Psi Storm....

Can someone tell me if sigh storm is actually useful in sc2 no matter what unit i spam it on it doesnt seem to make a difference. Even against lings it doesnt matter if theres a large amount of them.

I try to use sigh storm on roaches while i my zeas handle the zergs meat shield and did barly anything to them and both zergs and roaches slaughtered my zeas/stalkers/immortals

Round 2 he switched to mass hydras and i tried again and didnt work so well

I tried this against a terran who went MMM and all i did was kill some marines and the mauraders just slaughtered everything

Am i just unlucky? Bad? or is sigh storm really useless in sc2?

PS well aware i call it Sigh Storm cause im disappointed with it atm

First off, it's spelled "Psi Storm" not "Sigh Storm".

Psi Storm is only ineffective if your opponent moves out of the way. You have to trap your opponent by either:
1) Going on the offensive, so that your opponent's back is against the wall and that retreat is not an option. Works perfectly against people who camp their army in their natural expo or somesuch.
2) Trap with Force Fields.
3) Flank.

Psi Storm also has critical mass. If you saturate the battlefield with enough psi storms at the same time then your opponent's army will get hit no matter which way he tries to run, especially in SC2 where units clump up more.


But from what I hear, it's apparently more cost-effective to make Colossi for your ground-damage-dealing.

Psi Storm is a bit hard to use, I tried to use it but wasn't great effect.

Dunno why they nerfed psi storm. IT was a great spell, but wiht the range decrease it's a lot harder to use especially Air units which completely screw up things.

Zeas are called Zealots.

Psi Storm is great. Because it gets paired with feedback. I use lots of High Templar in both PvZ and PvT

Feedback the Medevacs, Storm the Marauders.
Feedback the Overseers, Storm the Hydralisks.
Feedback the Infestors, Storm the Roaches.
Feedback the Banshees, Storm the Vikings.

And let your mass of Zealots mop up.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

First off, it's spelled "Psi Storm" not "Sigh Storm".

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wow that made me lol.

I manly use psi storm to protect the choke leading into my base, I find it works quite effectively there.

Anyone got any replays i can study for psi use?

I posted two decent Storm replays here. Im not sure if the first game has Storm, it was more to showcase Zealot/Sentry, but the game on Scrap Station has good Storms.

http://sclegacy.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=10

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Dunno why they nerfed psi storm.

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Smartcast?

whats smartcast?

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Originally Posted by Gradius

First off, it's spelled "Psi Storm" not "Sigh Storm".

Psi Storm is only ineffective if your opponent moves out of the way. You have to trap your opponent by either:
1) Going on the offensive, so that your opponent's back is against the wall and that retreat is not an option. Works perfectly against people who camp their army in their natural expo or somesuch.
2) Trap with Force Fields.
3) Flank.

Psi Storm also has critical mass. If you saturate the battlefield with enough psi storms at the same time then your opponent's army will get hit no matter which way he tries to run, especially in SC2 where units clump up more.


But from what I hear, it's apparently more cost-effective to make Colossi for your ground-damage-dealing.

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I'd say Collosi vs T and HT vs Z. Why? Infestors.

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Originally Posted by Woland

I'd say Collosi vs T and HT vs Z. Why? Infestors.

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I second that :D

Here is an example of how Colossi work vs T, although marauders were curiously absent in this build. EMP affected them to a lesser extent.

This guy is 19th in Platinum, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Woland

I'd say Collosi vs T and HT vs Z. Why? Infestors.

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Blink or FF from the Colossus or immortals will fry infestors.

HTs are basically 150 gas for 80 damage. Colossus are 200 gas for at least 30 damage every second. Plus, robo opens up observers and immortals. I can't think of a single situation where I'd want to go templar over robotics.

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Originally Posted by 0mar

Blink or FF from the Colossus or immortals will fry infestors.

HTs are basically 150 gas for 80 damage. Colossus are 200 gas for at least 30 damage every second. Plus, robo opens up observers and immortals. I can't think of a single situation where I'd want to go templar over robotics.

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When your opponent has air or lots of anti-armor units is a good start.

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Originally Posted by Drkie

whats smartcast?

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The new spellcasting UI - when you grab multiple spellcasters of the same type, and cast a spell, (like psi storm) now, only the nearest unit to the target will cast. - Actually, its not really new, it was in WC3 as well.

purty handy :)


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You'd think the damage nerf was enough...

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Originally Posted by DemolitionSquid

When your opponent has air or lots of anti-armor units is a good start.

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If he has air and a working mouse, you'll never hit him with storm anyways. Anti-armor against colossus is a moot point because the colossus has a ton of HP and great range. You should have a big meatshield in front of it. If it gets flanked, you can easily micro it back.

