock/paper/scissors keep getting bigger and bigger. There is no need to develop things like the F-22 if the S-300 did not exist. But because the F-22 exists... the S-400 or whatever will exist one day...Quote:
Thomas D. Crimmins of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who has written about the possible Israeli strike on Iran says that the F-22 may be the only current aircraft that can evade the Russian S-300 air defense system which the Russians may transfer to Iran.
Might not matter to Americans, but I don't think everyone in Russia can go outside, walk to a starbucks and blow 7$USD on a cup of warmed milk. Then buy a copy of the Russian Times for 2$USD and throw that away. Then go into their Mustang and go commute to school.
Because that is what I do every day when I go to college, and I know I am living pretty high standards.
Yeah.Quote:
Maybe because competition and power playing are ingrained into the human psyche, so much that it manifests on all levels of society?
See the F22/S-300 example. Bigger rocks...etc..Quote:
Pointless? How?
And other groups agree, military might is required but things are changing
"An August 2008 RAND study showed that, as a land based aircraft, the F-22 would have little impact on a future conflict with China over Taiwan as its nearby bases would be shutdown by MRBMs and farther bases would require the assistance of tanker aircraft that would be quickly lost"
Just look at the F-22 article. Tons of proposals to can it, mainly because it doesnt have much practical use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee..._of_production
Yeah, fuck the Taliban. But really, it comes down to the grunt. I mean the invasion was over in an hour or...I can't remember but it was short.Quote:
One could argue that those jets (not the F-22) ARE improving the living conditions of humans. Look at Afghanistan now. Now, go back ten years and look at how it was under the Taliban. Bam, living conditions improved.
But hell those F-22's ain't doing shit. Why don't they develop some sort of IED detector? That's nice that those F-22's can evade the Russian S-300 system.
But NATO Boys in Green are getting blown to bits everyday in Afghanistan.
Jokingly speaking, Kim Jong Ill is Hennesy's #1 customer lmao. Maybe he's fallen into bad health due to a lack of a Very Special Cognac haha.Quote:
Oh, yes. You're building nuclear weapons, no more chocolate imports for YOU! That's just so effective.
The UN is a joke. I'm Canadian and I know this. :oQuote:
The ONE time the UN actually worked was during the Korean War. That's when the UN organized several countries behind the US and their COMBINED armed forces drove back the North Koreans.
Yeah, that's right, the ARMED FORCES of individual countries.
The problem is, that mentality worked fine in the 60's. It was USSR..and USA!Quote:
Why the Hell not? It's fairly stable, given that only a small number of parties have nuclear weapons, and smaller parties are prevented from acquiring them.
But now, a random terrorist group could go and put a 'suitcase' nuke or a dirty bomb into a busy metropolitan area. I don't know, but people love to point fingers...
OH not to mention...this thing still exists....at least to what people say
http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...urrentPage=allQuote:
The point of the system, he explains, was to guarantee an automatic Soviet response to an American nuclear strike. Even if the US crippled the USSR with a surprise attack, the Soviets could still hit back. It wouldn't matter if the US blew up the Kremlin, took out the defense ministry, severed the communications network, and killed everyone with stars on their shoulders. Ground-based sensors would detect that a devastating blow had been struck and a counterattack would be launched.
The technical name was Perimeter, but some called it Mertvaya Ruka, or Dead Hand. It was built 25 years ago and remained a closely guarded secret. With the demise of the USSR, word of the system did leak out, but few people seemed to notice. In fact, though Yarynich and a former Minuteman launch officer named Bruce Blair have been writing about Perimeter since 1993 in numerous books and newspaper articles, its existence has not penetrated the public mind or the corridors of power. The Russians still won't discuss it, and Americans at the highest levels—including former top officials at the State Department and White House—say they've never heard of it. When I recently told former CIA director James Woolsey that the USSR had built a doomsday device, his eyes grew cold. "I hope to God the Soviets were more sensible than that." They weren't.
