Tested Patch Changes

So I tested the new ultralisk... and while they do better against roaches, Marauders still annhilate them, with or without kiting. Though kiting does mean you can probably get away untouched.

The matchup I made was 1 Ultra vs 4 Marauders... without kiting about 3 survive with half health.. with kiting 3 survive with pretty much full health..

Note: also found that overseer can only cast one infested terran even with full mana... it's pretty lame.. economy harasses are not likely unless you mass overseers and have them use many infested terrans.. but if you run your economy away, infested terrans are too slow to catch up...

frenzy is kind of cool..? overseer contaminate is definitely a better use of mana.. shield being destoryed by massive units was also cool

Why not just remove Zerg? Why beat around the bush?

Because beating bushes is fun!

I prefer beating myself off.

Infested Terran is a risk free drop harass, stop complaining it's under powered.

To clarify: I wasn't only talking about Infested Terran. I know you were talking to TC but just wanted to say this.

Keyword, harass... probes kill it easily. Not much of a harass.

They need to make it so it spawns 2 infested terrans.

Marauders just need to have their slow removed. God damn it's one of the dumbest RTS skills I've ever see.

If it's not for harassment, neither for scouting, it's only to take up some space. They could have just added an ability that increases the detection radius of the overseer over some time for N energy.

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Originally Posted by GnaReffotsirk

If it's not for harassment, neither for scouting, it's only to take up some space. They could have just added an ability that increases the detection radius of the overseer over some time for N energy.

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Which I think would have been much better... some ability that increases site range is awesome on a unit like the overseer.

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Originally Posted by Wankey

Keyword, harass... probes kill it easily. Not much of a harass.

They need to make it so it spawns 2 infested terrans.

Marauders just need to have their slow removed. God damn it's one of the dumbest RTS skills I've ever see.

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The slow isn't the problem. It would be great if the Marauder was a support unit, as it should be. But the Marauder is just too good a primary attack unit as well. That's what needs to change.

sure it isnt that effective but an annoying IT dropping and killing 1 or 2 workers is worth it already, even making them pull off for 5 seconds for just a mere 125 energy is worth it.

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Originally Posted by Baneling

Which I think would have been much better... some ability that increases site range is awesome on a unit like the overseer.

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Indeed. Choosing then between sending changelings vs saving up energy to keep the overseer safe while increasing detection vs cloaked could have meant so much more.

More than love even.

Group hug?

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

The slow isn't the problem. It would be great if the Marauder was a support unit, as it should be. But the Marauder is just too good a primary attack unit as well. That's what needs to change.

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Agreed. A reduction in damage is all the maruader needs... why not do this? Reducing its range makes it a lot like the roach ... reducing its hp loses that support unit flair....

Seriously a small reduction in damage is all that is needed....

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Originally Posted by Baneling

reducing its hp loses that support unit flair....

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You mean meatshield?

He meant massable tanks.

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Originally Posted by Baneling

Agreed. A reduction in damage is all the maruader needs... why not do this? Reducing its range makes it a lot like the roach ... reducing its hp loses that support unit flair....

Seriously a small reduction in damage is all that is needed....

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Agreed, I currently build marauders as support and I keep forgetting a force by themselves are amazingly powerful as well.

They just need to have 100 health. Attack speed to 1.75s or even 2 seconds (one second per arm) I dunno why they aren't nerfed like that.

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Originally Posted by TychusFindlay

You mean meatshield?

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Sort of... I just mean its higher HP and slow makes it a friend of any other early terran ground unit ... either the marine or the hellion. Wouldn't it be nice to see more of both of those with maybe half the number of marauders

Well if the issue is specifically Ultras

Simple solution=make Ultras non-armored.... if they are meant to counter armored units like Tanks (in tank mode), Marauders, Stalkers, then they need to be able to Reach them...
That would make the counter to Ultras

Air units

Light units that do normal damage (Hydras, DT, Archons, Marines*, Zeaots*, Zerglings*)
Immortals (because Ultras can't do full damage to them....taking 15 hits to kill one)
High-range high-normal DPS units (Thors, with ability, Siege Tanks)

*These would not counter ultras that had the +2 armor upgrade

So that would be my change for Ultras, no 'armor type', maybe add an upgrade giving them the T1 Roach ability to heal faster while burrowed.

As for Infested Terrans/Corruption, I think that they may need their costs switched
(Infested Terran for 75, Corruption for 125) Or increase the duration of Ifested Terran and decrease that of Corruption

Infested Terran removed from the game.

New ability added to Overseer 'Shinigami eyes' (Or whatever BS name)
Allows the overseer to bestow a target zerg unit with a temporary sight range (comparable to Xel'naga watch tower) increase in addition to gaining detection for the decided duration.


Just an idea.. Feel free to flame it, I am not a game designer for a reason.. =P

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Originally Posted by Baneling

Agreed. A reduction in damage is all the maruader needs... why not do this? Reducing its range makes it a lot like the roach ... reducing its hp loses that support unit flair....

Seriously a small reduction in damage is all that is needed....

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But a reduction in base damage or in bonus damage????

Base. Make em more vulnerable to light units.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

Base. Make em more vulnerable to light units.

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agreed.

I think an interesting mechanic for the Overseer would be an upgrade that allows it to increase its sight and detection radii by 50% when not moving. I've seen similar mechanics in other games, and it works out quite nicely. I'd probably make it Hive level.

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

I prefer beating myself off.

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Eeeeeeeew stop turning my comments into sexual innuendos. Your just like Shakespeare.

You guys are able to play? I just updated and the game keeps saying bnet is down..

They are just trying to put Infested Terrans someway in the game. They made a really big design based balance flaw.

Idea: Remove Infested Terran, add parasite to Overseer.

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Originally Posted by WhoamI

Idea: Remove Infested Terran, add parasite to Overseer.

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This. I think parasite could work wonders in this game. I mean we have the glorified arbiter, i think we can add another useful spell from the old game.