China's Army is pretty Impressive Looking

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06-24-2010, 08:08 PM
Arkalis

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Dunno if it was mentioned (and no offense) but on a side note it is funny how the US Army, undoubtbly the most powerful force in the history of man, has its ranks filled up with any kind of people except American. Look up for a list of Army members of any unit and at least half of them are of Latin origin or foreign.
06-25-2010, 10:06 AM
hyde

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Originally Posted by Kacaier

If you look through my previous post, you can see that they don't need to go beyond their backyard. While China still has imperialistic intentions left (Taiwan, South China Sea, Arunachal Pradesh), they have no reason to taking over say, Europe, the US, or any other place. They're right now quite successful playing the Globalism game. So, the only conflict the US would run into China with would be in their backyard, and that's where they've built their military around.

Nuclear missiles are futile against China. Even with them, you'll still run into MAD (mutual assured destruction).

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Yeah you are right . I think I didn't see your post. Yeah MAD will occur.
I suppose thats why the US has stuff parked around Taiwan.

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

Funding was diverted to other projects, but as of right now, 168 are currently in operation with a final 19 planes awaiting production. There will be no more after that, though.

The F-35 Lightening and all of its crazy variants is our new pride and joy. It's the F-22's cheaper, leaner, baby brother.

Yeah, until the S-400 Russian system comes out haha. Yeah it's a sweet machine. Sweeter too cause "we" (Canada) get some too!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion_Towing.jpg

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Oh, yes! It worked really well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock :rolleyes:

Errhmm if you are replying to me, I am referring to a different Dooms Day device. It's basically an "Automatic MAD" system implemented by the Soviets.
So if the Kremlin and anyone with Stars on their uniform was dead, the total annihilation of the USA would still occur.
06-25-2010, 10:49 AM
//MavericK\\

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Originally Posted by hyde

Yeah, until the S-400 Russian system comes out haha. Yeah it's a sweet machine. Sweeter too cause "we" (Canada) get some too!

Eventually our aerial battles are going to be fought by these things. Sky-net here we come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...X-45A_UCAV.jpg
06-25-2010, 11:07 AM
TargetBlue

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

Eventually our aerial battles are going to be fought by these things. Sky-net here we come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...X-45A_UCAV.jpg

You just reminded me of the predator and reaper drones. Someone suggested we deploy those on the southern border...for recon of course. I remember seeing on a show in the History Channel (cant remember the name but I remember the man, gunney I think) about a small robot on treads with a camera and rifle attached to it and how it was remote controlled, interesting indeed.
06-25-2010, 11:14 AM
//MavericK\\

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Originally Posted by TargetBlue

You just reminded me of the predator and reaper drones. Someone suggested we deploy those on the southern border...for recon of course. I remember seeing on a show in the History Channel (cant remember the name but I remember the man, gunney I think) about a small robot on treads with a camera and rifle attached to it and how it was remote controlled, interesting indeed.

The T-0.5...I-WILL-BE-BACK. NEED-MORE-AMMO.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iator_240G.jpg
06-25-2010, 03:53 PM
Norfindel

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Originally Posted by hyde

Errhmm if you are replying to me, I am referring to a different Dooms Day device. It's basically an "Automatic MAD" system implemented by the Soviets.
So if the Kremlin and anyone with Stars on their uniform was dead, the total annihilation of the USA would still occur.

Nope. In fact i had no idea you had posted something with a similar name.

Interesting system. I hope it was/is well designed (because nobody wants that triggering by mistake, right?). Didn't they had nuclear submarines at that time?
06-25-2010, 07:09 PM
hyde

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

Eventually our aerial battles are going to be fought by these things. Sky-net here we come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...X-45A_UCAV.jpg

Oh shit. You think it'll ever come to the day when it's basically GAMEOVER if you encounter a UCAV? I mean it can do maneuvers, calculate shots, etc that a human could never do.

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This Super Hornet is expected to be able to hook the carrier's arrester cables autonomously by the 2009 timeframe,[11] setting the stage for carrier-borne UAV operations.

Next we'll have completely unmanned Carriers just going into the Gulf for a suicide run against Iran.
06-26-2010, 12:02 AM
Quirel

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Originally Posted by hyde

Ok yah I'm wrong, but they're still only considered a "Regional SupePower"
They don't have the capabilities to really go beyond the Asian realm.
At least thats what the CIA world Fact book and other publications tell me..

Army/Navy/Air Force, yes.
Nukes? No

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Yah that's why the Afghanistan mission is done? That's why soldiers have to patrol around in APCS and etc, and still get owned to bits by IEDs.

I do believe I referred to Operation Desert Storm, not the occupation. You know, when we swept aside Saddam Insane's army with a numerical inferiority?

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Unless you are looking for the total and complete destruction of a city, tanks are useless. Especially in urban warfare. They're like sitting ducks driving around town following that "Do not fire unless fired upon" rule.

For now. Unfortunately.
Like I mentioned earlier, the onset of anti-ballistic weapons systems will be when tanks can reenter the urban battlefield.

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True but that's Russia being a prick. It'll be the day when Abrams are strolling into Tehran and other parts of Iran plowing down buildings. But when that happens, I'm pretty sure the world will be in chaos.

>.<
Not every war of the future will be guerrilla warfare. Only the long, drawn-out ones, for now.

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Marginal investment vs Marginal returns . Like that F22 example.
I don't know but I don't think TOPGUN-esque dog fights even occur anymore.

