Do you think players tha play certain races share common traits?

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Originally Posted by Gradius

Everybody knows all protoss players are of superior intellect & skill, that's why protoss always gets unjustifiably nerfed every patch :P

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Yes we are the coolest :D HIGH FIVE!

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Originally Posted by andrew

yes we are the coolest :d high five!

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adun toridas!

@Sahara: Looks like you're putting a cheese and an all-in strategy in the same pot. While a cheesy strategy can also be all-inish (and inversely), they are two seperate things.

It's true that a cheesy strat usually relies on hiding what you're doing though, but a cheese doesn't have to be decisive.

Of course there isn't an official definition that everyone can agree on, but I think the best way to describe cheese is "whatever is non-standard and involves an element of surprise in your tech".

People who delude themselves by saying that their losses aren't relevant because they lost to cheese are just kidding themselves though, and are missing the whole point of the game.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Cheese

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Cheese is a pejorative expression which refers to a strategy that is highly unconventional and designed to take one's opponent by surprise. In general, cheese is nearly impossible to defeat if it is not scouted but easy to defeat if it is scouted.

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That's the deifnition. There is a definition, and that's it. it's agreed upon. You are mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Yes we are the coolest :D HIGH FIVE!

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Psh. There are just as much 'idiots' playing one race as there are in the others. Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Plus, could all you Protoss fanatics take the stick out your a$$ please? Also, Aldaris wants his ego back Gradius. :p

All in good fun of course.

Anyways, I don't think anything that you've said about races fits me. I don't pick one race or Random almost exclusively. I don't prefer one race to the others or Random to everything else. I don't have the same knowledge that other players have but that doesn't mean I'm stupid. Neither of the races suit me.

Aldaris is dead but his ego will live on in Gradius forever more.

I think he got more than just his ego. He also got his arrogance, in regards to the Protoss. :p

I shall remain content to channel the angry side of Kerrigan. Although every time it creeps to the forefront of my thoughts, I tend beat it into submission and stuff it back where it belongs, in the "things you shouldn't be/do" corner. Although opinion varies on whether it belongs were it usually is. :p

Although I can easily understand why I'm so obsessed with the Zerg. I like power and control. I like being the absolute ruler/Queen. And obedience on behalf of my minions. I also love deadly, vicious things in general and am absolutely fascinated by the Zerg (and Tyranids). Although I will admit that Protoss lore is kick ass. Just, sometimes it's hard to choose between the noble side of me - the one that thinks Protoss are kick ass - and the angry, bloodthirsty side of me - the one that is absolutely obsessed with the Zerg.

Well, for me, I play as Zerg because I enjoy thinking of myself as: Master of all! Ruler of the field!

I find enjoyment in watching my opponents struggle under the sheer force of my army. I enjoy when they 'GG' because they can't take anymore. I am entertained when they try to grab an expansion, but can't since its covered in creep, and then they get swarmed. It entertains me when they run out of minerals and they're final push fails under Mutalisks, Hydralisks, and Zerglings.

Watching my opponents units burn in acid is funny. Watching them try to desperately run their workers away from my Zerglings is priceless. And watching an entire fleet of Battle Cruisers fall and burn is awesome.

Maybe the evil inside of me manifests itself when I play Zerg, or maybe thats just who I truly am. Either way, I play Zerg. I play Zerg and I love it.

I play Protoss in SC2 because I hate the Zerg macro, and hate Terran in general. Less humans plox.

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Originally Posted by TheStigma

Watching my opponents units burn in acid is funny. Watching them try to desperately run their workers away from my Zerglings is priceless. And watching an entire fleet of Battle Cruisers fall and burn is awesome.

Maybe the evil inside of me manifests itself when I play Zerg, or maybe thats just who I truly am. Either way, I play Zerg. I play Zerg and I love it.

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Finally someone I can agree with and who isn't just saying the whole "Zerg are cool!" factor! I will admit that there is a big part of me that likes death, bloodshed, is bloodthirsty and laughs at all the marines dying by acid. The Zerg are creatures that were genetically engineered to be the perfect biological killing machines and that interests and appeals to me greatly. Even with real animals, all of the ones I've like are dangerous - tiger, panther etc. My urge to rip, tear and hurt is much higher than most people but that's generally because I'm an angry person at heart - for many reasons. It's hard to completely explain why I live the Zerg but those are the easiest reasons to speak of. It's.. ever since I heard about the Zerg, I've liked them. I used to always play Zerg in the original SC (including BW). The only reason I dislike Kerrigan is because she seems like a whiny child playing with toys.