Read More http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...#ixzz0rmxYTEjz
So you know, in theory. Some crazed terrorist group goes to Moscow, sets off a device big enough to trip the sensors. The machine/system supposedly asks for human input, if none is given, it goes ahead with the total and utter destruction of the USA.
So if that happens, then the USA probably retaliates. Shit there goes the world.
PS. Don't get me wrong, as a Canadian I am well aware that a majority of our security is provided by the Americans. NORAD might be a joint venture between Canada/USA, but I know it is the American Nuclear subs patrolling the artic. And I know Russians have done recon/spy crap in the Artic before, our mitlitary is ill equipped to deal with anything and our attempts at some "Artic Sovereignty" is a joke. Obviously somethings are a necessity, but those necessities usually born out of political insecurities and fear mongering.
Oh well.
If you look through my previous post, you can see that they don't need to go beyond their backyard. While China still has imperialistic intentions left (Taiwan, South China Sea, Arunachal Pradesh), they have no reason to taking over say, Europe, the US, or any other place. They're right now quite successful playing the Globalism game. So, the only conflict the US would run into China with would be in their backyard, and that's where they've built their military around.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Nuclear missiles are futile against China. Even with them, you'll still run into MAD (mutual assured destruction).
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Funding was diverted to other projects, but as of right now, 168 are currently in operation with a final 19 planes awaiting production. There will be no more after that, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
The F-35 Lightening and all of its crazy variants is our new pride and joy. It's the F-22's cheaper, leaner, baby brother.
http://www.jsf.mil/images/gallery/sd...5testa_053.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee...5_Lightning_II
And yeah, I wish the world collectively spent way more money on more important things rather than offens--I mean defense.
The countries of the world routinely and metaphorically shake hands with one another with one hand, while holding knives behind their backs with the other. Imagine if someone could convince every country to put down their knife. Imagine all of the things we could accomplish. Not gonna happen anytime soon, though.
Oh, yes! It worked really well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock :rolleyes:
The 1983 film The Day After should be required viewing for anyone in control of a nuclear arsenal, however large or small.
It is a profoundly horrifying movie.
They look absolutely positively ... American
Dunno if it was mentioned (and no offense) but on a side note it is funny how the US Army, undoubtbly the most powerful force in the history of man, has its ranks filled up with any kind of people except American. Look up for a list of Army members of any unit and at least half of them are of Latin origin or foreign.
Yeah you are right . I think I didn't see your post. Yeah MAD will occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kacaier
I suppose thats why the US has stuff parked around Taiwan.
Yeah, until the S-400 Russian system comes out haha. Yeah it's a sweet machine. Sweeter too cause "we" (Canada) get some too!Quote:
Originally Posted by //MavericK\\
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion_Towing.jpg
Errhmm if you are replying to me, I am referring to a different Dooms Day device. It's basically an "Automatic MAD" system implemented by the Soviets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
So if the Kremlin and anyone with Stars on their uniform was dead, the total annihilation of the USA would still occur.
Eventually our aerial battles are going to be fought by these things. Sky-net here we come.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...X-45A_UCAV.jpg
You just reminded me of the predator and reaper drones. Someone suggested we deploy those on the southern border...for recon of course. I remember seeing on a show in the History Channel (cant remember the name but I remember the man, gunney I think) about a small robot on treads with a camera and rifle attached to it and how it was remote controlled, interesting indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by //MavericK\\
The T-0.5...I-WILL-BE-BACK. NEED-MORE-AMMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TargetBlue
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iator_240G.jpg
Nope. In fact i had no idea you had posted something with a similar name.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Interesting system. I hope it was/is well designed (because nobody wants that triggering by mistake, right?). Didn't they had nuclear submarines at that time?
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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\
Oh shit. You think it'll ever come to the day when it's basically GAMEOVER if you encounter a UCAV? I mean it can do maneuvers, calculate shots, etc that a human could never do.
Next we'll have completely unmanned Carriers just going into the Gulf for a suicide run against Iran.Quote:
This Super Hornet is expected to be able to hook the carrier's arrester cables autonomously by the 2009 timeframe,[11] setting the stage for carrier-borne UAV operations.
