Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
Hey guys, I'd appreciate if you would stop the Bill O'Reilly shit and cutting my words without the other parts.
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OK but yes, so their ammo boxes are smaller. So what, do I see any ammo boxes in any of the art or etc?! NO.
Sorry I did not make myself clear enough. How do you explain Marines in combat for more than 2 minutes? Sure they have their one clip but they obviously need a huge respetoire of ammunition if they are fighting zerg swarms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMOTrIjVao
Go to 0:42. The marine encounters two hydralisks and fires off for a few seconds. The video then shows his ammo count of "189" . Assuming his rifle was fully loaded before the counter, he had at least double the ammunition because he depletes it within seconds. So lets be nice and say he had 500.
He couldn't even rip off a bit of a hydralisk. So what the hell is 500 rounds going to do? Even if they have a couple of "boxes" attached to their suit, thats maybe 10 secs of battle. Maybe Terran Marine corps expect marines only to last 5 seconds but considering he's in a trench and in a line..I would expect him to last much longer than a marine on patrol...
And for the "childish remarks" I was trying to show how redundant arguments about Sci-Fi and what is and what isn't canon arguments. Little details in map editors and etc suddenly change the physical laws and forces of the StarCraft world.
Yes that map editor is not canon, but that enclosed flora building is in the original StarCraft editor.
Yeah a map has a rusty pit, maybe it was for stylistic choices, or they didnt want the platform to look like this pristine white Year 2500 Apple-Esque design platform. So suddenly we assume oxygen exists. Thats regular logic, but when dealing with this sci-fi crap - I think the people making the cinematics and etc really just care for aesthetics...
Another example...
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...neTrailer1.jpg
I'm pretty sure you all know what this is and where it's from. That monitor looks older than the Apple II shit I used in elementary. I realize CRT tubes last longer than LCDs..but its the year 2500 and they switched back to CRT?....
OKAY....
OR ... the cinematic artists wanted a "Sanitary but grungy terran looking feel" for the Marine-Ready room (I remember reading this somewhere..). What would fit better, some pristine Minority Report hologram screen or some yellow CRT screen?
http://www.boxofmovies.com/wp-conten...-report-ui.jpg
Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
I think that the marines have reserve clips stored inside their huge shoulders, which seamed to have an empty space. Judging by the size of them they could easily store atleast 10 clips in both shoulders together, which could be more than 5000 rounds-spikes.
And judging from their combat live expectancy(which is realy low), they probaly don't need mroe than that.^^
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hyde
Yeah a map has a rusty pit, maybe it was for stylistic choices, or they didnt want the platform to look like this pristine white Year 2500 Apple-Esque design platform. So suddenly we assume oxygen exists. Thats regular logic, but when dealing with this sci-fi crap - I think the people making the cinematics and etc really just care for aesthetics...
Then you obviously have no argument with enclosed flora on the Space Platform considering for all you know, it is just a stylistic, aesthetic choice, rather than denoting a lack of atmosphere on the platform itself. To the old argument, for all you know, there has never been a marine depicted in "deep space." But considering the Space Platform is only one map out of the multitudes of others, we can ascertain most of the time that there is not "leak" in the armor due to space.
In all actuality, space is not as dangerous as people assume anyhow. The pressure difference between a spatial vacuum with the pressure of a livable area (ergo atmosphere) is not as high as a pressurized canister and regular atmosphere. So there is no explosive decompression or automatic death to the marine anyhow.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970603.html
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Uhmm... being realist, the Marines would carry extra clips (inside the shoulder pads, as already said), and the ammo counter on the BW rifle has 3 digits! If they need still more ammo, a vehicle can carry it, they can air-drop it, or whatever. And if they're fighting against a huge swarm, hopefully they have some kind of support, or they will die fairly quickly, probably without even spending all the ammo.
Basically, the weapon is a machinegun capable of uninterrupted fire as long as there is any ammo left (that's judging by the BW intro). I don't know if we have anything like that today, i think that only gatling-style autocannons can shoot that way.
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Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
c-14 is scheduled for controlled burst shot to save ammunition according to the manual
Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
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Kacaier
Then you obviously have no argument with enclosed flora on the Space Platform considering ........
That was my point the entire time, I just couldn't think of a nice way to put it.
My point is, this discussion is trivial and no one really has grounds on anything.