But of course, that was speaking interests wise. Gameplay wise, I love Warp-in but I also love playing Zerg. I'm actually pretty good at playing Zerg but I'm just not entirely used to their play style. I am however proud to say that I remember to do SL everytime.

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Originally Posted by senervo

eh...?
i don't want to accuse your logic but this statement puts the random playing player at a 66% chance to get another race than zerg...
i don't think it would be a viable way to gain wins if most random players only wanted to play zerg to begin with...

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i understand that. i was only using an example. my point is that randomers are usually people who want to take comfort in the fact that their opponents dont know what they are.

if the randomers choose it just to have variety blah blah blah, then it would be way better if say you choose random, then at the loading screen it shows what race you generated and both players are aware of what race they are whether they chose that race or they picked random and got it.

im also not a big fan of not knowing which starting position your opponent is at. it kind of adds in the whole rolling dice thing as you literally have to guess where he is with your starting worker and if you are trying an early attack or rush, finding them early is crucial. this is also true if your opponent is trying something unorthodox and you just so happen to find him quickly or find him at the latest possible time with your starting scout worker. in those kinds of situations, it can literally decide the game

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

Like do personalities dictate the races you play? and if thus, will one be able to have a vague assumption of a person's personality through that factor?
Consider Random as a seperate 4th race.

Bored and felt like starting a topic lol

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If so, am I not free? I am who I am, regardless what race and color I play.

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Originally Posted by SaharaDrac

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Cheese


That's the deifnition. There is a definition, and that's it. it's agreed upon. You are mistaken.

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That's interesting. I'm willing to conform to liquipedia when it comes SC slang, since it's probably the place where the most people would go to look for a definition, but in that case the top commentators should probably conform to that.
A definition problem arises when you see korean commentators talking about cheese (subbed though, so the validity is questionable) when someone is just doing something unusual.

Nevertheless, sure that's the definition, but it's important not to confuse cheese and all-in attack, and consider that a cheese doesn't have to end the game, it can be used to gain an advantage (economical for example).

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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk

If so, am I not free? I am who I am, regardless what race and color I play.

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of course but who you are can easily dictate your played race based on your moo and personality as well as play style

Hmm. Maybe that's why I have no favorite race then?

But how does each of these choices reflect one's personality? What if one chooses to play one race because there's a character in the lore of that race that one finds interesting? What if one chooses this race because...

Is there really such a difference between each race? You build something, train something, harvest, attack, retreat, block ramp, wait, tech-up, mass, etc. Same thing with different images, and different assortments of whens and hows. But all the same.

This is why I don't believe such a thing could hint of a person's personality.

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Question: If a person loves to play terran because of the siege tank's siege mode-tank mode thingy, what does that say about him?

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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk

Hmm. Maybe that's why I have no favorite race then?

But how does each of these choices reflect one's personality? What if one chooses to play one race because there's a character in the lore of that race that one finds interesting? What if one chooses this race because...

Is there really such a difference between each race? You build something, train something, harvest, attack, retreat, block ramp, wait, tech-up, mass, etc. Same thing with different images, and different assortments of whens and hows. But all the same.

This is why I don't believe such a thing could hint of a person's personality.

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Question: If a person loves to play terran because of the siege tank's siege mode-tank mode thingy, what does that say about him?

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to answer the questions in order
Liking Lore Characters means that there is some thing about that character you like thus reflecting some type of personal preference and somehow vaguely reflects the personality

Of course there is such difference between the races they one have different back grounds. Different mechanics in construction, and weaponary preferences like Terran has no melee units for example

If a person plays terran because of siege tank the quote SaharaDrac reflects that they like to be in invincible situation like wise it reflects a certain degree of personality


I believe It's not that a matter of whether you're free or not to choose your race but more like you choose what you play based on who you are

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

to answer the questions in order
Liking Lore Characters means that there is some thing about that character you like thus reflecting some type of personal preference and somehow vaguely reflects the personality

Of course there is such difference between the races they one have different back grounds. Different mechanics in construction, and weaponary preferences like Terran has no melee units for example

If a person plays terran because of siege tank the quote SaharaDrac reflects that they like to be in invincible situation like wise it reflects a certain degree of personality


I believe It's not that a matter of whether you're free or not to choose your race but more like you choose what you play based on who you are

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I see. I'd like to know what's out there then regarding each race. If there was a quiz in FB sort of thing than then tells me what race I'd likely be playing would be interesting.