Army/Navy/Air Force, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Nukes? No
I do believe I referred to Operation Desert Storm, not the occupation. You know, when we swept aside Saddam Insane's army with a numerical inferiority?Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
For now. Unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Like I mentioned earlier, the onset of anti-ballistic weapons systems will be when tanks can reenter the urban battlefield.
>.<Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Not every war of the future will be guerrilla warfare. Only the long, drawn-out ones, for now.
Which is why the darn program ist vorbei now, hein?Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
In the meantime, they still make excellent ground-attack platforms, and in the event of an actual shooting war, anything the enemy puts up in the air can kiss it's sweet padonkadonk goodbye.
The only thing that has changed is that all-out World Wars, and smaller wars between superpowers, are now impossible. And you can thank the modern military might and the nuclear program for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Invasion began October 7, Kabul taken November 13, Kandahar cleared out December 6, Tora Bora Mountain campaign finished December 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Air support continued throughout that time.
They're working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Well, then thank God for the Tomahawk Cruise Missile.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
We're. Working. On. It.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
They can't conjure the materials out of nowhere. The future security of the world lies in preventing new regimes from acquiring nuclear power, and in establishing control over Russia's HEU and plutonium left over from decommissioned nuclear weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Well, nightmare fuel to you, fetish fuel to some other people around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
...Wait, should I have actually admitted that?
Yeah, except the system is only kept 'active' in times of crisis. It's like a button on a grenade that sets off when released. It needs to be primed first, it's not going to go off if its still on your vest when you get headshotted.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
Yeah, but they invested more into their railroad silos than they did into their submarines, largely due to their lack of a reliable warm-water port. By the late 70s, that decision was catching up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norfindel
SWORDS Tactical Robot, developed by Foster-Miller TALON.Quote:
Originally Posted by TargetBlue
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VOxSxKaKV2...ot_soldado.jpghttp://lemonodor.com/images/SWORDS-s.jpg
Missing from these pictures: A visual display based on an Apple II debugger.
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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/more_accurate.png
"We live in a world where robotic assassins patrol the skies. At some point in time, we left the past and entered the future."
Finally, someone who doesn't look at UAVs and mouth BS about how machines cannot "Match the instincts of a human at the controls"Quote:
Originally Posted by hyde
There's no known limit to AI technology yet, but we're definitely nowhere near the point where an autonomous targeting method is more effective than a human pilot. Today's UAVs and UCAVs are directly remotely controlled via a human operator. I do not foresee technology to allow for fully autonomous drones in the next 50 years. And while remotely controlling it seems to be the future, there's a large possibility of electronic jamming or disruption to a remote signal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
So until we can get autonomous drones that do match humans, we still need human aircraft pilots for a while.
You cannot prevent anyone from getting nuclear power. Anyone that has nuclear reactors could potentially develop a nuclear weapon. You would see they're doing tests, but then it means they already have something that can be detonated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quirel
Anyways, who would decide who can have nuclear weapons and who cannot? Why someone could have nuclear weapons and not another nation?
What's needed is a serious international organization where every nation has the same decision power. So, if any country goes around doing nasty shit, it has to suffer the consequences.
As it stands now, the world is just a disorganized group of nations and groups of power that follow their own interests. No wonder shit happends sometimes.
Well, all this talk about money wasting really doesn't mean much. We all here should realize that China likes to show off.
The world has known them to be poor since forever, so now they want to show the world that they have money. Just look at Europe and the States, they're trying to raise the Chinese dollar's worth because everyone is just buying stuff from China since it's so cheap.
Did you happen to see the Beijing Olympics? The best opening ceremony in like all time? The one where the most money was put into it? How about the Shanghai expo? The Chinese pavilion is freaken huge. In fact, I went on tour for 6 days (stayed at 5 star hotels every single night, had awesome meals 3 times a day) and you know how much the tour costed? $200 per person, the rest paid for by China.
You know why? Because China wants people to come and see how much money they're making now.
Anyone else concern about the needles in his neck or the bugs in their face O.o