Hell Christ Metzen can come walk in on us and ret-conn the entire universe and say Kerrigan was a brunette. Like what they did to Nova.
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Kacaier
In all actuality, space is not as dangerous as people assume anyhow. The pressure difference between a spatial vacuum with the pressure of a livable area (ergo atmosphere) is not as high as a pressurized canister and regular atmosphere. So there is no explosive decompression or automatic death to the marine anyhow.
No offence, but you are trying way too hard.
The temperature in space is 2.725 Kelvin. That's almost absolute zero. Like -270C/-455F.
I never said you would explode in space, but I'm pretty sure the oxygen supply would be whisked away by the vaccuum effect - that's if your core body temperature doesn't freeze below 0.
Ok I've experienced -50Celcius weather, I don't think you could last more than a minute in -200Celcius.
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hyde
I just couldn't Like what they did to Nova.
what?when?how?:confused:
Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
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hyde
No offence, but you are trying way too hard.
The temperature in space is 2.725 Kelvin. That's almost absolute zero. Like -270C/-455F.
I never said you would explode in space, but I'm pretty sure the oxygen supply would be whisked away by the vaccuum effect - that's if your core body temperature doesn't freeze below 0.
No offense, but I don't think you're trying hard enough. ;)
Basic science 101, how does heat transmit? I'll give you the three only ways: Conduction, convection, and radiation. Now, considering space is an empty void, there's obviously not much to conduct or convect heat to. So our only option is radiation. Unfortunately, we are not stellar objects. The amount of heat we emit via radiation is extremely low. I'd love to see you prove me wrong on that.
And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.
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Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
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drakolobo
c-14 is scheduled for controlled burst shot to save ammunition according to the manual
Inonsistent lore. That's the in-game justification for the cooldown. Did you seen BW's intro cinematic?
Also, when fighting against so much foes, it's better to have full auto. You don't really have to aim the weapon if there are a several waves of Zerglings next to each other ahead.
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Kacaier
And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.
Yeah, but a shot in space? Won't you bleed to death really quick for the pressure difference anyways?
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Kacaier
No offense, but I don't think you're trying hard enough. ;)
Basic science 101, how does heat transmit? I'll give you the three only ways: Conduction, convection, and radiation. Now, considering space is an empty void, there's obviously not much to conduct or convect heat to. So our only option is radiation. Unfortunately, we are not stellar objects. The amount of heat we emit via radiation is extremely low. I'd love to see you prove me wrong on that.
And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.
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No thanks. I'm a finance major, not a science student. I didn't even take biology. You win the science battle.
And for the record, I never said you'd get some gruesome death. I said your suit could get compromised and it'd be over for you.
But one can only imagine how marines suffer the injuries in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure a melee encounter with a hydralisk/zealot/ or having C-14 Spikes impaling your suit would screw up the systems pretty fast. It looks like the marine suit has some sort of exhaust system or something on the back side, pretty sure thats a critical spot on the suit.
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drakolobo
what?when?how?:confused:
Ok this is pissing me off. First people quoted or nailed me for things I said but deleting context or other important bits to my statements.
I was fine with that, the news does that to everyone.
But damn I didn't even say that =P. You misquoted me horribly and/or fabricating words for me ;)
They changed Nova from a redhead to a blonde revlon commercial girl. But then they just axed her entire game, so I suppose it beared no real effect in the end.
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Inonsistent lore. That's the in-game justification for the cooldown. Did you seen BW's intro cinematic?
the c14 could have several shooting modes, plus you should not underestimate these bursts, given that fires 30 bullets per second, if the burst lasts three seconds would be 90 bullets scattered by the turn of the wrist, also gives the possibility to focus the target, the bullets in a war must be seized
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And for the "childish remarks" I was trying to show how redundant arguments about Sci-Fi and what is and what isn't canon arguments.
Oh, so is that it? You waltz in here with some stupid examples just to give us the message that all this is redundant? So what's the point of telling us that? That we shouldn't bother debating about it? That we somehow don't find interest or fun in the discussion? Get real, or get lost.
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Pandonetho
Oh, so is that it? You waltz in here with some stupid examples just to give us the message that all this is redundant? So what's the point of telling us that? That we shouldn't bother debating about it? That we somehow don't find interest or fun in the discussion? Get real, or get lost.