But I shall reserve my conviction, than none of these can define a person, nor tell anyone even a vague idea of who or what that person is and is not.

Though, it would be an interesting facet that may generate some sort of hype or whatnot, which then might sell the game to more people.

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

of course but who you are can easily dictate your played race based on your moo and personality as well as play style

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It is not who you are but how you like to play that can dictate what race you play.

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Originally Posted by Sarov

It is not who you are but how you like to play that can dictate what race you play.

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Some people just play the coolest looking race, or they just play aliens, or they just play humans. Some people don't look into it as deep as everyone here does. Sometimes what race you play dictates how you play. There is to many random variables to say that people who play certain races share common traits. I can't make up my mind on who I like the best so does that mean I share common traits with all of you? What if someone plays Protoss and Zerg or Terran and Zerg or Random but then switched to Zerg? It's either random, or personal preference, or maybe you play terran cause you feel they are OP or maybe Zerg because they are the least played or some other reason. There is just no way I can see people sharing traits because they like to play the same race on some computer game.

There are countless things that can dictate what you play. What your preference is in aesthetics, you're favorite race, sometimes it can be the type of person you are, other times it can be your play style and so on and so forth. But not everyone shares the same traits in the sense that anyone who plays x race has x, y and z traits. There are too many factors to just narrow it done to one thing.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Some people just play the coolest looking race, or they just play aliens, or they just play humans. Some people don't look into it as deep as everyone here does. Sometimes what race you play dictates how you play. There is to many random variables to say that people who play certain races share common traits. I can't make up my mind on who I like the best so does that mean I share common traits with all of you? What if someone plays Protoss and Zerg or Terran and Zerg or Random but then switched to Zerg? It's either random, or personal preference, or maybe you play terran cause you feel they are OP or maybe Zerg because they are the least played or some other reason. There is just no way I can see people sharing traits because they like to play the same race on some computer game.

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I agree. Exactly why I lol at fashion magazines and the horrible and nasty ideas they speak about in those things. It's like saying that if you were born in a certain year, month, or constellation configuration, you are predestined to do or be in a certain way.

We can choose whatever, I say, be or do in as we choose to. And arriving at being comfortable in those decisions could either be easy or would take time, but the fact remains that free will has made the difference. It's either the person's or someone elses, but in the end it all boils down to one thing:

I am that I am.

I love these kinds of plots. :D

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Originally Posted by Sarov

It is not who you are but how you like to play that can dictate what race you play.

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agreed thanks for correcting me on that part but doesn't who I am kind of correlates with my prefered play style?

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

agreed thanks for correcting me on that part but doesn't who I am kind of correlates with my prefered play style?

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To quote myself not too far back (last page):

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Originally Posted by Sarov

There are countless things that can dictate what you play. What your preference is in aesthetics, you're favorite race, sometimes it can be the type of person you are, other times it can be your play style and so on and so forth. But not everyone shares the same traits in the sense that anyone who plays x race has x, y and z traits. There are too many factors to just narrow it done to one thing.

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So, in essence, yes, you are right but that isn't always true. There are several qualities I have that don't match up with my play style. I like have a very good defense as opposed to a very good offense because I'm not very aggressive. By that token, why am I not playing Terran then since they are usually referred to as the best in defense?

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Originally Posted by Sarov

To quote myself not too far back (last page):



So, in essence, yes, you are right but that isn't always true. There are several qualities I have that don't match up with my play style. I like have a very good defense as opposed to a very good offense because I'm not very aggressive. By that token, why am I not playing Terran then since they are usually referred to as the best in defense?

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that's true... xD I can't place a well enough counter discussion for that.