But you know, I am wrong and right.

Which is why the darn program ist vorbei now, hein?

In the meantime, they still make excellent ground-attack platforms, and in the event of an actual shooting war, anything the enemy puts up in the air can kiss it's sweet padonkadonk goodbye.

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And other groups agree, military might is required but things are changing

The only thing that has changed is that all-out World Wars, and smaller wars between superpowers, are now impossible. And you can thank the modern military might and the nuclear program for that.

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Yeah, fuck the Taliban. But really, it comes down to the grunt. I mean the invasion was over in an hour or...I can't remember but it was short.

Invasion began October 7, Kabul taken November 13, Kandahar cleared out December 6, Tora Bora Mountain campaign finished December 17.

Air support continued throughout that time.

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But hell those F-22's ain't doing shit. Why don't they develop some sort of IED detector?

They're working on it.

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That's nice that those F-22's can evade the Russian S-300 system.

Well, then thank God for the Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

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But NATO Boys in Green are getting blown to bits everyday in Afghanistan.

We're. Working. On. It.

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The problem is, that mentality worked fine in the 60's. It was USSR..and USA!
But now, a random terrorist group could go and put a 'suitcase' nuke or a dirty bomb into a busy metropolitan area. I don't know, but people love to point fingers...

They can't conjure the materials out of nowhere. The future security of the world lies in preventing new regimes from acquiring nuclear power, and in establishing control over Russia's HEU and plutonium left over from decommissioned nuclear weapons.

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Originally Posted by hyde

The problem is, that mentality worked fine in the 60's. It was USSR..and USA!
But now, a random terrorist group could go and put a 'suitcase' nuke or a dirty bomb into a busy metropolitan area. I don't know, but people love to point fingers...

OH not to mention...this thing still exists....at least to what people say

Well, nightmare fuel to you, fetish fuel to some other people around here.

...Wait, should I have actually admitted that?

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Originally Posted by hyde

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...urrentPage=all

So you know, in theory. Some crazed terrorist group goes to Moscow, sets off a device big enough to trip the sensors. The machine/system supposedly asks for human input, if none is given, it goes ahead with the total and utter destruction of the USA.
So if that happens, then the USA probably retaliates. Shit there goes the world.

Yeah, except the system is only kept 'active' in times of crisis. It's like a button on a grenade that sets off when released. It needs to be primed first, it's not going to go off if its still on your vest when you get headshotted.

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Originally Posted by Norfindel

Nope. In fact i had no idea you had posted something with a similar name.

Interesting system. I hope it was/is well designed (because nobody wants that triggering by mistake, right?). Didn't they had nuclear submarines at that time?

Yeah, but they invested more into their railroad silos than they did into their submarines, largely due to their lack of a reliable warm-water port. By the late 70s, that decision was catching up to them.

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Originally Posted by TargetBlue

You just reminded me of the predator and reaper drones. Someone suggested we deploy those on the southern border...for recon of course. I remember seeing on a show in the History Channel (cant remember the name but I remember the man, gunney I think) about a small robot on treads with a camera and rifle attached to it and how it was remote controlled, interesting indeed.

SWORDS Tactical Robot, developed by Foster-Miller TALON.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VOxSxKaKV2...ot_soldado.jpg http://lemonodor.com/images/SWORDS-s.jpg
Missing from these pictures: A visual display based on an Apple II debugger.

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Originally Posted by //MavericK\\

Eventually our aerial battles are going to be fought by these things. Sky-net here we come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...X-45A_UCAV.jpg

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/more_accurate.png
"We live in a world where robotic assassins patrol the skies. At some point in time, we left the past and entered the future."

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Originally Posted by hyde

Oh shit. You think it'll ever come to the day when it's basically GAMEOVER if you encounter a UCAV? I mean it can do maneuvers, calculate shots, etc that a human could never do.

Finally, someone who doesn't look at UAVs and mouth BS about how machines cannot "Match the instincts of a human at the controls"
06-26-2010, 08:32 AM
Kacaier

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Originally Posted by Quirel

Finally, someone who doesn't look at UAVs and mouth BS about how machines cannot "Match the instincts of a human at the controls"

There's no known limit to AI technology yet, but we're definitely nowhere near the point where an autonomous targeting method is more effective than a human pilot. Today's UAVs and UCAVs are directly remotely controlled via a human operator. I do not foresee technology to allow for fully autonomous drones in the next 50 years. And while remotely controlling it seems to be the future, there's a large possibility of electronic jamming or disruption to a remote signal.

So until we can get autonomous drones that do match humans, we still need human aircraft pilots for a while.
06-26-2010, 04:23 PM
Norfindel

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They can't conjure the materials out of nowhere. The future security of the world lies in preventing new regimes from acquiring nuclear power, and in establishing control over Russia's HEU and plutonium left over from decommissioned nuclear weapons.

You cannot prevent anyone from getting nuclear power. Anyone that has nuclear reactors could potentially develop a nuclear weapon. You would see they're doing tests, but then it means they already have something that can be detonated.

Anyways, who would decide who can have nuclear weapons and who cannot? Why someone could have nuclear weapons and not another nation?

What's needed is a serious international organization where every nation has the same decision power. So, if any country goes around doing nasty shit, it has to suffer the consequences.

As it stands now, the world is just a disorganized group of nations and groups of power that follow their own interests. No wonder shit happends sometimes.

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