Are you offended? My sincere apologies then.
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My examples are hardly stupid, they have just as much merit as the other examples.
Canon or Game Material has evidence or existence of X,Y,Z.
Inference A,B,C can be logically deducted from the evidence of X,Y,Z.
Like the rust pits someone pointed out. So oxygen must exist on the space platforms.
I just wanted to voice out my opinion that even the writing team probably has trouble keeping consistency within their world, by pointing out the ease of deducting huge amounts of factual evidence simply by a little tree-building on a space platform. Especially in a world that is 'WarCraft in Space'.
But I seem hardly welcomed here, so I guess I'll just "Waltz on out".
Peace. :)
Re: How is a person supposed to fit into a CMC suit?
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drakolobo
the c14 could have several shooting modes, plus you should not underestimate these bursts, given that fires 30 bullets per second, if the burst lasts three seconds would be 90 bullets scattered by the turn of the wrist, also gives the possibility to focus the target, the bullets in a war must be seized
30 bullets per second? At that rate, your clip isn't going to last much. Wouldn't it be a 3 round burst, or X round burst?
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"Steel-tipped infantry slugs tore from the muzzle of the gauss automatic rifle at thirty rounds per second."
StarCraft: Speed of Darkness
that is the rate of fire given by the author, there could only be an indication of speed ,as three round burst, or X round burst is more logical
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Why has't any pointed out the possibiliy of choosing whether to use the burst option or not. Most weapons have that, as far I know. (I rememeber some CS weapons at least with the possibility. ;P)
That would answer the BW intro cinematic "inconsistence"
And Marines might temper with the amount of bullets fired per second, when modifying their rifles, which there are many like, but who is theirs only. ;P
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drakolobo
"Steel-tipped infantry slugs tore from the muzzle of the gauss automatic rifle at thirty rounds per second."
StarCraft: Speed of Darkness
that is the rate of fire given by the author, there could only be an indication of speed ,as three round burst, or X round burst is more logical
Now that i think about it, the M-16 can shoot almost 16 rounds per second (well, the full-auto model only, and not for very long). So, to be a future gauss weapon with a 3-digit bullet counter, 30 full-auto doesn't seems that unreasonable, if the situation calls for it. They probably use burst mode in most situations, however.
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Kacaier
No offense, but I don't think you're trying hard enough. ;)
Basic science 101, how does heat transmit? I'll give you the three only ways: Conduction, convection, and radiation. Now, considering space is an empty void, there's obviously not much to conduct or convect heat to. So our only option is radiation. Unfortunately, we are not stellar objects. The amount of heat we emit via radiation is extremely low. I'd love to see you prove me wrong on that.
And on the oxygen effect, that is true. But there is no explosion, freezing to death, or any other gruesome instantaneous death. Your main poison in outer space is suffocation. And that's easily solved by keeping the oxygen recycling contained to the head section of the suit. A breech to the head equals a dead man anyhow.
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While it is true that exposure to the vacuum of space wouldn't cause a person to explode, it will cause someone's blood to boil due to lack of pressure. They've seen that in old Soviet space accidents. So you'd probably die of your blood boiling before you could die of suffocation. Either way, it wouldn't be a nice way to die.
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Hellgrinder
While it is true that exposure to the vacuum of space wouldn't cause a person to explode, it will cause someone's blood to boil due to lack of pressure. They've seen that in old Soviet space accidents. So you'd probably die of your blood boiling before you could die of suffocation. Either way, it wouldn't be a nice way to die.
I know you may be sure of this, but I know the accident you're referencing. None of the cosmonauts exposed to the vacuum actually had their blood boiled. While blood OUTSIDE of the body will boil easily, you still have a layer of skin protecting your internal fluids from lower pressure. You will bloat a lot, but your blood won't boil.
This one is more people friendly in light reading than my previous link:
http://www.damninteresting.com/outer-space-exposure
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Hellgrinder
Either way, it wouldn't be a nice way to die.
You would go unconsius in around 10-20 seconds, so its not that bad a way to die...
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Equiliari
You would go unconsius in around 10-20 seconds, so its not that bad a way to die...
I prefer to be on the very impact point of a Nuke, or really, any sufficiently powerful explosive to dissapear in a matter of milliseconds. Probably you don't even know you died :p