Anyways for my own Testimony

I used play Terran alot because I found myself able to identify with the Human race more but I somehow found Terran was just too defensive for me. and when I played Protoss I felt something just clicked, I really think the Warp in (construction) really helped me have less sleeping SCVs and also made my play flow alot better. I also felt some how the flow of battle changed to a way for me to easier adapt to. Especially Warp Gate plays.

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Originally Posted by Blasterion

that's true... xD I can't place a well enough counter discussion for that.

Anyways for my own Testimony

I used play Terran alot because I found myself able to identify with the Human race more but I somehow found Terran was just too defensive for me. and when I played Protoss I felt something just clicked, I really think the Warp in (construction) really helped me have less sleeping SCVs and also made my play flow alot better. I also felt some how the flow of battle changed to a way for me to easier adapt to. Especially Warp Gate plays.

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It's depending on how you play, I tend to be more aggresive with terran then with the other 2.

I play every race because I easily get bored. <-- there's a counter argument right there. :D

Terran players to me are kind of a hodge-podge of different personalities. Defensive players/turtles like Terran because of easy D simply. Others take it a step further and are aggressive because they don't need to commit so much offense to the defense, unlike Zerg and Protoss, which tend more toward the theory of "The best defense is a good offense." Protoss are more like this in my observation of SC2 simply because cannons are not as good as in SC1. Some of these toss will migrate to Terran to suit their playstyle. On the other hand, Zerg D is much improved, resulting in a migration to Zerg by defensive minded players who like a good O to boot.

It's probably already been said but I think the race people choose depends on many different factors and the people themselves. Some people may play a race because they like their art style or lore, or how the play in the actual game for example. I really don't think it is just a certain personality that goes for a certain race.

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Originally Posted by EndlessSky

It's probably already been said but I think the race people choose depends on many different factors and the people themselves. Some people may play a race because they like their art style or lore, or how the play in the actual game for example. I really don't think it is just a certain personality that goes for a certain race.

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The thing is, I'm sure there are certain personality traits that draw you to a race. But each race has multiple pulls so it's hard to say which one made you actually choose that race. So you are right. ;)

I play Zerg. I like nature and stuff so I like the whole super bio theme. 100% bio-degradable baby :p
Plus I see them as somewhat animal-like, they just wanna eat. Though that doesn't really agree with lore :D

I also like their super production capabilities, 3 hives with queens can spawn an incredible army in seconds. Which I also like, I can spawn even the most high-level army in any constelation in half a minute if I kept up my larva spawn. The response time is just dreamy. Or just dump 2000 minerals in Zerglings. And then doom-drop them with a Nydus :D

I also play random because the other two races are interesting too and it's nice to simply switch it up from time to time.
With Terrans, building placement and production gives me some trouble. Not to mention that I like a more agressive playstyle and Terrans definitely rewards a smart defensive style. Gotta learn that, will be even more fun playing with multiple mindsets. :)

Toss, I really like Warpgates. Probably because they remind me of Zerg production ;)
I also like DT drops and those little Colossi. Having 4 of them shielded by cZeals, Stalkers and Sentries against a mostly ground based army is soo cool to watch. And Void-Rays. *whossssh* 5 seconds later *WHOSSSSH*

Wait, what was that post supposed to be about? :D

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Originally Posted by Sarov

So, in essence, yes, you are right but that isn't always true. There are several qualities I have that don't match up with my play style. I like have a very good defense as opposed to a very good offense because I'm not very aggressive. By that token, why am I not playing Terran then since they are usually referred to as the best in defense?

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The purpose of this thread isn't to dicuss the dye-in the wool, cut and dry labels that can be placed on people by what they play as you're making it sound. No one proposed that. All that was proposed was a discussion on what racial choice might indicate about a player's personality.

I believe there is some sort of connection . Although people change and do freely all the time. I've always gone back to Terran.

I enjoy Terran because I love being under fire and preparing to defend. Nothing satisfies me more than punishing a zerg after a muta harass which utterly fails due to well played turrets and marines.

The patience of tank pushing , and setting up seige outside someone's base is pretty sweet too.

I believe it all has to do with the fact terran starts really weak and exponetionally gets stronger as the game goes on.