Getting templar is more gas intensive than colossus.

From cyber core to colossus is 200/100 (robo) + 200/200 (bay) + 300/200 (colossus) = 800/500.

From cyber to storm is 150/100 (council) + 150/200 (archives) + 200/200 (storm) + 50/150 = 550/650.

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Originally Posted by Gradius

First off, it's spelled "Psi Storm" not "Sigh Storm".

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Ohhh maybe he meant Sight storm, which is the main power of the Sword of Omen. HOoooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by 0mar

If he has air and a working mouse, you'll never hit him with storm anyways.

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I mentioned in another thread that the thing which makes Psi Storm great is its currently paired with Feedback. The only Terran air unit that isn't affected by Feedback is the Viking, and I can assure you its slow enough to make Psi Storm perfectly viable against it. I use it all the time. Templar utterly rape Terran air.

But it doesn't stop there. After you've used Feedback on their Medevacs, Terran Infantry die in DROVES to Psi Storm. Hold em in place with a few Force Fields or Zealots and its GG Marauders. If you have an Observer out, you can feedback his Ghosts before he EMPs you.

But what about Mech? Feedback hits a Thor for 200 damage. And Psi Storm crushes Siege Tanks.

Lastly, Templar are spawned from the Gateway/Warpgate. The cheapest production building. You can bring Templar into battle anytime with Warp-In. You avoid trying to focus on multiple tech paths.

Simply put, Templar are a FANTASTIC addition to your army in PvT. Yes, they're a bit more expensive than Colossi. But they're also far more versatile.

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Originally Posted by 0mar

Anti-armor against colossus is a moot point because the colossus has a ton of HP and great range. You should have a big meatshield in front of it. If it gets flanked, you can easily micro it back.

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All good points. But the Colossus is also completely useless versus air, and takes much longer to build.

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Originally Posted by 0mar

Getting templar is more gas intensive than colossus.

From cyber core to colossus is 200/100 (robo) + 200/200 (bay) + 300/200 (colossus) = 800/500.

From cyber to storm is 150/100 (council) + 150/200 (archives) + 200/200 (storm) + 50/150 = 550/650.

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Again true. Of course for that "great" range you said the Colossus has you need to pay another 200/200.

Anyway, with the minerals you saved getting Templar you could build two more warp-gates. Which you could then use to instantly reinforce.

Just so we're clear, I'm not saying Templar are outright better than Colossi.
I'm saying they're just as viable in many circumstances.

I think the reason why templar are less popular is because of the introduction of sentries; unless typical stalker heavy builds, the importance of forcefields and (what I like to call) shield bubbles significantly reduces amount of gas you have stockpiled by the time you hit templar tech.

Two other reasons: robotics facilities contains the heaviest hitting P units, which are on balance more important and also gas intensive. Plus, you NEED observers in all match-ups.

Finally, splitting DT and HT tech. You see a lot less usage because DTs require less micro--you can macro more by attack moving with a large protoss fleet with shield-bubbles on, do a bit of force fielding, and it's done. With HT, you need to proactively feedback, storm, etc.

Also, of course storm range/damage nerf...(Damage WAS nerfed right?)

No, damage is still the same. The radius AoE was decreased.

HT are good but they're too situational, I find. Demosquid, admit that you're successful with HT because the Terrans you play either cannot use ghost effectively, or just don't go ghost at all. Better Terrans in high Gold and Platinum players have much better control and reaction time, and their use of EMP is more accurate and thus more deadly. You could perhaps get 1 storm out but you'd have no Guardian shield and no followup storm or feedback. Even if you spot the ghost with observers, they're behind the Terran army, and stimmed marauders just need 1 volley on the front line to mess up the AI and get your HT to move back and forth while trying to unleash a storm/feedback (whose range is smaller than EMP btw), and the ghosts just EMP the front lines. The Marauders then just surge forward and melt half of your force and you're force to run back with maybe 1 storm that does shit do Marauder HP and Medivacs healing...

I'm just saying that using HT is much much harder than u think in PvT because of the range discrepancy between Feedback and EMP. And you cannot afford to waste storms or those Slow/Stim upgraded marauders will eat your army alive. It's kinda like using reaver/sair vs hydras in PvZ in BW. There both players needed really good control and macro skills to pull off those strategies. At lower skill levels, Reaver/Sair was too risky. You lose that 1 reaver or a few sairs, and you're immediately overrun by mass hydraling.


It's just an analogy to the current SC2 PvT matchup where it is relatively easier to micro a Terran with Mara/Ghost/Medvac than Zeal/stalker/sentry/HT.

I'm not saying that HT is bad either, just that it requires a high level of control vs good players.