Now, maybe that's related to me because I've always played defense in any sport (hockey, american football, soccer/football) and I've always enjoyed really good strong defense in pretty much any situation. I would consider myself logical and rather consistant.

Maybe there's a connection??

But Drac, if something indicates what that person's personality is, you form an idea of a person's personality and thus risk falling into the most obvious trait humans have, which is to categorize things.

Not set in stone yes, but the same reason why I tried to get the idea out there that no one can ever "truly know" someone until one meets them face to face and "experience" them for such a long time that one can form a basis of that person's personality and his tendencies.

It's like in psych that questions reveal what could be your personality, and in a way, the opening post asked the question, in some way, if it is possible that the choices we make could be, as in the choices we make in answering psych eval tests, tell something about our personality.

I don't believe this, since there has been no established ideas yet around the races in SC2, and even so, I tend to disagree with such things.

So, when Blasterion asks the question, I responded with the likes of, "no, you cannot tell someone's personality by what race he/she has chosen". And this I attribute to the fact that anyone can just choose a race just because he/she chose to just choose this race to play and master, regardless of anything that choice might connote, and without regard of his/her level of desire or distress in making and sticking/disregarding that choice.

I say, "attraction to a certain association(s) given to/accepted for a certain unit" might be somewhat indicative to one's personality, but that in itself is a thick layer of paint.

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Originally Posted by REF

I believe there is some sort of connection . Although people change and do freely all the time. I've always gone back to Terran.

I enjoy Terran because I love being under fire and preparing to defend. Nothing satisfies me more than punishing a zerg after a muta harass which utterly fails due to well played turrets and marines.

The patience of tank pushing , and setting up seige outside someone's base is pretty sweet too.

I believe it all has to do with the fact terran starts really weak and exponetionally gets stronger as the game goes on.

Now, maybe that's related to me because I've always played defense in any sport (hockey, american football, soccer/football) and I've always enjoyed really good strong defense in pretty much any situation. I would consider myself logical and rather consistant.

Maybe there's a connection??

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A multitude of personality may enjoy watching a football game, or a team playing in a certain way. Now, if a part of that multitude agrees to like the tactics displayed and executed in those games, the failure of, success of, etc said tactics, or that they like tactics and things around that, then we could say yeah, these people like to think and solve problems in a methodical way.

But then again, that doesn't tell you of their individual personality, or hint at even a vague idea of their personality. You can tell only one thing, "they like the tactics in the games they play; they like tactics" but that's it. You need more data regarding that to scrape out the nuances of the notion and then arrive at a vague conclusion of said statement in quote (which is, "they like tactics").

All I can tell about you, as an example, is what you claim about you in your post. That that is what you claim you "think" you are, and so with respect, I believe you, but still respect you enough to believe that a few seconds after you clicked the post button, you might have changed your mind or have seen something else about yourself that makes the claim you made for yourself, let's say, not applicable.

So, if I see a terran player who likes siege tanks and the ramifications of it, then he/she's a guy who likes that in that and that's it for that matter.

I think it would be a mistake or sort of over-stepping should I allow myself to go beyond, and no one thing tells about another thing in one person absolutely, or indicatively. Yes, we can take the route of habits and tendencies, but the margin of error is great.

I propose that we call a terran player a terran player, a zerg player a zerg player, etc. If someone likes the protoss warp-gate mechanics, then he/she is a person who likes warp-gate mechanics, etc.

But then again, will that person like warp-gate mechanics on Zerg?

I wonder if there's a connexion between sexual orientation, religious affiliation, nationality, IQ score, and starcraft races.

Tell me SClegacy.

Your choices can be influenced by your cultural background, orientations, etc. If so, this is due to the affects you have associated with externals. No one is absolutely free from influence, but we can keep an open mind.

To answer your question directly, yes, there is a connection only if you think there is.

But if you had asked, "I wonder if there's a connexion between sexual orientation, religious affiliation, nationality, IQ score, and starcraft race preference?" then if the answer was a yes or even no, we need to ask further, how so?

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Originally Posted by B~E

I wonder if there's a connexion between sexual orientation, religious affiliation, nationality, IQ score, and starcraft races.

Tell me SClegacy.

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Are you implying all Jews play Terran because of MULES?